WEED PRICES CRASH!!!!!!!!!!

[johnnyla]

dude, if you only grow for yourself, how are you paying $3000 per grow?

do you buy new equipment each time? are you renting out a whole nother house/apartment to grow in? you do know you can make most of that shit yourself from stuff you find at a fraction of the cost.

i could see $3000 costs for a midsize commercial grow, or the start up costs for a small commercial grow, but I haven't spent $3000 in a year on growing indoors, much less per grow.

Growing a pound every two months cost me less than $200 a cycle. That includes genetics, power usage, nutrients, and other expenses. Start up costs for my 2 flowering cabs and mother cab were less than $1200 for lights, containers, pumps, paint, fans, etc. That's way more bud than I need for nowhere near the money you're claiming it takes.

I'll sell an 8th to some frat kid for $60 or sell a quarter to the vet from the public garden with PTSD for the same amount. To be honest, the vet is better conversation, is probably more trustworthy and needs the stuff more. I'd much rather deal with him and make 50% less. I can still pay my rent, because I'm poor too, and it's enough to pay the low cost of my modest housing. What's the real reward for your work? Charging people ridiculous amounts or helping?

i never said per grow. owl seemed to expect someone to buy all the gear, he owns the plants and pays you for the electric bill. he was quoted in another thread awhile back saying cannabis should only cost 50 an ounce to grow. maybe for water and fertilizer. i'm just playing devils advocate. a co2 system alone is over 1000.

 

[_Dude]

How about wholesale prices, what can the grower expect to get in the SE with top shelf indoor grown bud?

IME (not extensive mind you) 3k. I wouldn't call what I got top shelf, but the thing is, it's hard to move prices up around here regardless of quality. People pay "kind" prices and that's that, so I have no motivation to go top shelf. Just my little corner of the world, YMMV.

 

[LiLWaynE]

when prices start getting that low in your circle... its time to find some new friends!

 

[_Dude]

Owl, you're kinda a dick pal. Risk is what commercial growers are selling. Everything else involved is something anyone with a room temp IQ can handle. So, you're basically whining that people want to profit from risk. You're criticizing people for being braver than you, for wanting to be compensated for the risks they take.

 

[SpasticGramps]

when prices start getting that low in your circle... its time to find some new friends!

No doubt lol.

 

[LiLWaynE]

No doubt lol.

haha SUCKERS

 

[Owl Mirror]

i never said per grow. owl seemed to expect someone to buy all the gear, he owns the plants and pays you for the electric bill. he was quoted in another thread awhile back saying cannabis should only cost 50 an ounce to grow. maybe for water and fertilizer. i'm just playing devils advocate. a co2 system alone is over 1000.

... he was quoted in another thread awhile back saying ...

I would like to see this quote.
The numbers used are for the cost of growing on behalf of the patient, divided by weight of final product.

... owl seemed to expect someone to buy all the gear, he owns the plants and pays you for the electric bill. ...

In case you are not familiar with Michigan's Law, a designated caregiver may only possess plants on behalf of the individual patient. The patient does in fact, own the entire plant.
Compensation is for actual costs of the operation as well as labor.
You can not legally grow marijuana as an independent grower who supplies marijuana in bulk to dispensaries.

The patient designates an individual to grow their plants for them, period.

Before accusing me, perhaps you could get the facts straight?

 

[johnnyla]

I would like to see this quote.
The numbers used are for the cost of growing on behalf of the patient, divided by weight of final product.



In case you are not familiar with Michigan's Law, a designated caregiver may only possess plants on behalf of the individual patient. The patient does in fact, own the entire plant.
Compensation is for actual costs of the operation as well as labor.
You can not legally grow marijuana as an independent grower who supplies marijuana in bulk to dispensaries.

The patient designates an individual to grow their plants for them, period.

Before accusing me, perhaps you could get the facts straight?

really? is that while on NORML website today there is an article that wants "caregivers" to operate in a commercial row in one part of their city? they are treating them as business. looks like you guys are going to have a mess over there soon too.

 

[Owl Mirror]

Owl, you're kinda a dick pal.
Risk is what commercial growers are selling.
Everything else involved is something anyone with a room temp IQ can handle.
So, you're basically whining that people want to profit from risk. You're criticizing people for being braver than you, for wanting to be compensated for the risks they take.

