What Male to use in a cross?

[wvkindbud38]

Lol It sounds like this guy is qustioning the legend TOM Hill's methods......what a joke. Look back in HT march 05 and check out his huge outdoor container grows.....lol or heck anything back in the overgrow days......I'm pretty sure Tom Hill has got his shit down right. This man has done alot for the cannmuntiy and medical patients and he's also got my respect and many others on these boards

 

[SOTF420]

Tom, those pics of the DC are seriously amazing.
How often do plants like that show up in your packs?

How many would one need to grow out roughly to find one like that frost monster?

 

[englishrick]

Nvishion coulda done better to have bit his tounge when it came to his fustration,,,,,droping the condisending atitude woulda donee him some good,,,,,,

abuse is not cool,,nither is being belittled,,,,,help our brothers!! , we are all part of the same family!!!

losing him is a terribble shame!!!!

 

[englishrick]

Things are going to change. It may not be this morning...it may not be next year...but things are gonna change around this hackfest. Cannabis will not sustain this kind of poor breeding, ignorance and greed forever.

i gota admit,,,,i see the change coming too,,,,,,,,,,ive had to preserve 20 year old Sk1 clones just to suit my tastes

its gona start happening soon,,,we cant stop it,,,,,,,its a new age,,,,,,,,it needs propergation,,,but mostly direction

 

[VerdantGreen]

i'm right in thinking that nvisionary was previously called vanxant yes?

 

[dmt]

nl #5 from doc atomic or bcsc, pure inbred afghani, a solid sk#1, durban poison, powerplant. theres tons more true breeding strains too, depending on what your goals are, d

 

[Kaneh]

nl #5 from doc atomic or bcsc, pure inbred afghani, a solid sk#1, durban poison, powerplant. theres tons more true breeding strains too, depending on what your goals are, d

But if I buy, let's say, 10 packs of Power Plant seeds. Are all 100 seeds gonna be from same parents? Or do I get some genetic variation in my seeds so that they can be parent stock for healthy future generations?
Probably not. I think that breeders select best female and male of their IBL-strains and clone them to make seeds.
Breeders doesn't get any advantage by distributing OP seeds. If they do so, then anybody can continue making more seeds of that strain and they loose money.

Do any of the seeds vendors use multiple parents for their IBL/true breeding strains? Does somebody have some intel on this?

 

[Kaneh]

i'm right in thinking that nvisionary was previously called vanxant yes?

Yep, I think so. He has also many other nicks.

I was kinda waiting that he gets banned, or this thread locked.
It has happened for much lesser reasons in this forum.
Not that I support this kind of censorship, but this thread has been going circles couple times because people start talking about personal issues and not the subject in hand. I hope this thread starts going forward again and Tom Hill continues posting even that he doesn't have to defend himself against nvisionarys accusations.

 

[dmt]

males are generally harder to judge for geno/pheno then females in my experience. with a nice stable ibl, picking a stinky vigoruos male will give you offspring with a comparative geno/pheno type to the fems you desire. i cull out males that dont smell and arent vigorus, but i might be missing out on a recessive gene that shows in f-1 hybrid crosses. if you are planning to cube back to a mom, does the male really matter even, good luck mang, d

 

[VerdantGreen]

Yep, I think so. He has also many other nicks.

I was kinda waiting that he gets banned, or this thread locked.
It has happened for much lesser reasons in this forum.
Not that I support this kind of censorship, but this thread has been going circles couple times because people start talking about personal issues and not the subject in hand. I hope this thread starts going forward again and Tom Hill continues posting even that he doesn't have to defend himself against nvisionarys accusations.

imo its time for him to make the choice about what he really cares about. from what he posts it appears that his ideals about the cannabis gene pool are LESS important to him than having a dig at many of his peers. Gypsy offered him a forum of his own on this board and he declined. i cant see why he would say no to that if his intentions are to change the way people think and practice breeding, and i cant see how someone of such obvious intelligence and experience would be unaware that the way he addresses and refers to people is only going to be counter-productive to persuading them to change.

nvisionary, if you are reading this then please consider taking up the offer to do some real teaching on this site.

sincerely

V.

as for sensorship i dont think that is the issue in this case, but i think any kind of sensorship - like the filtering of certain breeder's names or deletion of certain threads - only serves to cheepen the great knowledge pool and community that this site has become. i wonder, now that the site is payed for by donations, if it is right to censor it in favor of bay and boo business - especially as it is fronted by ICmag which claims 'International Cannagraphic exists to educate the world about the benefits of this amazing plant that was gifted to us by the creator' - but i guess thats a whole other can of worms

 

[Kaneh]

as for sensorship i dont think that is the issue in this case, but i think any kind of sensorship - like the filtering of certain breeder's names or deletion of certain threads - only serves to cheepen the great knowledge pool and community that this site has become. i wonder, now that the site is payed for by donations, if it is right to censor it in favor of bay and boo business - especially as it is fronted by ICmag which claims 'International Cannagraphic exists to educate the world about the benefits of this amazing plant that was gifted to us by the creator' - but i guess thats a whole other can of worms

You're right, cencorsip is not the correct term in this case, but you got my point.
I have also been pondering in my mind that this site gets lot's of donations, and fundraisers are going all the time. This site is obviously commercial, supporting Gypsys seed business. So why all this fundraising, is it to support Gypsys Jaguar? Or is keeping this site up really so expensive that Seedbay/Boutique are not making enough money to pay the server bills?

