Give It A Chance

[dongle69]

How could you not need ventilation?
Do you mean you have a sealed room with co2?
If you aren't burning/injecting your own co2, plants most definitely need ventilation to get the co2 they require.

 

[LEDGirl]

How could you not need ventilation?
Do you mean you have a sealed room with co2?
If you aren't burning/injecting your own co2, plants most definitely need ventilation to get the co2 they require.

I had no CO2 for 6 weeks, running the plants at 90 degrees with zero issues in a sealed environment. They produced extremely dank buds, and I actually got more yield than I was expecting for not having CO2. I visit the room regularly, bringing fresh air in and out with me, and I also supplied CO2 via my breathing while in the room lol. So in my experience, no, ventilation is not required for LED lights. If you're ventilating to make up the extra 100ppm CO2 lost in your room vs atmospheric, then ok, but that has NOTHING to do with the lights.

 

[dongle69]

Manual ventilation by opening the door and breathing?
That is some funny stuff right there.

 

[LEDGirl]

Manual ventilation by opening the door and breathing?
That is some funny stuff right there.

Thought you might like that lol

 

[Sam the Caveman]

http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/10e1eb0d5e007932ab311b962a66468386748b1c_m.gif

 

[Centrum]

Do we have any testers running these led?

Would be nice to see a few people run these for reference.

Its really hard to believe the results, as we have seen others run side by side and dismal results where accomplished.

As skeptical as i am i look forward to seeing myself and others proved wrong and getting rid of the heavy duty HID for a lower cost LED.

I just hope this isn't about money and advertising, I followed your link

http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/263735-stinkbud-inspired-aero-nft-ledgirl.html

I would really like to see a well documented grow with your LED lights by a few members (not just MODS).

I Understand the forums enforcement of giving you a chance because your money is forcing them to try and bias our opinions, but until we have
seen the results i think your doomed to our skepticism.

Good luck, I really do hope your LEDS are what you claim and your the next messiah in grow equipment.

 

[mrwags]

Damn some of you all are like some of the scientist at the Organic Section. Smart as hell got the math and the equations to boot but IMHO I could give 2 shits wether or not this thing could send me to the moon or not all I care about is how it's gonna grow some BUDS plain and simple. Fight over the math the led's the new versus the old who gives a shit does the damn thing work. I to got a tracking # and will be posting pics as soon as it come's.

LEDGirl some of these post don't need replied to. Let them eat crow or say nananana in the coming weeks.

But once again IMHO I bet were gonna need some good recipes for crow

NOW STOP THE FIGHTING PEOPLE

Mr.Wags

 

[Tropical Rain]

You very defensive about something, why may I ask?

I haven't slandered your product, in the least frankly don't ever insult me as I do not know anything about anything.

If you were to have said that new bulbs have been released within the last 8 months then I woud have understood. But dont insult me and act as if I do not understand electronic circuits. Basis and principal.

I am not here to bash your tech.

Nor do I appreciate you twisting my statements.

A customer and personal friend, yielded just over a pound with 252W of our LED's over a 2' x 2' section of her aero tray. So can you yield higher than a pound with our 318W? Absolutely. But as you know, lighting is not the only factor affecting bud growth though. Room temp, humidity, nutrients, grow medium, co2, and strain also make a big difference on yield. So each gardener will have their own results according to their individual setups, but over a pound is certainly achievable.

My friend is in no way a professional grower, but she is pretty darn good at it. Assuming that you're likely a bit better than her, I would expect you to be able to do 1.5lbs and possibly a little more with a single 318W unit over a 4' x 2' area. In my personal garden I'm running 754W over that same sized area, and am expecting a total yield between 3-4 pounds (6-8 ounces per plant).

How may plants?
What strain?
Did she use c02?
Temp / Humid?

I will wait and see if this is reproduced here on icmag.
If it is done, an fairly easy?
Well
252W LED = Over 1 LB

Untill then I will read and observe, fair enough?

