Changed organics

[Hammerhead]

I just recently found out that the PBP for soil is not 100% organic so I have changed to this. Should work very well.


Advanced Nutrients - Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom 4 Liter
Advanced Nutrients - Dr. Hornby's Sweet Leaf 4 Liter
American Agritech - Liquid Karma Gallon

 

[tejashidrow]

There is one ingredient in PBP (though that one ingrediant comes from the earth,) that one ingrediant is just NOT OMRI certified. Still a GREAT product..... PAX

 

[Mr Celsius]

There is one ingredient in PBP (though that one ingrediant comes from the earth,) that one ingrediant is just NOT OMRI certified. Still a GREAT product..... PAX

Really? What ingredient is that?

Fish meal, composted sea bird guano, sea kelp, spirulina, soybean protein extract, rock phosphate, potassium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, calcium carbonate, humic acid*, fulvic acid*, citric acid*, raw sugar cane*, Agrimineral 72 (silica clay extract)*, amino acids*, B-complex vitamins*, and select botanical plant extracts*.
*Non plant food ingredients

I use the stuff... its just not organic... works though

 

[Mr Celsius]

I just recently found out that the PBP for soil is not 100% organic so I have changed to this. Should work very well.


Advanced Nutrients - Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom 4 Liter
Advanced Nutrients - Dr. Hornby's Sweet Leaf 4 Liter
American Agritech - Liquid Karma Gallon

Hate to burst your bubble, but that shit isn't organic either... you see an OMRI label? You think Advanced Nutrients doesn't have the $1000 or less to get it OMRI listed? You think it wouldn't increase their sales?

Try Age old, some of the Earth Juice line or Pure Vida, they're all OMRI listed and actually organic.

 

[sophisto]

I have been working on my own FPE's for a while now and am trying to get it down so I can make my own nutrients similar too the Canna Bio line.... I'm close but not close enough to using my mixtures without some apprehension.. I only use these as additives along the way, not really as a food source...Foods in the soil...

However I am really curious about this Pura Vida line....Pretty cheap, Vegan, and 100% organic....For a couple extra boosts at the right times...

And Mr celcius hit the nail on the head....Stay clear of advanced unless you like paying high dollar, and are not concerned with the fact that it is not organic.....They are also in my opinion are not an ethical company....Any one who spends so much on advertising, can not be in it for the love of the plant.

 

[Hammerhead]

Hate to burst your bubble, but that shit isn't organic either... you see an OMRI label? You think Advanced Nutrients doesn't have the $1000 or less to get it OMRI listed? You think it wouldn't increase their sales?

No label but confirmed that is 100% organic

Did you even do any ivestigation on this before you poated that comment. A bit of adivise if your a tyring to debunk a product do some research before spreading false information.



I called them and spoke to there Tech. They just don't have the OMRI Label witch is fine as long as it's 100% organic. They assured me it was.
Dr. Hornby does it again with his brand new 100% all organic one part liquid Bloom nutrient that is fully soluble. Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice has been thoroughly field tested and proven to give exceptional yields.
Try Age old, some of the Earth Juice line or Pure Vida, they're all OMRI listed and actually organic. When put up against other competitors organic nutrients Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice clearly beat all of them hands down. Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice is a powerful blend of organics that produces optimal fruiting sites, induces a strong flowering response, bud formation, and encourages a short internode length and a beautiful fresh aromatic bouquet that only organics can produce. Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice contains a fish base from the super clean ice cold waters of the far North Pacific Ocean, plus over 70 minerals, krill extract, yucca extract, earthworm castings, seabird guano, bat guano, and alfalfa extract.



PBP WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT 100% ORGANIC. I called them as well and was told there is 1 ingediant that is not organic.

 

[swampdank]

Who cares!!??

Are we really going to argue this point again?? Geeeeze!

I bet 99% of the grows here on the organic forum are'nt truly 100 percent organic anyway. If you are arguing about bottled nutes, then maybe you should ask them if the bottle that the nutes are stored in is organic. How bout the pots you grow your plants in? Organic? Or are they some kind of petro-chemical product?

If you have your "shit" together, you wont be too much worried about bottled nutes in the first place.


TrueBlueberry in ammended Sunshine mix, no added nutes. Pure rainwater only.

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't care about all the trivial stuff everyone come up with That's out of my control I want what I pay for 100% organic. And Yes I care. If you don't care then don't grow organic.

 

[swampdank]

If I am not mistaken, Liquid Karma isnt 100% organic either.

I dont believe that Advanced Nutrients just didnt feel like getting an omri cert. With all of the advertising they do, it would be in their best interest to get it certified. But hey, if you wanna believe a salesman over the largest organic cannabis community in the world, more power to ya.

Good luck dude, we wish all the best.

 

[Hammerhead]

Your the only person that said iguana was not 100% ORGANIC im not talking about liquid karma. I will deal with that later. If you don't like a product don't use it. There are many of us that have had outstanding results using these products. I still don't understand what the hell crawled up your ass. Like I said don't use it if you don't like it. Or better yet go hydro. I take there advise daily but you are another story go smoke a big bowl and come down. Its not your grow now is it. Having said nothing I digress and will leave the rest to you.

 

[swampdank]

It's cool man. Good luck with your grow. The only reason I posted in this thread is beacuase I though it was kinda funny that you dropped PBP for AN garbage.

Have fun.

