What Male to use in a cross?

[SOTF420]

Wow, GreenintheThumb, judging by your last response and now neg rep, along with the name calling and obvious anger for who knows why, I seem to have hit a nerve with you.
I guess you really showed me with the name calling, so adult like hehe.

You brought up Steve, go grow my Sweet Tooth, what Kootenay said, etc. and I responded, get over it bro. You are a backseat driver it seems which is okay but don't tell others how to steer when they are driving.

Was it not you that via PM told me Kootenay and others have no clue what they are doing anyways and you explained to them how to properly breed strains and did not care to repeat it to me? Maybe I am imagining things. Don't try to throw me under the bus dude because I don't agree with one statement one person made about a strain from 7 years ago that you brought up in the first place lol. What's your beef anyways with Steve and his strains, why must you always belittle everything and say it is not done right?

Since you brought it up yet again, the sweet tooth 1.1 (notice sweet tooth is in lower case) for the record is not a fucking REAL sweet tooth from Steve, it has a different dad which you know and which Koot confirmed for us but we already all knew. I think even a kindergardener can understand that with a different parent it's a different strain, not saying it's not wonderful but it's not the old one. Chimera made the seeds, not Steve. All the other shit is white noise about that one. It is NOT the real original Sweet Tooth. I will not call it such and the breeder does'nt either (GF x BB) so not sure where you were going with that one. It seems to be a great F1 cross but it's not anything like the Swt #3 or #4 from what I can tell other than the mother being the same but in a much smaller % due to no backcrosses. And since you asked, with every generation backcrossed to the SPG mother the inheritance of her genes and thus her traits increases with every backcrossed generation which is why the #4 being the last one would have more SPG like traits as opposed to the #3 before it. The last and final Sweet Tooth made by Steve himself and released from the Swiss tunnels was #4.

Good luck to you brother, hopefully you sober up and rethink your attitude here and stop putting accomplished people down constantly because that's not what any of us are here for. I am here for the love of a plant that can save the world and is a valuable medicine for mankind. What about you dude?

If right now 100 packs of REAL Sweet Tooth hit the bay or boo, you can bet that they would be gone in a flash no doubt about it. Because of a great breeder with a great track record and many great strains. But according to your statements, Steve does'nt really know what he was doing either right? I beg to differ, I think he knew exactly what he was doing and did a damn fine job which is why we are even still talking about him and his strains today. Spice of Life strains are legendary and I will make damn sure the tooth NEVER EVER goes extinct as you claim it to be. The Tooth is surely alive and well.

Btw, I do luv you, you know that.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

nvisionary--

Why do you even care at all? You whine about cannabis being all in and we're never going to see anything better. You claim that we are just going to degrade it and beat it into the ground because everyone is a newb or a hack.

Then you claim that you don't even make seeds anymore. You don't have anything but large number open pollinations as a cure either. IF this is such a serious problem why would you not do something about it, as passionate (or sour) as you seem to be.

I'm not really sure what you are attempting to achieve.... but the rest of us are actively trying to get to new combinations. I know you've seen every one of the possible gene combinations, but most of us honest people haven't. It seems like you're jaded and have resigned to throwing insults and blanket statements... truly very productive.

If the only theory you have or support is open pollination, I believe we've established that. Everyone is a hack, there is no real seed company, Gypsy is the devil... blah blah blah blah blah.

I really can't wait for you to pour on all of your knowledge and wisdom oh great teacher.

 

[supermanlives]

use the most stable strain you got. crosses lead to many variables. just do it . lots of labeling and record keeping. DAVESNOTHERE

 

[Paco]

don't worry stof420, gitt has done that to me before.
kinda silly, such an angry fella.

 

[Paco]

how many roads must a man walk down beffore you can call him a man,,,,,beffore he sleeps in the sand,,,,,sometimes you gota fight when your a man

wtf? rick you been smoking soapbar again??

 

[englishrick]

wtf? rick you been smoking soapbar again??

soapbar is funnyer than i am,,,

as far as im concerned this is 1 big ganja party,,,im just providing a lil music,,,this whole thread is full with my mates,,,,im just buzzin to be here

tankyou all so very mutch for puttin on sutch a great party,,,,lichim

 

[3dDream]

Let's see.... Most breeders use 1:1. Many breeders use clones w/ unknown origins. Some breeders do not test the offspring before releasing the seeds. Few breeders use OP. So why are we arguing against something that is the minority? Shouldn't the one method that preserves a pool be used the most?

Oh and blue eyes in humans can be traced back to a mutation in one person.

I am all for hobby breeding as long as there are some pro's maintaining things. I would gladly test out an OP grow from time to time just to support the cause. Imagine an online testing of various populations. Kinda like what ace did w/ the ot gaze, but I think their multi-release was 1:1. A breeder could use online growers as a resource for testing. I dunno.


oh and I found this stable mutant in my home fuckings:




Strength in numbers!