Thanks,
TR

 

[LEDGirl]

You very defensive about something, why may I ask?

Because of the amount of bull shit I have to put up with day-in, day-out from people who either can't read, refuse to read, or simply like causing drama on threads. I'm sick of being attacked for presenting information, sick of being called a fake/fraud/liar, and I'm tired of giving people MORE information than ANY OTHER COMPANY in the world selling ANY TYPE OF GROW LIGHT, and them still saying it's not good enough.

Put yourself in my shoes, and try to not get defensive when you're dealing with people telling you that you're full of shit. Or when you give someone all the numbers and they still want to tell you it's crap (even though the numbers come from a HID manufacturers page!). Or how about when people who have no experience with LED's, make statements such as these:

We are talking lamp correct? even higher spec (more costly bulbs) are not where they are needed to be to produce.

I also have to believe that MJ grown under LED lamps also has a tendency to make your house smell like a bloody opium den.

If people would just watch without pitching their BS, or simply ask valid questions about the demonstration, then it would be great! Instead, I get people making bogus statements about LED who have no experience with it, or people saying my customers put their plants under our LED's simply to snap a photo, and that they were growing the whole time under HID. ARE YOU KIDDING? Why the hell would they spend $1600 on 4 lights, not use their return policies, and only use the LED to swap out for photos? That's INSANE! It does them ZERO benefit, but hey, that's the kind of crap I get to deal with from members on sites like this. Not even customer grow journals are enough to make them happy, they just tell me my customers are liars too.

If you were to have said that new bulbs have been released within the last 8 months then I woud have understood. But dont insult me and act as if I do not understand electronic circuits. Basis and principal.

So new bulbs explains why my lights work, and why almost every other LED grow light still falls flat on its face in bloom? Sorry, how do new bulbs make you understand anything? Of the 300+ companies in the world making LED Grow Lights, if it was the bulbs that were the problem, all of their lights would now work fantastic according to your theory! The reason my lights are better has nothing to do with bulbs, everything to do with spectral output and light intensity. I guess to put it bluntly: I'm smarter than the other companies developing LED technology which is why my lights are superior.

 

[LEDGirl]

Do we have any testers running these led?

Would be nice to see a few people run these for reference.

I would really like to see a well documented grow with your LED lights by a few members (not just MODS).

I Understand the forums enforcement of giving you a chance because your money is forcing them to try and bias our opinions, but until we have
seen the results i think your doomed to our skepticism.

4 moderators on this forum have LED Grow Lights currently on the way to them. They should all receive their lights by Friday, and several of them will have grow journals started next week. Of all the people on the forum, they are the most respected, straight-shooting individuals around. They are instructed to give a fair and honest evaluation of our lights, nothing else, and to provide a quality grow demonstration for all of you. With 4 of them, it's going to be very hard for any of you to argue their results, or say that they put the plants under HID for the whole grow and swapped it to LED for pictures. If you have a problem with the moderators, then I guess you should take it up with them. If you want to see a "member" of the forum post a journal, then by all means feel free to purchase a light and be the first! Quit asking everyone else to do it for you. I've sold several lights to members on this forum already, but it's up to them whether or not they post a journal. And what is this "not just mods" crap? Are you guys seriously questioning their credibility???

My money is not forcing this forum to bias anything, it simply allows me the ability to post here and present my product with certain capabilities. One of those capabilities is post editing or deleting within my own forum (of which I edited your post already). I don't appreciate people eluding to the fact that my own customers are frauds and liars, posting pictures under LED and growing HID as you suggested in your edited statement. It just shows that no matter how many people do a test, and no matter how many people love my lights, you skeptics will always find a way to turn an ignorant eye to it.

