Healthy Soil, Healthy Plants

[Stoned Crow]

i understand everything about orgaincs as you have explained it, aside from the harmony with nature i believe that chem grow weed with some carbs added to it and flushed properly with ph water will leave u with just as sweet as smoke but with more of it and with less hassle then straight organics, ive even heard some organic guys recommend flushing organic grown weed. that im not sure on. also i will be reuseing this present coco after a rinse of course, plenty of people are doing it with sucess.

Hilbie, why do you have to rinse your coco after you use it?


Edit: Also, did you ever get the problem with your seedlings figured out? The one in the thread you started here: seedlings falling over in coco?

 

[magiccannabus]

Did you still make the weakest plant the mother? Why not just take a cutting of the best, or of all of them, and keep them until your results are in? Mothers don't need to take up much space.

 

[Stoned Crow]

C2, that Satori-Thai-Haze cross does sound dynamite. Do you have any pics of that, or do you have it in seed form?

 

[hilbie]

Hilbie, why do you have to rinse your coco after you use it?


Edit: Also, did you ever get the problem with your seedlings figured out? The one in the thread you started here: seedlings falling over in coco?

u ask questions u already know the anwers too-

i already answered the seedling problem in that thread, did u u bother to read it?

 

[Stoned Crow]

u ask questions u already know the anwers too-

i already answered the seedling problem in that thread, did u u bother to read it?

I read the whole thread, but you haven't updated for a week, so I was wondering if they fell over again?

 

[maryjohn]

man, I have some skunk x haze, and they keep falling over. out of 7 so far, one finally sprouted and behaved normally.

 

[C21H30O2]

Did you still make the weakest plant the mother? Why not just take a cutting of the best, or of all of them, and keep them until your results are in? Mothers don't need to take up much space.

HEy Magiccannabus,
These plants are all from clone so they are identical but ofcourse some girls will get bigger and be healthier than others for reasons to complex and myriad to explore. The best 4 girls will be flowered and one will be kept as a mother to provide clones for the next round if the strain performs well. My eventual goal in my setup is 4oz per plant, 4 plants per harvest, harvest every 2 - 3 weeks depending on flowering time. This is a long term goal that will probably require CO2 and an extra 1200w of power but i think its doable with some time patients and a good soil mix.

C2, that Satori-Thai-Haze cross does sound dynamite. Do you have any pics of that, or do you have it in seed form?

Hey SC, I am really looking forward to growing that cross. They breeder said it takes about 100days from seed so I will probably veg for 2 weeks then flower. I will veg a few clones as well incase I get some Males in the bunch, I can replace them with some females. The males will be saved in clone form however for future breeding projects. They are in seed form so no pics of that yet but I will post some as soon as they pop.

peace,
c21

 

[hilbie]

I read the whole thread, but you haven't updated for a week, so I was wondering if they fell over again?

after i took all the rapid rooters of them the first time most came back around 3 days, some that i left even around 15 pecent of the rooter on i pulled back up yesterday and removed all of it, i culled about 8 plants out of quite a few girls and the remaining ones r growing fast again and there greening up quickly as they grow new roots.... so im finally of to the races. really bummed me out for a week to have bs probs like this, my 4 that i started in straight coco are a few days from passing up some of my 2 weeks in the rapid rooter +coco and there only a week old. live n learn, but yeah they havent fallen over since i took out the rapid rooter water loggers, with the coco u can uproot and replant so easy, the girls that didnt have fresh abundant roots since replanting i just dumped and started fresh ones. what can u do..

 

[C21H30O2]

can we leave the antagonism out of my thread please...

 

[magiccannabus]

HEy Magiccannabus,
These plants are all from clone so they are identical but ofcourse some girls will get bigger and be healthier than others for reasons to complex and myriad to explore. The best 4 girls will be flowered and one will be kept as a mother to provide clones for the next round if the strain performs well. My eventual goal in my setup is 4oz per plant, 4 plants per harvest, harvest every 2 - 3 weeks depending on flowering time. This is a long term goal that will probably require CO2 and an extra 1200w of power but i think its doable with some time patients and a good soil mix

Sounds like a great plan, even if it went half right you should still have enough bud to be very happy. I missed the bit about the clones, my bad.

 

[C21H30O2]

thx MC 3 oz is the goal but if I can get 2 or over I will be plenty happy. The plants I have flowering at the moment should yield 2oz per and they were beat up as all hell. Hopefully healthier plants will yield far better. By the way the Bull Rider girls are growing fast in veg and they are starting to look a deep and healthy green, this is after an ACT and some alfalfa meal tea. ill try and post some pics later today.
peace,
c21

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

While we're waiting on those pics, I was musing a bit about organic VS hydro and I think I came up with the definitive difference; Ease. In fact, ease is the thing that distinguishes organic farming methods in general, whether it's tomatos or cannabis. Organic methods are easier and less exacting. But, there's organic and then there's organic. Take for example the application of manure to a field, something every farmer knows is benificial. Collect the manure from the animals, put it in a cart or spreader and head out to the field. Only thing is, that manure isn't as nutritious as it was before it went through the animal and in addition to that, you have to move it from the barn to the field. Solution? Green manure. Plant the alfalfa (or whatever) in the field and turn it under. More nutrients, less work. Both 'organic' methods, but one is better because it's both easier and more effective. Ease is such a good barometer of 'organic-ness' that you can use it to evaluate methods. If it's fiddly, overly complicated and appeals to the control freak in us, it probably ain't organic!

