my setup

[dank.frank]

What Frank has so graciously failed to mention is that I'm abnormally obsessed with stealth.

Which is exactly why I love your designs. Your freezer is so much less obvious than the ominous large wooden box making jet noises in the corner...HAHAHA.

You are without a doubt one of the kings of cab design....let NO ONE make a mistake about that!!



dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

how high is the cab? and it'll be 2feetx2,5/3feet right?

a bit big for a stealth cab^^

I have the same problem as far as the concept of thought. In order to really get the proper equipment inside the cab, you kinda have no choice but to go taller. Now, you could achieve the same concept, by placing items on the outside of the cab itself, but that changes things a bit, and is also not really all that stealth.

The PERK to the designs offered, even in spite of height, is that these cabinets can fit inside of a closet or a storage area with a door. This door can be fitted with locks and sound dampening materials as well as the interior walls of the closet. This really allows any noise to be masked...

However, as I stated in my last post...for every element changed, there arises different challenges. The MAIN one in this scenario (a closet / storage area/ closed door) is the need to get FRESH air to the cabinet and to exhaust the hot air. So, once again, you run into a situation that requires a bit of work. An air vent, like used for the recirculation of air conditioning can be installed, and a PERK here, you can place a very good filter in these, and really ensure that any air reaching your plants is free of any mold/pests/dirt. Obviously, this is NOT being suggested if you are renting, but on the upside, it at least can be done in a way that looks normal and blends in with the normal environment of a house...maintaining stealth. Now for the exhaust, well, same concept applies, it can be retrofitted to work with 6" ducts and normal air vents as well.

Keeping in mind, if you are growing hydro, you have to figure out ways to get reservoirs and the works with in the cab or a very near proximity

Anyway...there is always a pro and a con to every situation. I PERSONALLY have never figured out how to get TRUE dank and top notch quality herbs in spaces that don't have the vertical height. That is MY personal issue...there are others on here that do it all the time in all kinds of ways...I suppose, in all fairness and honesty that makes them better to listen to than me when it comes to TRUE micro cabs.


dank.Frank

 

[temunator]

the good thing is i got alot time for planning i can think about everything possible
maybe ill go with a old freezer for flower a small pc for clones and a old TV for the moms XD

that would make watching tv way better hehe

 

[temunator]

perpetual sog growbox setup

perpetual sog growbox setup

this will be my final thread searching for some help here ...since all other thread got 0-3 replies i think most ppl here just dont want to help others

my box will be made out of wood with 2 chambers ....1 for the moms and cloning 1 for flower
shouldnt be much higher than 1,50m (59 inch) no restictions for lenght so i need this parts^^
ill use a 110W T5 i got already for the moms&clone rooting
clones will go straight into flower after rooting no veg
flower room will use a 300W CFL
i think ill use cola bottles(the 2 liter ones)as pots
the room should be big enough to fit 30-40 bottles on there =30-40plants)
as soon as everything is dialed in ill go for a harvest every 1 or 2 weeks
i thought bout using a ozone generator against the odor
dunno what fans(in/out take) to build in there


strains i got for my grow till now
Red Dwarf (buddha seeds)
Afghani #1 (sensi seeds)
Northern lights (nirvana
Pure AK (female seeds)
Original hazeXSkunk#1(sam the skunksman)
Dwarf mix (JD)
La diva (delicious seeds)
Purple haze (Positronics)
Auto blueberry (lowlife)
Bubba kush (GHS)
Afghan mafia (G13)
Mandala #1 (mandala)
Coucklock (BCseeds)
Big blue (BCseeds)
NL#5 (BCseeds)

any (for real ANY) questions are welcome

 

[Jnugg]

Just let me get the facts straight...

Growspace: Two chambered perpetual DIY cab/box.59" tall

Mother/clone lighting:110w T5 fixture

Flower lighting: 300w of CFL's

Plant containers: 2l soda bottles

wanting to fit 30-40 plants.



My questions:

What wattage CFl bulbs are you using and how many lumens is each bulb rated for?

What thickness and what kind of wood are you planning on building this cab/box out of?I would recommend sheets of 4' x 8' x .75" thick MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard) or high grade/quality plywood (if you can afford it,marine plywood).