 

[irishboy]

if you guys want to see a fair grow test with leds i am doing one right now. ive been growing with Pro source leds for some time, and ive been seeing both of these companys claiming they have the best leds around so i decided to do a side by side test with led girl 126w vs a pro source 180w. i am just regular fourm member that dosent realy give a $hit whos light dose better!! i just care about getting some decint yeild from one or both of these lights. i cant compaire these lights to hid because i am not using hid. you can bet if you go on any fourm and see that i am respected for my led grows and i dont give BS claims my user name is the same on all fourms. but you will only find my growes using Pro source leds because that what i started out growing with. i just strated flowering last saterday with both lights.

here are my growes if this can help anyone out.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2842505#post2842505

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-g...ro-grow-led-vs-180w-pro-source-led-light.html

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/436515-90w-led-ufo-tri-ban-grow.html

http://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/261310-led-grow-test-126w-hydro.html

http://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/218632-my-90watt-led-ufo-tri.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-g...vs-180w-pro-source-led-light.html#post2033244

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/173829-my-90watt-led-ufo-tri-ban.html

their is all the proof that i dont make up BS, and that will show you that i deff dont favor the 126w from the getgo i was all pro source then.

 

[ToughGirl]

"I also have to believe that MJ grown under LED lamps also has a tendency to make your house smell like a bloody opium den."

Perhaps I'm not wording that right. Any Mj grown under any light regardless if it's cfl/hid/led/fluro/windowsill is going to make your house smell like heavy duty pot. Anyone that grows is aware of it. But what I'm reading from people is that you won't need an exhaust system (because they are only thinking of heat problems), and that's simply not the case. Venting heat and smell work hand in hand. I'm not saying only mj grown with LED's makes your house smell, ALL POT MAKES YOUR HOUSE SMELL!

I've read again and again that if you switch to LED's then exhaust is unnecessary. And that's correct if you are growing tomatoes or vegetables, or looking at heat issues only. The truth is if you're growing MJ without a good filter and blower, you're just asking for trouble. If people want to throw caution to the wind, power to them.

I'm not bashing your product by any means, I'm trying to look at the whole picture sensibly, as well as responsibly.

 

[overmyhead]

"I also have to believe that MJ grown under LED lamps also has a tendency to make your house smell like a bloody opium den."

Perhaps I'm not wording that right. Any Mj grown under any light regardless if it's cfl/hid/led/fluro/windowsill is going to make your house smell like heavy duty pot. Anyone that grows is aware of it. But what I'm reading from people is that you won't need an exhaust system (because they are only thinking of heat problems), and that's simply not the case. Venting heat and smell work hand in hand. I'm not saying only mj grown with LED's makes your house smell, ALL POT MAKES YOUR HOUSE SMELL!

I've read again and again that if you switch to LED's then exhaust is unnecessary. And that's correct if you are growing tomatoes or vegetables, or looking at heat issues only. The truth is if you're growing MJ without a good filter and blower, you're just asking for trouble. If people want to throw caution to the wind, power to them.

I'm not bashing your product by any means, I'm trying to look at the whole picture sensibly, as well as responsibly.

You can scrub the air without venting out - just set a fan on top of the filter and let it rip. Some might still have to exhaust due to humidity issues but for those running a sealed room not having to exhaust heat, even with aircooled lights could simplify things a whole lot.

 

[sx646522]

Perhaps I'm not wording that right. Any Mj grown under any light regardless if it's cfl/hid/led/fluro/windowsill is going to make your house smell like heavy duty pot. Anyone that grows is aware of it. But what I'm reading from people is that you won't need an exhaust system (because they are only thinking of heat problems), and that's simply not the case. Venting heat and smell work hand in hand. I'm not saying only mj grown with LED's makes your house smell, ALL POT MAKES YOUR HOUSE SMELL!

You're right, that makes a lot more sense than your previous post. Your original wording did make it sound like you were talking about LEDs creating plants having more concentrated odors. Since odor is strain dependent, one might imply that you were almost saying plants under LED were also more potent, if one were to equate smell with potency within the same strain...