 

[hilbie]

i disagree organics is easier, i just dont know how tap water and a bottle of nutes with coco is harder then making a mix, brewing teas etc etc of organics? i know everyone thinks there method is best and easiest and i respect organics, but the ease stuff kills me, feeding with water or nutes is pretty much the same to me and that leaves the intial mix which is more work by far, dirts dirty, heavey, additives have to be sought out, dirt as to be turned over etc... coco i pour in cup, feed with tap water or light nute and im off. dirt is more physical labor, watering is watering-

 

[jaykush]

organics is as hard or as easy as you make it. 90% of the time i just use plain water. nature does the rest. i cant see how anything could be more simple than just add water.

 

[feral]

organics is as hard or as easy as you make it. 90% of the time i just use plain water. nature does the rest. i cant see how anything could be more simple than just add water.

so true

 

[C21H30O2]

i disagree organics is easier, i just dont know how tap water and a bottle of nutes with coco is harder then making a mix, brewing teas etc etc of organics? i know everyone thinks there method is best and easiest and i respect organics, but the ease stuff kills me, feeding with water or nutes is pretty much the same to me and that leaves the intial mix which is more work by far, dirts dirty, heavey, additives have to be sought out, dirt as to be turned over etc... coco i pour in cup, feed with tap water or light nute and im off. dirt is more physical labor, watering is watering-

do you know for a fact hilbie, by that i mean have you grown an organic crop tasted the finished product and compared to your chem grown? If not your basing your opinions on a bias, because you have gotten good results with your methods you assume that other methods can't produce just as well or better. If you have experience growing a true living organics crop then i apologize. we've all tried it the chem way and we moved on to something else... there is a reason.
c21

 

[hilbie]

yeah its a fact, a simple one. its also a simple fact to just feed a plant water and zero nutes, blynxx on the micro forum does this with pretty good results, but like he said he adds things to his pile of dirt and tills n turns it over once n a while. i scoop, plant, water. i think its easier, and the results are great. i actually think its the only organic guys who have never grown another way that acutally think in there mind that hydro or coco is harder then soil, when its the opposite ime

true u cant get much easier then just add water but for the money and effort your going to need to put into your medium to achieve what us coco guys can with scoop n plant its going to cost u much more work in sourceing nutriants and dollars to get them to the level of a lucas formula ph'd in coco, i know it every green thumbs organic romance to say ''i went in the feild next door for my dirt and my stuff was 2 grams per watt first try, everything was just perfect'', but we not this isnt the case-

i say its more work, not less...
if u have tried both and have an opinion cool-

 

[maryjohn]

I say you didn't answer the question regarding your firsthand experience with organics.

My methods have reduced the overall volume of trash I send to the landfill by over 50%, and reduced my organic matter by 95%. The resulting product is a major component of my grow. My soil is re-used, I can often go a week without watering if need be, my plants are happy, I never take a pH reading, and I don't have to bother with pH, nutrients, or anything other than water. I can dispose of my plant material by turning it into compost without having it leave the house. And I spend very very little. I do not send fertilizers into the sewage system.

For the extra money you spend, you probably expend less effort, when you consider all the activities I am committed to if my grow will work. But I like fermenting things, managing worms, reducing my environmental footprint in a meaningful way, being super stealthy, and learning all kinds of stuff that expand my web of connections to our world. You make all that sound like a
burden, when it's in fact a blessing and a boon.

My first grow was with miracle grow and lime in the woods behind my childhood home. I came from a conventional background, like many of the people you presume don't understand your point of view. I've made most of your arguments before - to the people who set me straight.

 

[DARC MIND]

i know everyone thinks there method is best and easiest and i respect organics

I don’t think its about what approach is best, IMO many gardeners/growers will agree that the easiest garden or growing methods are the ones that fit the individual gardeners situation or life style. Maryjohn and many organic heads choose to grow organics because we find it rewarding beyond the fact of perpetual big, tasty buds…

& FYI composting, growing or making soil/nutrients and culturing beneficial microbes does not need to cost much or anything beyond what many spend to live. It is also not required to grow great organic nugs but in many opinions, its worth the effort if you take the minute.

Also (not trying to step on your toes) but there is a difference between having/showing respect, then just saying you respect something.
Sorry, had to after reading comments like this

u must have home made organics, u like to brew teas and make all kinds of guesses with nutes or hope the poop gods will magically balance your ph

 

[C21H30O2]

some pics as promised... better late than never.



Those are my bull rider girls and here are a few Satori that are flowering at the moment... can't wait to sample this strain.