 

[Hammerhead]

I dont get it you say its garbage I have never herd anyone else say that. If you can point me to a post a paper something to substantiate your claims. I'm looking for 100% organic it does not have to be OMRI CERTIFIED it just needs to be organic. I have looked at the ingredients in Iguana and there pretty decent. PBP is decent as well but they have ingredients that are synthetic/not organic. So how can you say one is garbage and the other is not. Personally I love PBP but If I say I'm growing organic it has to be so Or someone like you would say your not growing organic your using PBP. You get my drift. This is what I was sent for LK. Unfortunately Liquid Karma cannot be certified as 100% organic under OMRI guidelines therefore it cannot be used in organic crop production. Our OMRI certified nutrient line is the Organicare line of nutrients and supplements which can be used for this purpose. In reality an organic nutrient does not have to be 100% organic to be used in organic crop production but it must meet the certifying bodies criteria. While there are no synthetic inputs in Liquid Karma it does not meet the criteria required. Let us know if you have further questions or concerns. So if I'M reading it right it is organic it just does not meet there criteria witch is fine by me. Anyway we will see if if it is crap. I'M Going to use it and post pics of my results. I pretty confident I can grow some very good meds with it. I know price is not a good way to measure products but PBP is cheaper.



If anyone has info regarding Iguana nutrients and can also say there crap I want to know. Everything I have read is good. I did not close my eyes and point to it. Any input from others would be helpful if it's crap I want to know.

 

[Suby]

The way I see it with organics you build the soil to get nutrients from using solid solid ammenments, compost and use teas as opposed to using a bottled fert that may or may not passed some obscure test.
On the flipside blood or bone meal is only as organic as the cattle it came from honestly, organics in plastic bottled being shipped worldwide is also debatable in the long run.
Get your soil healthy with the right ingredients like a quality compost, learn how to brew a proper tea, pick a bottle of humic acid and liquid seaweed and you'll be closer to real organics.
I've grown many crops with bottles, it's just where I am at right now, to each his or her own, don't let a lable sway your though process.

 

[Hammerhead]

I have a very stable Organic compost soil. I have FFOF+FFLW+SUNSHINE MIX@#2. All of this soil has Ben used composted and used again. I do not buy any soil I use all of what I posted in a compost. I try to do a perpetual harvest and add the nutrients as it's needed. Bone meal, Blood meal, Lime, Perlite. I have everything that is needed if there there is a diffency. I have never used any Tea's but will look into it. My concern was the claim that The organic nutrients I got where bad. If it is I want to know im sure everyone will understand. If it's someone that had bad results with it or herd his bothers friend herd from his friend that it's no good that's not fact I will make my own determination. I know what Orgainc is and will aalways gow like this. I do not care about the OMRI certification if it's organic thats all I cae about I can make it work very well if know te numbers.

 

[swampdank]

It sounds to me like you might have your grow under control man. If you have all the bases covered in your compost, I dont see the need to spend the dough. I have used the above mentioned products and I gotta say, I have waaaaaay Better results from making guano teas and a shot or two of Earth Juice(if needed)

The reference to AN being garbage is reaaly my opinoin of the company. Organic nutrients dont cost that much. I feel that they are preying on folks who want to jump on the organic horse, but dont have the time or knowledge to do it right.

Dude, if you have a good soil mix, adding extra particles to the soil will surely take fromm the flavor you are trying to achieve. Remember, we want to feed the soil. The soil likes compost tea. The soil does not care how much you spent, or what the sales/support staff tells you works in thier "lab".

If you must get a bottled nutrient, go with FF or EJ. Bubble it with a fistfull of compost for a day or so. (til the foam comes). Your plants will thank you.

 

[Suby]

PBP is not organic period, they have carbonate based ingredients which is no necessarily bad for your soil but is NOT good for certification.

Dr.Hornby`s is organic, I also despise AN as a company but their products do what they say albeit overpriced IMO.

Your 100% organic in by book because your using your soil as a base for nutrients, if 100% of your ferts came from a bottle then you would have missed the point when obviously your skilled with organics.

Not using teas is like robbing yourself of your soil's potential, I am not exagerating.

Congradulation on the soil recycling, your definately on the right path

 

[swampdank]

Well put Suby.

 

[Hammerhead]

This is what I will be using. I will look into A tea and add it to the line up. I can only go by what my plants tell me. I have been reusing my soil for over a year now. Sometimes I see A deficiency I can correct it within 24 hr's. I just need to learn Tea's I will give it a go. If I see a noticeable difference using it I will keep it in my line up.

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom 4 Liter
Dr. Hornby's Sweet Leaf 4 Liter
American Agritech - Liquid Karma Gallon


I have used PBP it worked OK I was not satisfied with the bud development. I also have Sensi CAL/MG bloom I did use this on one plant and it was massive.

 

[Suby]

When I ran PBPro with no dolomite I ran into Ca and Mg issues, that's why they make the Calmag from Botanicare IMO.
It makes sense because no calcium + shit buds, if your soil recycling try dolomite if you aren't already.
There is no doubt in my mind teas will make a difference, I see a difference with struggling plants overnight.
There are alot of tea recipies floating around, check my beer fridge link for the one I'm using lately.
You can brew a tea and add you ferts after.
Liquid Karma is the only bottle fert I use, I love it dearly

 

[Hammerhead]

I totally agree with you about the PBP it does not have the correct amount of lime to prevent these deficiency's and needs to be added. I do use lime but I have cal/mg on hand fro emergency's. There are other products that do the same but I have use it before in a pinch and it worked out great. I have already got the tea Super Tea Liquid Gallon and some budswel. Im going to check out your Fridge I will see what I like. I will be getting some of this Organic Cricket Poop Fertilizer it has a NPK of 4-2-2. I never here anyone use it looks good and like it more them bat shit.