I've found that plants in a room under full flower can go through the available CO2 within a non-enriched room in 4-5 minutes. Once levels drop under 190-200ppm (about 1/2 that in normal air), growth virtually slows to a halt.

So you will always need either a natural or artificial CO2 source within the room, and proper air exchange will also help keep relative humidity levels in check as the plants transpire. At least there is significantly less evaporation with LED vs. HPS due to the lack of heat. (As I run hydro, not having to top up the reservoir every day will be a blessing.) So either constant air exchange and venting, or periodic air exchange with enriched CO2 - or some middle ground between the two.

But I don't have a ventilation system for cooling. My grow is 15' underground, with super high ceilings, I have no heat problems, but I do have smell problems.

You are very much the exception to the rule. Most folks would give their left ovary to grow in a dry subterranean cavern that is cool year round!

I've read again and again that if you switch to LED's then exhaust is unnecessary. And that's correct if you are growing tomatoes or vegetables, or looking at heat issues only. The truth is if you're growing MJ without a good filter and blower, you're just asking for trouble. If people want to throw caution to the wind, power to them.

Less frequent, possibly. Unnecessary - probably not, for most folks. That would be like putting a bag over one's head and trying to breathe. Unless you've got scuba gear or are just into autoerotic asphyxiation, probably not a good idea.

Damn some of you all are like some of the scientist at the Organic Section. Smart as hell got the math and the equations to boot but IMHO I could give 2 shits wether or not this thing could send me to the moon or not all I care about is how it's gonna grow some BUDS plain and simple. Fight over the math the led's the new versus the old who gives a shit does the damn thing work....

LEDGirl some of these post don't need replied to. Let them eat crow or say nananana in the coming weeks...

NOW STOP THE FIGHTING PEOPLE. Mr.Wags

Exactly. Like an old basketball coach I knew used to say, "You can't teach height."

The same sentiment applies to lots of people:

"You can't educate stupid."


Ignorance is temporary, and can be treated with the right patience, compassion, and understanding.

Stupidity, however, is an incurable condition.


Fortunately, the gene pool tends to weed them out after a couple generations. (Though some folks might prefer they stay around in order to become the backbone of a low-paid labor force that is incapable of becoming upwardly mobile, easily brainwashed through the media, and highly malleable...)

-----

People are always asking for handouts. Don't like the journals you're seeing? Then buy a light and do your own damn journal. Put up, or shut up - it's that simple.

Or wait ten years for all the Consumer Reports reliability data to come out to determine whether you still want to buy that Toyota. As for the rest, they will have put their money where their mouth is long before that point. You figure out who ends up losing out in the end.

As for 'doctored' photos: There are some folks out there who still believe the moon landing never happened (except on a sound stage in Arizona), OJ was innocent, and Fox News is actually Fair and Balanced...

And former Vice President Dan Quayle still thinks the Holocaust happened somewhere in Indiana.


"Folks, you can't save everyone - just pray you're not living next door to them when they decide to go off." -Dennis Miller

Cheers,

-SX

 

[IWanaGetHiSoHi]

You were running 4000 watts HID in a 5 X 6 and you base part of your arguments on them wasting Lumens? It's no wonder your HID buds were light and wispy (heat stressed) and the LED buds were Nice ... you stacked the deck against the HIDs. That doesn't sound very scientific. You're kind of dodging the canopy penetration issue too. How far from the source does the luminosity of your Diode Emission travel? Just a tip ... The light meter test would have shut some people up if the results were close or in favor of the LEDs.

 

[ToughGirl]

You're right, that makes a lot more sense than your previous post. Your original wording did make it sound like you were talking about LEDs creating plants having more concentrated odors. Since odor is strain dependent, one might imply that you were almost saying plants under LED were also more potent, if one were to equate smell with potency within the same strain...

Actually I just quoted my previous post I guess I had to elaborate a bit more.

