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The Robbert.W.Allard Thread :)
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nope we are just limbering up!. Rick very kindly helped me get hold of some of this book - yay. so far i have read the first chapter which outlines a brief history of planet earth and the rise of life and plants. apparently the ability of plants to form a cuticle was paramount to them gaining a foothold on land and their subsequent diversification - it stopped them drying out when not in the water and obviously the iight energy is much higher on land as the sea absorbs a lot of light and the waves pass through it. the first 3 or 4 chapters are introductary and give a good recap of the basics, then it starts to get juicy by the looks of the contents
i think rik has read some too so he may like to chime in. please stick around GItT - we are gonna need you
V.
i think rik has read some too so he may like to chime in. please stick around GItT - we are gonna need you
V.
yehhh,,,,i was left a lil limp.......
the preface is ovious,!!!!!,,,,,,
chapter 1 is like 1 big recap!!,,,,,,an explanation of the planets without my main man einstein had me feelin bad,,,,it has nothin about light source, wavelenght or gravity,,,,,it was pretty weak imo,,,i acutaly got tired of reading the word DARWIN,,,,,,,,,,,,DARWIN,,,,,,,,,,DARWIN EVOLOUTION,,,,,,geeez,,,,,makes me wonder who Allards hero was
how the heck did Alard miss out details on the sun as a light source i dont know,,,,,just seemed silly to me
.......the preface is ovious,!!!!!,,,,,,
chapter 1 is like 1 big recap!!,,,,,,an explanation of the planets without my main man einstein had me feelin bad,,,,it has nothin about light source, wavelenght or gravity,,,,,it was pretty weak imo,,,i acutaly got tired of reading the word DARWIN,,,,,,,,,,,,DARWIN,,,,,,,,,,DARWIN EVOLOUTION,,,,,,geeez,,,,,makes me wonder who Allards hero was
how the heck did Alard miss out details on the sun as a light source i dont know,,,,,just seemed silly to me
how are you connecting special relativity to this rick? (he asks with a deep sense of foreboding )
i can see that light is important to plants but not quite sure how it relates to the genietics and breeding bit.... i suppose epigenetics but this is the intro section of the book after all
V.
)i can see that light is important to plants but not quite sure how it relates to the genietics and breeding bit.... i suppose epigenetics but this is the intro section of the book after all
V.
its a wave thing,,,,,,
growing in the sun outdoors is incomparable to growing in a niche enviroment with a hps, the tent and the sun may aswell be in 2 seperate dimentions,,,,,
imo i just think:,, Alard seems to be showing a lack of concern with the indoor aspects of plant breeding,,,,,
,,,,,,growing in the sun outdoors is incomparable to growing in a niche enviroment with a hps, the tent and the sun may aswell be in 2 seperate dimentions,,,,,
imo i just think:,, Alard seems to be showing a lack of concern with the indoor aspects of plant breeding,,,,,
Seriously Rick?
No one breeds legal plants indoors. Have you seen vineyards and corn crops in warehouses? Don't fucking think so.
And for some reason you want a breeding text to be concerned with gravity? Einstein has jack shit to do with genetics, Darwin is our man. Stay focused and out of your n dimensional haze and you might LEARN something from this exercise in futility.
No one breeds legal plants indoors. Have you seen vineyards and corn crops in warehouses? Don't fucking think so.
And for some reason you want a breeding text to be concerned with gravity? Einstein has jack shit to do with genetics, Darwin is our man. Stay focused and out of your n dimensional haze and you might LEARN something from this exercise in futility.
I can turn a blind eye,,,,,but i think its wrong,,,its plant breeding basics with a total neglect for lightsource, CRI ,,,Wave,,,everything is just taken for granted,,,,not my style......but i can turn a blind eye,,,
ok,,,,,page 16,,,,
point 2........"""some repoductive systems especialy selfing and vegitive repoduction, provide opertunities for rapid generation of novel superior genotypes,,,,,"""
ok,,,,,,so here is my opertunity to make indoor hybrids,,,,right?
page 20,,,,cleistogamy inhibits desiccation of anthers and stigma, thus promoting full-seed-set by self polination,,,,,yet brief periods when flowers are open allow hybridization to occur, especialy between close neighbors in the same population, genetic segragation in the first few generations following sutch hybridization quickly generate novel true-breeding [homozygous] genotypes, and at the same time predominsant selfing ensures that sutch supirior genotypes will not quickly be lost as a result of segregation when hybridization occures
SIMPLE!!
SELF,,,,SELF OUTCROSS,,,,EASY,,,,,,,,
its seems to me ,, THE MAGIC of IS in the SELFING AND SEGREGATION of new supirior genotypes,,,,,,,,,,,,,sounds good to me
sounds to me like "high adaptivness" is basicly a wickid acoplishment of self-fertilizing crops,,,,,,,,,,,,
selfing ensures that sutch supirior genotypes will not quickly be lost as a result of segregation when hybridization occures
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THIS JUTS SAYS IT ALL
ps,,,,im still pissed off about the sun,,,,the colour and wave of light is of major importance to me,,,,,,
I WONDER WHAT ALLARD WOULD THINK TO THE NEW LED LIGHTS im currently building for my new tomhilllseeds ,,,,,got X18 comin-soon init,,,,,,hmmmmmm
point 2........"""some repoductive systems especialy selfing and vegitive repoduction, provide opertunities for rapid generation of novel superior genotypes,,,,,"""
ok,,,,,,so here is my opertunity to make indoor hybrids,,,,right?
page 20,,,,cleistogamy inhibits desiccation of anthers and stigma, thus promoting full-seed-set by self polination,,,,,yet brief periods when flowers are open allow hybridization to occur, especialy between close neighbors in the same population, genetic segragation in the first few generations following sutch hybridization quickly generate novel true-breeding [homozygous] genotypes, and at the same time predominsant selfing ensures that sutch supirior genotypes will not quickly be lost as a result of segregation when hybridization occures
SIMPLE!!
