kushkommander
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can anyone tell me where I can find the same size mesh replacement screens for the okief tube besides the website?
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Butane honey oil for dummies
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kushkommander
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here a picture for all of you fine icmaggers....
Beach Bum420
Member
Very nice thread
Very nice thread
I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I have been a BHO fan for years as well as an ISO fan. The biggest difference is that the ISO extraction can be done as soon as you harvest......no drying and cure time required.
Cooking off the alcohol in a double boiler does vaporize a lot of the terps but none of the thc.
The terps that vaporize in the iso process contain most of the ingredients that give the oil flavor and aroma. I only use a vape for both type of oil. The high is the same for both, but the ISO is much smoother with almost no odor or taste.
I like using this when I have a small party( espicially when my In-laws come over for dinner....I use one of those flameless candles that heats scented oil....put a nice chunk of hash oil in there with just a little of the scented oil in with it. turn it up to high and it heats the iso oil to the perfect temp for vaporizing (400 deg F)...everyone has a great time (my in-laws love me LOL)
Peace and Love to all
Very nice thread
I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I have been a BHO fan for years as well as an ISO fan. The biggest difference is that the ISO extraction can be done as soon as you harvest......no drying and cure time required.
Cooking off the alcohol in a double boiler does vaporize a lot of the terps but none of the thc.
The terps that vaporize in the iso process contain most of the ingredients that give the oil flavor and aroma. I only use a vape for both type of oil. The high is the same for both, but the ISO is much smoother with almost no odor or taste.
I like using this when I have a small party( espicially when my In-laws come over for dinner....I use one of those flameless candles that heats scented oil....put a nice chunk of hash oil in there with just a little of the scented oil in with it. turn it up to high and it heats the iso oil to the perfect temp for vaporizing (400 deg F)...everyone has a great time (my in-laws love me LOL)
Peace and Love to all
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otherwhitemeat
Gang, I been searching around and found a thread on a competing site on how to build you own BHO extractor out of ABS plastic. The Posters words:
"ABS DOES NOT REACT WITH BUTANE IN ANYWAY!!!! ABS IS ALSO SAFE ENOUGH TO INJECT INTO YOUR ARM ITS THE MAIN INGREDIENT IN BLACK TATTOO INK DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD WITH UN-RESEARCHED CLAIMS.
Look it up if you don't believe me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abs_plastic"
Not sure if I can/should post the link here, but if anyone's curious let me know and I will provide more info. Curious what the old hands here think of this?
"ABS DOES NOT REACT WITH BUTANE IN ANYWAY!!!! ABS IS ALSO SAFE ENOUGH TO INJECT INTO YOUR ARM ITS THE MAIN INGREDIENT IN BLACK TATTOO INK DO NOT CLUTTER THIS THREAD WITH UN-RESEARCHED CLAIMS.
Look it up if you don't believe me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abs_plastic"
Not sure if I can/should post the link here, but if anyone's curious let me know and I will provide more info. Curious what the old hands here think of this?
kushkommander
Member
ill stick with stainless steel 
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otherwhitemeat
The part that really bugs me about that thread is that the site has locked and stickied it based on the wikipedia link. I pinged the mods to beg that they open the thread for debate and I got banned. IMO, it's a chance not worth taking. One can get a SS turkey baster for $5. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't crazy...I can't imagine why a site would lock and sticky this info when it could be killing ppl 10 years from now. Oh well, at least it's not icmag...
Here's what my friend, a chemist had to say about ABS:
"ABS is a polymer. Composed of several very carcinogenic and dangerous monomers. NOTHING is 100%, no polymer ever finishes 100%. There are ALWAYS monomers. When you complete the manufacturing of ABS there is styrene, polybutadiene, and acrylonitrile and perhaps other monomers all over the surface. (Look at the MSDS for these!!!!!!) If the manufacturer doesn't properly QC the end result, or if it's made in China--you might as well be playing russian roulette. They don't get dissolved per se, but can reach the final solution being mechanically rinsed off the polymer (ABS) surface. Read the MSDS on styrene, would YOU want to smoke it even at .01% in solution? Hell at even .0001%? Just because some fool tells you they make tattoos out of it, you are going to smoke it? A tattoo is inert (and it is not burned before ingesting!) under the skin and does not really interact after a period of a few weeks. You are doing supercritical fluid extraction with a petroleum derivative in a pressurized, state changing process and have no idea of the final outcome. Stainless steel (for the most part) and glass are chemically inert to butane, I would recommend using those."