I think what's going on is that people attack LED's so much that users and manufacturers are on the defensive all the time. I'm not attacking anyone, I'm stating fact based on experience. And this is an MJ forum, not a horticulture forum or an advertisement. A lot of newbies are excited and swayed by all of the good aspects of growing with LED's, power consumption, heat problems etc. But on a forum such as this, we all have to use some honesty and give good advice. Thinking you can grow MJ without using ventilation (even without heat issues), is irresponsible.

I know LEDgirl is doing a fantastic job explaining her lights, and what they do, all the while being criticized non-stop. Whether or not your house smells like a pot farm isn't her concern. However, heating issues are her concern. I'm just giving an opinion, and a little good advice. Smell will get you popped. Especially if you're living in a city, or an apartment, or anywhere with close neighbors. Even though we can't smell it like everyone else (we become immune to it I swear), other people will.

So to sum things up, if you're growing with LED's you're not gonna need ventilation. But you're still gonna need ventilation...

 

[Rigga Mortis]

Hi, i'm a potential grower. I've been doing research on growing and LED is the way i would want to grow. The potential problems with my plan are that i live on a ground floor apartment and have no real way of venting out any exhaust from a grow tent to outside as ducting would be noticed.

My question is can i use a filter in the the tent and vent out into the room i'm planning to grow in, and use suplimental odour control like a ozone generator or would a ozone generator be enough to eliminate odours without having the fan and filter. Also would i need to bring in fresh air from outside or would the air in the room be enough?

Cheers and any info would be apreciated.

 

[LEDGirl]

You can scrub the air without venting out - just set a fan on top of the filter and let it rip. Some might still have to exhaust due to humidity issues but for those running a sealed room not having to exhaust heat, even with aircooled lights could simplify things a whole lot.

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is what I do in my own garden. You have to use Carbon Filters like that when you are in a sealed environment running CO2 like me.

 

[imnotcrazy]

"You have to use Carbon Filters like that when you are in a sealed environment running CO2 like me. "

You upgrade from opening the door to "Day Laborer CO2 Supplementation"???

 

[LEDGirl]

You were running 4000 watts HID in a 5 X 6 and you base part of your arguments on them wasting Lumens? It's no wonder your HID buds were light and wispy (heat stressed) and the LED buds were Nice ... you stacked the deck against the HIDs. That doesn't sound very scientific. You're kind of dodging the canopy penetration issue too. How far from the source does the luminosity of your Diode Emission travel? Just a tip ... The light meter test would have shut some people up if the results were close or in favor of the LEDs.

Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about in your first sentence. Quite honestly, you just look like another person trying to start a flame war for their 5 seconds of fame.

My HID buds weren't light and wispy, but thanks for making that assessment with ZERO knowledge of my garden prior to LED, and nothing to base your information off of. Baseless claims like the ones you're making, are not tolerated in my forum. Consider this your warning.

When running 4,000W HID, I also ran 1,000W A/C constantly, keeping my temps consistently between 85-90 degrees with CO2, as they are now with LED. So same environmental conditions, same nutes, same systems, different lights. I use less than 1/3 the overall power from before, and my results are better. SO ya, totally "STACKED THE DECK" on that one huh? My god some of you people are ridiculous.

Canopy penetration, I AM DODGING THE ISSUE? Where the hell you been? Maybe try reading more than 1 thread in this forum before making bull shit accusations like that. I am the ONLY company that doesn't dodge those questions, so again knock it off. The reason I supply 30 and 60 degree lights is specifically for penetration issues (DUH). The 60 degrees (as stated xxxxx times before) can grow plants up to 42" tall, while 12" above the plants, equal to a 1000W HID as far as penetration is concerned. Our 30 degree will penetrate a plant up to 72" tall with the same characteristics. I don't need a light meter to show what my grow demonstrations already have: that the bottom buds with our LED's are as big as quarters when the plant is alive.