SELF,,,,SELF OUTCROSS,,,,EASY,,,
,,,,,its seems to me ,, THE MAGIC of IS in the SELFING AND SEGREGATION of new supirior genotypes,,,,
,,,,,,,,,sounds good to mesounds to me like "high adaptivness" is basicly a wickid acoplishment of self-fertilizing crops,,,,,,,,,,,,
selfing ensures that sutch supirior genotypes will not quickly be lost as a result of segregation when hybridization occures
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS JUTS SAYS IT ALL
ps,,,,im still pissed off about the sun,,,,the colour and wave of light is of major importance to me,,,,,,
I WONDER WHAT ALLARD WOULD THINK TO THE NEW LED LIGHTS im currently building for my new tomhilllseeds ,,,,,got X18 comin-soon init,,,,,,hmmmmmm
chemsteady
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class is in!
class is in!
nice, guys. ill be in the back trying not to get called upon...
ok, teach me...(all of you!)
~c
class is in!
nice, guys. ill be in the back trying not to get called upon...
ok, teach me...(all of you!)
~c
hi all, ive read the second chapter too. the quotes rick cites are allard talking about the occasional natural hybridisation of self fertilising species.
the chapter is about the rise of agriculture and how the human race moved from being gatherers to farmers. from making use of naturally occuring food plants to influencing the evolution of the food plants by selection and agricultural methods. allard says that certain plants (wheat, corn etc) were predisposed to be suitable for agriculture and improvement.
there are 5 chapters in the introductary topics and then it moves forward to the foundations of plant breeding.
V.
the chapter is about the rise of agriculture and how the human race moved from being gatherers to farmers. from making use of naturally occuring food plants to influencing the evolution of the food plants by selection and agricultural methods. allard says that certain plants (wheat, corn etc) were predisposed to be suitable for agriculture and improvement.
there are 5 chapters in the introductary topics and then it moves forward to the foundations of plant breeding.
V.
sorry,,,
your absoloutly right V,,,,,i was just focusing on my own intrests,,,that was very single minded of me,,,,my mistake
but what IS actualy worth QUOTING,,,,,,i tryed to pull the best bits......did you find anything of massive importance to your plant studies and breeding projects,,,,,i found most of it to be simple stuff,,,,"as of yet",,,im sure its gona get coplicated real quick real soon
"quantivive trait markers" will send us loco bro,,,"i bet"
everythin cool wiv you V this fine lookin mornin?,,,,ive pulled another all nighter [again]
your absoloutly right V,,,,,i was just focusing on my own intrests,,,that was very single minded of me
,,,,my mistakebut what IS actualy worth QUOTING,,,,,,i tryed to pull the best bits......did you find anything of massive importance to your plant studies and breeding projects,,,,,i found most of it to be simple stuff,,,,"as of yet",,,im sure its gona get coplicated real quick real soon
"quantivive trait markers" will send us loco bro,,,"i bet"
everythin cool wiv you V this fine lookin mornin?,,,,ive pulled another all nighter [again]
yes not bad rick thanks - my days of all-nighters are long gone - and to think i used to do it once or twice a week when i was a DJ it kills me for a week now
anyway, allard is talking about predominanty self pollinating species being useful for domestication because farmer who saved desirable individuals for the next crop would find that they often retained the same traits.
i think in the case of cannabis we are talking about a predominantly outcrossing species so saving seeds would be less likely to give the results one wants in the short term - depending on the outcross.
so what you say above is pretty relevent rick as far as i understand it - i guess you self cannabis if you want to keep traits that are already present and outcross it in order to bring new combinations ot traits or attempt to combine the traits of two strains.
this is where we need some expert input
V.
it kills me for a week now anyway, allard is talking about predominanty self pollinating species being useful for domestication because farmer who saved desirable individuals for the next crop would find that they often retained the same traits.
i think in the case of cannabis we are talking about a predominantly outcrossing species so saving seeds would be less likely to give the results one wants in the short term - depending on the outcross.
so what you say above is pretty relevent rick as far as i understand it - i guess you self cannabis if you want to keep traits that are already present and outcross it in order to bring new combinations ot traits or attempt to combine the traits of two strains.
this is where we need some expert input
V.
expert imput indeed
what JUMPS OUT to me is:::::the way he talks about self polinating species being extreemly adaptable,,,,an how them self polinating species work towards homozygote genepairs by mating with themsevs,,,,,,,,,, i love the way he explains how "supirior traits" seem to pop-up around every corner
yes, he mentions rye, an outbreeder, saying that it came into cultivation relatively late.
the flipside of self pollinating species adapting quickly is outcrossers or outbreeders (like cannabis) adapt slowly? - but probably become specialised less quickly too.
the flipside of self pollinating species adapting quickly is outcrossers or outbreeders (like cannabis) adapt slowly? - but probably become specialised less quickly too.
doing good guys.
T.Baggins
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absolutely!
Burbank was an extraordinary human that had a relationship and understanding of plants that was/is unrivaled...
his books, How Plants Are Trained to Work for Man, Harvest of the Years, Partner of Nature, and His Methods and Discoveries and Their Practical Application should be required reading for all that are interested..
i cant believe this ^^^^ is all you have to say about chapter 2 an the quotes i pulled outa it
your allways sutch a chatter box G
,,,,,,,,whats going on
im gona rip chapter 3 to shreads later tonight,,,,,,,ive been sleepin all day,,,hahaha,,,,woke-up and put a cheese splif in my mouth,,,,back on the horse