Here's what my friend, a chemist had to say about ABS:
"ABS is a polymer. Composed of several very carcinogenic and dangerous monomers. NOTHING is 100%, no polymer ever finishes 100%. There are ALWAYS monomers. When you complete the manufacturing of ABS there is styrene, polybutadiene, and acrylonitrile and perhaps other monomers all over the surface. (Look at the MSDS for these!!!!!!) If the manufacturer doesn't properly QC the end result, or if it's made in China--you might as well be playing russian roulette. They don't get dissolved per se, but can reach the final solution being mechanically rinsed off the polymer (ABS) surface. Read the MSDS on styrene, would YOU want to smoke it even at .01% in solution? Hell at even .0001%? Just because some fool tells you they make tattoos out of it, you are going to smoke it? A tattoo is inert (and it is not burned before ingesting!) under the skin and does not really interact after a period of a few weeks. You are doing supercritical fluid extraction with a petroleum derivative in a pressurized, state changing process and have no idea of the final outcome. Stainless steel (for the most part) and glass are chemically inert to butane, I would recommend using those."
its not the temps. temps used in butane are quite varied too, its the solvent. ISO is not good at grabbing terpenes, its simple. its either that, or when it does extract them it wrecks them in the process destroying their aromatic powers.
ya no matter what any iso i make smells the same.
Capn
Member
I dunno HMK. I've disolved BHO in iso and re-evaped the ISO and it smelled/tasted the same. I just used way lower tempuratures to evap the iso, and it took a way longer time. Usually I'll evap the Iso over boiling water.
I'm still thinking its tempurature related. Guess i'll find out when i evap my BHO over boiling water this next time.
I'm still thinking its tempurature related. Guess i'll find out when i evap my BHO over boiling water this next time.
Beach Bum420
Member
High...err hi that is NG:
No my in laws dont have a clue what is buzzing them so good....they probably think it's the wine I make LOL
Da Beach Bum
No my in laws dont have a clue what is buzzing them so good....they probably think it's the wine I make LOL
Da Beach Bum
Beach Bum420
Member
Hello Capn:
It is the temps. This info came directly from my M.D. I have Copd and the aromatic terpenes in bho and even more so in weed causes some adverse effects in my broncial tubes. The ISO oul cooked off with a double boiler as hot as the water will get (about 225 to 230F with a candy thermometer) eliminates nearly all of it. I have some other health issues that MMJ and ot the extracts there of help much better than any prescription drugs avaliable. If you dilute and then cook off your bho with ISO or pure ethanol it will surprise you how netural it is in everything but the kick.
Peace and love to all....
Da Beach Bum
It is the temps. This info came directly from my M.D. I have Copd and the aromatic terpenes in bho and even more so in weed causes some adverse effects in my broncial tubes. The ISO oul cooked off with a double boiler as hot as the water will get (about 225 to 230F with a candy thermometer) eliminates nearly all of it. I have some other health issues that MMJ and ot the extracts there of help much better than any prescription drugs avaliable. If you dilute and then cook off your bho with ISO or pure ethanol it will surprise you how netural it is in everything but the kick.
Peace and love to all....
Da Beach Bum
i dont agree its the temperatures, still. butane extracts lots of terpenes, ISO does not, or does not retain the terpenes. butane oil can be brought to quite a high temperature and still retain much more terpenes then ISO oil. I have seen and smoked some good ISO oil, and also butane oil made from the same weed, and there is no comparison in the taste department.
Capn
Member
I've made Iso and butane oil that tastes/smells the same tho, thats my only dillema with that conclusion. My method just involved a really long iso evaporation. Water temps never exceeded simmering.
Butane is so much faster and cleaner though, no point to ever use ISO once butane has been made availible, only downside to butane is finding a reasonable price for it. 7$ a can for vector is to much!
Butane is so much faster and cleaner though, no point to ever use ISO once butane has been made availible, only downside to butane is finding a reasonable price for it. 7$ a can for vector is to much!
kushkommander
Member
agreed & a can is too expensive, when I buy my cases I get them for about 3-4 a can, I just got this other butane called lava, supposed to be best butane in the world....same price for a case of vector but the cans are half the size :/ it works out nicely if you have the small okief tube as you dont always need a full 320ml can of vector, but still vector is best for your buck imo
anyone else ever use lava?
Hey there all, does anyone here dump there extracted product straight into warm water instead of glass pyrex. I`ve found it to be way easier to collect.
Sorry if its already covered here, its a long thread to read right the way through.
Toke
Sorry if its already covered here, its a long thread to read right the way through.
Toke
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