Sorry for OT, hope I don't get banned for this!

 

[VerdantGreen]

it's difficult, im sure the server bills are quite high as the site gets a lot of traffic and you pay for the volume of downloaded info i think. IC is the biggest mj community on the web and i love this place for the largely friendly crowd and the amount of info and experience there is here, but at the same time business is business - i understand that, ive run a business with a website myself.
i think the potential problems come when the website is claiming to be one thing but actually is something else as well. personally its the greatness of the site that makes me want to buys seeds from boo or bay, and its the sensorship that makes me not want to buy seeds.
this place is an important resource and a historical document - i guess really its nothing new for there to be bias - history has always been written by the winners

i only stick my neck out to say these things because i love and value this place

respectfully

V.

 

[Blimey]

I don't think Gypsy has ever denied the fact that this site/community is an adjunct to a business enterprise.

To that end....I think it is reasonable to discourage discussion of rivals. Tesco may run a free cooking club, but if you join it and spout off about how great Asda's own-brand stuff is....well, I think you see my point.

Look at how much clone-only discussion goes on. Gypsy don't sell clones, but he chooses to allow people to post huge amounts of pix and info about clones - strains which he can't sell in seed form. The only peeps making money there are the US dispensaries and their suppliers.

Also compare and contrast with other sites such as the particular UK one we discuss on the UK forum. You can and do get banned there for much lesser infractions than here.

Let's cherish what we have here. I don't think we're going to find a better community in a hurry. You never know when an ambitious Dutch politician may get up a head of steam, and Bang....we're gone the way of OG. I'm just grateful that Jacqui Smith isn't the Dutch Home Affairs/Interior Minister. Even in Holland, only possession is decrim, not cultivation, IIRC.

Totally OT - nothing about males in a cross, but just my $0.02

 

[englishrick]

this place is an important resource and a historical document - i guess really its nothing new for there to be bias - history has always been written by the winners

i only stick my neck out to say these things because i love and value this place

respectfully

V.

CLAP,,,CLAP,,,,,,CLAP,,,,,,,CLAP,,,,,,,CLAP,,,,,CLAP,,,,,,,CLAP


THE QUESTION NOW IS ,,,,,,,

DID NVISHON REALY WANT TO TEACH AND BE LOVED ,,,,,ITS OVIOUS HE AINT TEACHING BY EXAMPLE,,,,IS THAT ANYWAY TO TEACH?

PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH,,,,,,LEAD THE CONGRIGATION,,,,,,,, TEACH OTHER TO START THERE OWN CHIRCH

THE LAST ACT OF GURU,,,IS TO RID STUDENT OF THE NEED OF GURU

 

[DocLeaf]

PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH,,

We are what we eat rick, ! both mentally and physically,, whatever their name,, they held negative karma,, hopefully the rocks, winds and moons can help replenish them into more meaningful and pleasant people in future.. or maybe santa will bring them all the joys they want in their stocking,, (where's the easter bunny symbol Admin.,, god dam it,, we are seed hackin' bush pagans after all!) lol

peace n this green stuff to all ..

 

[englishrick]

il be teaching my kids by example,,,,,,,,,,,im NOT gona sware an shout in the house and expect them NOT to grow-up and talk to my wife like that

 

[rantan]

please excuse my 'noob'ness but my curiousity got the better of me

I have read the first 112 posts in this thread yet only 12 posts were constructively addressing the topic , the other 100 were just ripping each others opinions to pieces ..

why is this ?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Yeah... I'm wondering why sixty million people died in the SECOND world war too.... when you get to the bottom of it lemme know.

 

[DocLeaf]

why is this ?

Some folks like to flex their big egos online and other folk get backed into a corner of reproach by it. Only a few big egos can sit round a small table at one time without crushing it.

Breeding and preservation are really emotional subjects round here,, because people are still passionate about what growers do ,, and many are realising the problems growers will face in the future without some positive action now

Btw ,, there is no definitive answer as to which male to use in a cross... (it is one of the best questions) ,, hence the debate / flames.

 

[englishrick]

i think the main problem is with our Education System,,,,,,,,