Do you already have outer and inner dimensions/measurements of the box/cab planned out?

Do you have your ventilation planned out?

Get back to me and I'll help ya out best I can.

 

[temunator]

http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/prod/300CFL the cfl
ventilation : pc fans or some other small fans
measurements: not planned cuz i suck at this part ... this is where i need IC
wood: i think ill go with the marine plywood just need to check if we got it around here ^^
i think ill also build me a small cloner out of a rubbermaid lunchbox^^

ill also order some C99 from ********* as soon as they got some (is it good for sog?)

 

[durtbag]

Maybe you can use some idea's off of my box?
I used to feel that 3/4" was the stuff to use. I've built afew. But you can save butt-loads of money if you build a frame and skin it with some quality Luan.
This box by far is way more structually sound, and a hell-of-alot lighter to too!
I just finished installing a digi. timer in the top right face of the box. I have to say that it looks pretty damn good sittin in there. I'll have to get some photo's of it later if ya want?

 

[Jnugg]

This is what I would do if I were you since that bulb only seems to have a lumen rating of maybe 16,000 lumens.

300/3 = 100w/sq.foot
16,000/3 = 5333 lumens/sq.foot.

That's alot of watts/sq.foot but hardly any lumens/sq.foot.You can pull a full grow under that light in that sized area but I don't know about the quality of the end result/product.

What I would do is save up twice what you were going to pay for that CFL bulb and buy this:

MaxiBright 250w H.I.D.

It comes with all you need...reflector,bulb,ballast,lamp and power cords and is only UK79.95.

250/4 = 62.5w/sq.foot
28,500/4 = 7,125 lumens/sq.foot

That's just right IMO.

Do yourself the favor and save up for the 250w H.I.D.

If you get the 250w H.I.D. I would make the flowering area 2' x 2' and use your T5 in the mother clone area that measures 2' x 1.5'.

I suggest using 3/4" thick wood.

Outer dimensions would be 2'1.5" x 3'8.25" x 4'11"

Inner dimensions for each chamber

Flowering: 2' deep x 2' wide x 4'9.5" tall

Mother/Clone: 2' deep x 1.5' wide x 49.5" tall

For ventilation of the mother/veg you can get away with pc/axial fans but for the flowering section I'd reccomend a 6" S&P TD-150 mixed vent @ full speed/power hooked to a can 33.That fan should be enough to cool the light,keep the grow well ventilated and cool.

 

[temunator]

not sure if i understand the measurements right cuz im german and we got meters and centimeters
but its 2feet1.5inch x 3feet8.25inch x 4feet11inch as outer dimensions right?
electric things will be on the outer back of the cab for security and stealth reasons (is that okay?

money shouldnt be a problem cuz i will buy most of the things i need from the money i will get for christmas (probably around 600$ whats more than enough i think^^)

 

[Jnugg]

not sure if i understand the measurements right cuz im german and we got meters and centimeters
but its 2feet1.5inch x 3feet8.25inch x 4feet11inch as outer dimensions right?
electric things will be on the outer back of the cab for security and stealth reasons (is that okay?

money shouldnt be a problem cuz i will buy most of the things i need from the money i will get for christmas (probably around 600$ whats more than enough i think^^)

You got it.2 feet1.5" x 3 feet 8.25" x 4 feet 11"

Once you have it built all you need to do is igure out which side will be which (flower or mother/clone)then measure from the wall that will be the flowering side out 2'and mark with a pencil,then measure 3/4" from the mark and mark that...this will give you a straight line to line up the middle wall that seprates the two chambers so you can make sure that the flowering area measures 2' deep x 2' wide and that the mother/clone area measures 2' deep x 1.5' wide.

Then all you have to do is hang your light/reflector,make passive intakes,cut out your hole for the exhuast fan and drill some holes to run the power cords from the fan and light out the backof the box to the electrical outlets/surge protector.

Of course you'll befine having the electrical out the back of the box (surge protector/outlets,timers) and I strongly advise this as it helps to minimize the heat build up in the grow cab it self.

I would also strongly advise venting the hot exhuast air into the attic or out a window or into an unused room that could use some heating during the winter/colder months.