In Michigan, we do not have "commercial growers".
Perhaps my views are being misunderstood because Michigan doesn't follow or allow the California model of dispensaries?

A widely-accepted definition of a carer/caregiver is:

“Someone whose life is in some way restricted by the need to be responsible for the care of someone who is mentally ill, mentally handicapped, physically disabled or whose health is impaired by sickness or old age.”

The Capitalistic model of a professional-class of independent growers who have nothing to do with the patients has proven to be a complete failure. That is why Michigan elected to try a different model, based upon compassionate care-giving.

Everything else involved is something anyone with a room temp IQ can handle. So, you're basically whining that people want to profit from risk.

What risk are you implying exists? The State granted permission, the current Federal Government has said that any participant of a State program shall not be targeted or prosecuted as long as they are compliant with their State Laws.

The only risk left would be due to the HIGH VALUE placed on this commodity by dealers/caregivers demanding black market pricing or higher. Eliminate the value and the risk dissipates.

 

[GrowerGoneWild]

the gear alone costs 3,000 or more to grow med grade not to mention utilities, rent, and labor.

I disagree. And what exactly is medical grade?

A small organic soil grow in the 1KW range shouldn't really cost more than a few hundred dollars to setup. And the majority of that is going to lights.

I'm setting up a 1KW hydro, and my total is under a 1000USD for equipment, and I'm talking Good stuff, Hortilux, Allen Bradley PLC,
Dayton fans. Ozone.

 

[Owl Mirror]

really? is that while on NORML website today there is an article that wants "caregivers" to operate in a commercial row in one part of their city? they are treating them as business. looks like you guys are going to have a mess over there soon too.

That is true and, I've been warning of this since my involvement with those organizers.
I believe the particular instance you speak of is being driven by the local government as a measure of controlling where caregiver operations exist within their community, not as a strip mall of cannabis stores.

 

[geopolitical]

...The more remote and cut-off from a major city where there is a vibrant erb' market the less it costs.....usually...

I'd have to agree. Only place I've seen a consistent exception is the far north. Anyplace that's both remote & nearly impossible to grow traditional varieties in tends to be pretty insane, esp in places that have no roads. Anyplace that required a plane to deliver it and had a pop under 300 would generally double or triple the price from the nearest larger community. The smaller and further out you went, the higher the price went if it was available at all.

 

[Lazyman]

I would like to see this quote.
The numbers used are for the cost of growing on behalf of the patient, divided by weight of final product.

So do all medical growers get paid based on the same cost? Just within that state? Or does cost get to vary by county? Who decides? And who decides who decides? The collective? Or the new Homeland Weed Growers Authority?

Want to bet I have more questions than you have answers?

Slippery slopes here, any hint of authority or subsidies in these decisions will be seen as outright socialism by many.

Activists and lobbyist groups play a significant role in how our laws are changed, and if you want to be one than please, by all means do. You have my support, in spirit and in financial contributions.

However, I don't think it's wise to be an activist and a grower both. If you need to ask why, ask one of the many activists who are rotting in jail cells in the US. They aren't inside because they used the wrong setting on a megaphone.

Our laws need to change, and lots of people work hard at this every day. We all play a part in this giant chess game, and it will take a long time to work out the details of how it's played.

We can be sure of one thing, though. That is as long as the government is involved with cannabis, we can be sure there won't be any winners, only losers.


Hey look, a Christmas soapbox!

 

[Yes4Prop215]

all i know is that i tried to grow my own. after a year of fungus gnats, powder mildew, landlords, light leaks, hermies, premature nugs, bad curing, i would NOT be selling my shit for 800 a pound hahaa. i spent alone in rent and supplies more than 1500 to grow like 3000 worth of weed. granted im a newb but it still shows that growin is not easy and unless you have some outdoor crops and 800 even 1000 a pound for good weed is unheard of.

 

[macro]

it's true up here in the 707 right now a p is only worth $1500.
and i'm sure we could make it worth more selling it on the black market but that's not why a lot of us signed up
it hurts man, but im hoping it's just an explosion in outdoor production and demand should return in a few months

 

[Owl Mirror]

So do all medical growers get paid based on the same cost?
Just within that state? Or does cost get to vary by county? Who decides?

Want to bet I have more questions than you have answers?

Slippery slopes here, any hint of authority or subsidies in these decisions will be seen as outright socialism by many.