 

[SOTF420]

don't worry stof420, gitt has done that to me before.
kinda silly, such an angry fella.

No worries, I'm guessing his intentions are probably good, effective delivery is a whole other issue. He is in dire need of a few hits of this Sweet Tooth that encourages peace & brotherhood. I think he might be smoking some poorly bred pot.

 

[Tom Hill]

Nvisionary, I guess you missed it. It's not your call what is contributing positively or not to the overall health of the gene pool, imo, it's your guess.

You think that sites and dabblers like me have integrated nearly the entire globes gene pool? Show me, prove it. I am in Central AM and am not smoking Dutch hybrids grown in Colombia as you would have folks believe was all that is possible. I AM looking at landrace seed now, up close and personal, not from a computer monitor. You are overstating what has and is happening man, imo.

Backcrossing and selfing can absolutely be employed in todays political climate, neither require thousands of plants to be grown at once.

When you state these things so very matter of factly, that this and that can not possibly be done correctly by anyone, it seems to me that you are in fact disregarding that it is a numbers game. -Tom

PS, .... and what do you suppose happens to the fitness of the already severely threatened natural populations when these hatchery fish interbreed with them? Sound familiar? Ummm, yeah.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

@Tom

I suppose I have hammered Steve a few times. And rightfully so. Cubing isn't the end all be all of breeding. And like I said explain to me how important backcrossing will be post-legalization when we can get clones or artificial seeds in the mail. It's a simplistic and more often than not ineffective breeding method. And the 1:1 matings, well I suppose I will harp on that forever btw-how are those landraces looking? How were they maintained?

@ Paco

Tom's comment didn't catch too much flak. It just doesn't mean too much when no one knows. And sometime Paco we're ganna have to bury the hatchet; otherwise every interaction will be unpleasant for the both of us.

SOTF-

I told you I'm tired of you derailing this thread. How many more times are we ganna go over the same shit? Get over it, Steve didn't properly breed anything. Great, you found many keepers in his releases. I found many nice things too but that doesn't mean I can't speak my mind and say I wouldn't follow his methods to accomplish genetic gain. I don't hate the guy, and I think as far as germplasm goes his is among the best to gather from. That speaks volumes to his selection abilities and to the state of the rest of the pool. I haven't belittled his hybrids, in fact I've recommended them to many. But they weren't bred properly or maintained. You can't change that fact, and I can't either. Regardless, there's keepers to find in there for sure. Okay? Can we all agree and move on yet?

Up, nope looks like you want to talk more about sweettooth. Well mister kindergartner, SWTBC2 male is dead. So according to you there can never be a sweettooth again. Funny how when the F1 had a different dad it was still called sweettooth, funny how when the BC3 had a different dad it was still called sweettooth, and by golly when they backcrossed it again with a GASP different dad it was still called sweettooth. Jesus Christ how can YOU make sure SWT never goes extinct with a fucking pack in the freezer. HELLO? HELLLLLLLO? You don't have the magical dead dad, do you? I guess even a kindergartner would know it's a different strain then. Why don't you spend MORE of you time hyping dead strains and raising a man who made plenty of blunders to hero status. Why don't you ask Steve how he feels about all this? Oh, right. He doesn't give a shit and is busy growing a true different species. Not a different species of cannabis btw. I don't want to confuse the kindergartner in you.

Now, can we move on to something of consequence and perhaps something you're not so strangely personally vested in? Cuz that'd be peachy

 

[URUK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones View Post
Open pollination favours early maturing plants. A seedline maintained by OP without selection drifts quite a bit. Genes of late maturing plants are lost or at least become uncommon.
This guy nailed it on the head! OP favours the early flowering males.

it would only favour early maturing flowers if all the females had the same flowering period,which in a true outdoor OP I doubt. it would also depend on many enviromental factors, which you see with landraces they have usually evolved/adapted to their enviroment via natural selection.

So for genetic diversity natural selection is still above breeder supplemented. and the reverse true for pure lines.

As stated previously the only way to attain 99% diversity is via 2000 plants etc.

Look up population genetics.


@SOFT420 seems you can dish stuff out but not take it, the SWT stuff should be in the SOL thread not here, that said do you not miss some of the grizzly's strains or should I say seedlots, perhaps if he had bred a line and maintained it properly you wouldn't miss them, but he didn't he selected certain plants for seedlots nothing more nothing less, and hence whats lost is lost... but just for you i'll state something again the original SWT can still be created because the stretch indica male is still alive and so is the GF clone... but the SWT 3 cannot be for reasons as stated above..... now pick your toys back up and stay in the pram - no one wants to know about your pms with GitT !