Now as far as how many plants/2l soda bottles you can fit in the flowering area.....

Lets say that the 2l bottles take up 4" of space and you have an area that takes up 2' x 2' or 24" x 24"

24/4 = 6 2l bottles.So you could fit 9 2l bottles/sq.foot. so a total of 36 2l soda bottles max in that area.

If you get 3.5 grams dried and cured per finished plant then the total overall yield if yielded all at once would be 126 grams or 4.5 ounces.That would equate to .5 grams/watt...decent grow as decent grows start around .5g/watt and excellent grows up to 1g/watt and higher.

Now since there are 6 rows of 6 plants we can't really harvest every 2 weeks unless using a 12 week strain (2 x 6 = 12).But we can harvest every 1.5 weeks if using an 8-9 weeks strain.Or if you really wanted to harvest every 2 weeks using an 8 week strain you could use less plants like 6 2l bottle x 4 2l bottles for a total of 24 plants harvesting either four or six plants every 2 weeks.This might even bump yield a little like maybe to 7 grams/plant dried and cured for a total of 168 grams or 6 ounces.

 

[temunator]

jnugg ur a angel lolz that helped me alot
okay i got rows of 6 plants .... ill take 8-10 cuttings and root them (6 will go in the flowering room but ill take more cuz u never know if they all root)1 week after the first 6 are in ill take new ones .....after the last 6 ones are in i need to wait 2 weeks and the first 6 should be ready ... they will be replaced right after i pulled them out ill go with 45-50 days strains...got afghani#1 from sensi already they should be ~45days if u can believe the breeders pack^^ C99 also 50 days

did this small painting with sketchup 7 (first time used^^) to show u what i think it will look like
air will go in on the right side (clones/moms) go through the wall and hit the flowering plants before it leafes the room on the left side^^

 

[temunator]

talked to my dad and looks like ill start building the box within the next 4 weeks^^(he will help me building it xD)

just need some help with the ventilation ^^ hot air/air out will go through a diy filter and then in a small cab i got old stuff in^^ or in the small room i got inder my bed/couch thing^^

and ill use a Sonlight HPS-TS 250W with 35000 lumens 6000 more than the old lamp ^^

 

[Jnugg]

just need some help with the ventilation ^^ hot air/air out will go through a diy filter and then in a small cab i got old stuff in^^ or in the small room i got inder my bed/couch thing^^

and ill use a Sonlight HPS-TS 250W with 35000 lumens 6000 more than the old lamp ^^

Hmmm...I urge you to dump the exhuast out into the attic or out a window via window box,or to another room.If you dump the hot exhuast air into your room the box sits in and draws it's air from you will be raising the rooms air temperature in return raising the growboxes air temperature thus opening a can of worms.

I was always taught that if you're going to do something then you better do it right.

Big ups on the Sonlight 250w HPS having 35,000 lumens...that equates to 8,750 lumens/sq.foot....way to go mang!


What kind of exhuast fan will you be using?You're going to want either a quality inline centrifugal or a bigger S&P mixed vent....especially if you plan on using a carbon filter.

I'd look into a 4"-6" inline centrifugal or 6" S&P TD-150 or 8" TD-200.You could also set your box up so that the flowering section has it's own exhuast and passive intake and then exhuast the mother/clone/veg chamber lit by T5's with those PC fans and passive intakes....just a thought.

 

[temunator]

both of my windows are right next to a street with alot traffic how bout to let the hot air just go in my room temps in my room are around 60-68°F all the year^^

dont know what fans ... shouldnt be too loud and also dont know anything bout wiring fans xD

they also should be inside the cab to be more stealth^^

till now i got on my list to buy
lights Sonlight HPS-TS 250W
soil ATAMI JANECOMIX Soil(maybe something else)
wood,screws,mylar,tape

 

[temunator]

the closet will be in the basement and the hot air will go out in our garden^^

 

[temunator]

i decided to go with my budbox s (75x75x100 cm) and a new clonebox from ebay but the closet will be built next year 100%

 

[Think Green]

Ive got a 4' X 4' X 7' grow cab made from pvc and I still cant get a perpetual system going. I think maybe I smoke too much.