If a caregiver/grower is wasteful in the financing of the crop, I would assume the costs would reflect that fact.

If one caregiver grows 12 plants for $250 in equipment and energy while another grows the same amount yet, costs reach $500 which caregiver would you use?
Should I pay a caregiver to sit and stare at the crop for 5-6 hours each day in labor or pay a caregiver who takes care of business within 15 minutes, once a day ?

Now since a patient is only allowed to possess 2.5 OZ at any given time, that would indicate a maximum of 5 ounces could be in a usable state. Two and one-half for the patient and two and one-half in reserve, held by the caregiver.
That stipulation naturally limits the number of plants grown at any one time, otherwise you would end up, not in compliance with the law.

It was mentioned above that equipment start-up costs could exceed $3000.
I would like to know when that amount is paid off and would the pricing drop once the initial costs are recouped ?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

it's true up here in the 707 right now a p is only worth $1500.
and i'm sure we could make it worth more selling it on the black market but that's not why a lot of us signed up
it hurts man, but im hoping it's just an explosion in outdoor production and demand should return in a few months

thats funny because my friend just bought something in fairfield for 34 a P...top shelf indoor hydro the 65 an 8th stuff at the club.

 

[Lazyman]

I disagree. And what exactly is medical grade?

A small organic soil grow in the 1KW range shouldn't really cost more than a few hundred dollars to setup. And the majority of that is going to lights.

I'm setting up a 1KW hydro, and my total is under a 1000USD for equipment, and I'm talking Good stuff, Hortilux, Allen Bradley PLC,
Dayton fans. Ozone.

Sorry, I have to butt in here too.

Your total for equipment is one small part of the equation.

Consider your hours of labor every day (if you don't you don't deserve to partake in this conversation)
Repairs of parts when they break, or you break them.
Nutrients, additives, alcohol, scissors
Electricity, wiring, relays, flip flop boxes
Electricians, HVAC techs
Environmental controls, dosers, timers and pumps?
Carbon filters, light bulbs, bug sprays, consumables?
Water, water filters and RO membranes?
Trimmers, trimming machines, packaging?

Your costs are probably a lot higher than you think, as growing on any kind of scale can be quite expensive. It all adds up over the course of a year or 5, the only parts I still have after 6 years are more Vortex powerfans and the CAP enviro controller. Everything else has died at some point, I can't tell you the mountain of gear that is.

I don't know where you live man, but most of us live and grow in areas where it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. ACs and fans and heat and power are not free, and never will be.

Sorry if I come off as a dick, but if you're just starting your first 1kw grow you cannot dictate its costs to us. If I'm wrong, tell me about your history of commerical growing and I'll kiss your ass, deal?



Oh, and medical grade should be an established, measureable and repeatable measurement of THC, like with a gas chromatagraph like is in use today. Say, 15% or better?

 

[Owl Mirror]

i spent alone in rent and supplies more than 1500 to grow like 3000 worth of weed.

I'm curious why you include your rent as an expense for growing.
Would you not have rent if you were not growing?

 

[Miss Blunted]

Im not lying.

This isnt a national market, its a small isolated town/ county in dirt poor, isolated rural appalachia. You can work in the coal mines or timber mills or you can do nothing. The culture is poor and suspicious of outsiders. The nearest "big town" is a few hours away, but most folks here don't know anybody that lives there that they could sell weed to. Im sure there are a few people that have other outlets, but most here dont.

I sense elitism. Poor people who are trying to keep food and shelter will do what they need to do to get them money to survive.

Here, the soil and climate are good for cannabis. Anybody with some seeds and a shovel can grow a good crop of weed. I disagree that it cost a lot to grow here and i know that pounds of weed were harvested that the grower made a dozen trips to the grow and sprinkeled 50 bucks worth of fertilizer on them. Where's the big cost.

Indoor growing is more expensive and those people are loosing money, but they are trapped in a flooded market and the ones that cant afford to sit on their weed because they depend on it to pay their bills have to do something.

No one involved has considered what may occur in the future or how the market might be effected.

I could understand some skepticism, but to jump out and call someone a liar without even asking a few questions is a little hasty and inpolite in my opinion.

Some fine, fine outdoor weed in the hills...that's for sure. I just smoked some from the Blue Hills. It was great.