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Just for clarification: I think the original F1 SWT used Steve's chromatic BB male, I don't think it was DJ's stretch indica that's still around.

 

[chef]

I'd do Mexican Sativa/F13 x C99, at least as a side dusting I heard F13 is history too, not the driving reason tho.

I like originality, a high probability of dankness & a certain degree of the unknown/fate/luck whatever lol The above sure would be interesting & original, possibly a new fast Hazeish variety? It sounds like something Joey Weed might do? I'd BIN a pack

Good luck, don't see any possible BAD combos.

 

[URUK]

Just for clarification: I think the original F1 SWT used Steve's chromatic BB male, I don't think it was DJ's stretch indica that's still around.

Yes my mistake.

From the Grizzly

It originated through the sacred union of my favorite clone, the Sweet Pink Grapefruit, and the most resinous male I had ever seen, a very special Blueberry specimen.

 

[spliphy]

what male to use

what male to use

use the one male which, by a significant degree, produces the 'hottest' daughters with whatever female you combine it

this strategy will be 'fun', it will spur others to find something better, more folks will appreciate this nice cannabis, people will be educated about herb generally, on to normalization

hacks help preserve the genepool overall in many important ways

gene preservation is only one component in the cannabis portfolio, to over emphasize it is stupid

risks facing cannabis always exist and can never be totally eliminated...it needs managing...gene preservation assists pathogenic response but does nothing against a swarm of grasshoppers or adverse cannabis politics

so hacks possibly don't preserve all helpful genes in their own creations, in the bigger scheme of things hacks do preserve cannabis by other contributions

 

[englishrick]

As stated previously the only way to attain 99% diversity is via 2000 plants etc.

if i prepare 100.000 S1 Cheese seeds,,,am i the best SK1 consevationist in town?

 

[englishrick]

oviously HTskunk is probbly better because it still has the Y chromozone,,,,,but i still dont know why thats sutch a big advantage when im looking to isolate specific traits

 

[GreenintheThumb]

The Y chromosome is unimportant for our interests Rick. And like I said plenty of people have Cheese so you're not really conserving anything that could be lost.

 

[SOTF420]

SOTF-

I told you I'm tired of you derailing this thread. How many more times are we ganna go over the same shit? Get over it, Steve didn't properly breed anything. Great, you found many keepers in his releases. I found many nice things too but that doesn't mean I can't speak my mind and say I wouldn't follow his methods to accomplish genetic gain. I don't hate the guy, and I think as far as germplasm goes his is among the best to gather from. That speaks volumes to his selection abilities and to the state of the rest of the pool. I haven't belittled his hybrids, in fact I've recommended them to many. But they weren't bred properly or maintained. You can't change that fact, and I can't either. Regardless, there's keepers to find in there for sure. Okay? Can we all agree and move on yet?

Up, nope looks like you want to talk more about sweettooth. Well mister kindergartner, SWTBC2 male is dead. So according to you there can never be a sweettooth again. Funny how when the F1 had a different dad it was still called sweettooth, funny how when the BC3 had a different dad it was still called sweettooth, and by golly when they backcrossed it again with a GASP different dad it was still called sweettooth. Jesus Christ how can YOU make sure SWT never goes extinct with a fucking pack in the freezer. HELLO? HELLLLLLLO? You don't have the magical dead dad, do you? I guess even a kindergartner would know it's a different strain then. Why don't you spend MORE of you time hyping dead strains and raising a man who made plenty of blunders to hero status. Why don't you ask Steve how he feels about all this? Oh, right. He doesn't give a shit and is busy growing a true different species. Not a different species of cannabis btw. I don't want to confuse the kindergartner in you.

Now, can we move on to something of consequence and perhaps something you're not so strangely personally vested in? Cuz that'd be peachy

Wow, you are beyond confused on the tooth man. I'm going to decline to even reply in depth here because I feel dumber from just reading your post. I will say this though,
the OLD Sweet Tooth was an ever evolving strain being worked by Steve and ending in the #4 after all his selections and backcrosses, the 1.1 is starting over with a different new dad and done by Chimera. You still are insisting this is a real Sweet Tooth and it's not, it's a new different GF x BB cross.

With methods like cloning and selfing the original Sweet Tooth genetics will never be gone, maybe in their original seed form once all the breeder originals are grown out but due to the stability of the strain compared to most the incrosses down the road are just as good if not more stable than the ones in the breeder packs, and yes as you noted I have an original 15 pack still but had several to begin with and have hundreds of IBx1's of it. The fabled bb male may be gone but his progency is not. I like the way you took my kindergardener reference and overused it a bunch of times, very original.

I don't even know why you are arguing about this, don't know what your problem even is really. Do you?

You need to smoke some pot man.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

I thought it was clever. Thanks for keeping this train off the tracks.