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Is civilization about to fall?
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The chinese got it right. One child per couple or you get your balls whacked off.
bakelite
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Addressing the issue of world population growth is not very popular right now. Instead they point the finger towards fossil fuel consumption/CO2 emissions and global warming as the man made evil de jour. While that is a huge issue, global population growth and the transition of third world countries into developed ones is having just as big an impact if not more on the global environment than people think it does. People don’t like the concept of a governing entity limiting their “reproductive rights”. China had to do something about their population. Continuing unchecked development around the world, new housing tracts, new roads, parking lots, strip malls, power plants, automobiles, factories, ships and airports all of which need fossil fuel to both build and maintain. The high entropy lifestyles that are created as people “progress” and join the ranks of the developed countries will continue to grow as the world population growth continues unchecked further straining both the environment as well as fuel supplies. And there is no Star Trek science to save humanity in the near future. More efficient solar cells and wind and water energy will only take us so far. Most people (at least here in the States) are too wrapped up comfortably drooling upon themselves at they gaze at their wide screen tv’s and texting and Twittering each other than to be concerned with this stuff. The issue of overpopulation directly and indirectly stresses the environment, fuel, clean water and food supplies for the entire world.
^^That was/is, an American idea...population control is actually controlled by a group of elites who call themselves bilderberg...I think they are 125 people who are all premadonnas, aka Celebrities in their own rights...with their own discipleships....andeach member is like those chinese dolls that come apart to make like 10 little chinese babes...well, this group is orchestrating everything from oil prices to what phillip morris puts in their kraft dairy and post cereal brands
...they do not make organics...and they are trying to shut organics off from the popp, aswell as access of the knowledge of quantum healing modalities,...this group is what is prodding the usa gov to meet dec1st regarding closing off the internet, and faking a internet 2.0.
WE ARE too many people on the web for the globalist elite to feel comfortable; they do not want us to wake up , out of the matrix and discover that we can heal cancer with just thoughts, from just an extraordinary species that they want to rework in their images.
K
Kola Radical
Governments are about to fail, but civilization is about to succeed.
As soon as the poor people get pissed enough and realize we don't need these small groups of wealthy elites who control us, we will rise up and throw the bastards out head first.
Then peace can finally reign in this world.
Capitalism doesn't work. Only Socialism works for everyone.
As soon as the poor people get pissed enough and realize we don't need these small groups of wealthy elites who control us, we will rise up and throw the bastards out head first.
Then peace can finally reign in this world.
Capitalism doesn't work. Only Socialism works for everyone.
Civilization is bound to proceed; materialism, monetary systems, and former methods of communication well known and used by many, may fail us.
To be civilized is an attribute which in itself will grow and mold itself to current trends and crisis, hence the words "civilization" and "to be civilized" may take on new meanings in themselves as will many other things take on new meanings or some things may finally be found meaningful whereas they were once seen as useless, either way; we are each responsible for our civilizations further growth and success in survival on this planet or others- this suggests that if we try hard enough, we may hold a bright future.
To be civilized is an attribute which in itself will grow and mold itself to current trends and crisis, hence the words "civilization" and "to be civilized" may take on new meanings in themselves as will many other things take on new meanings or some things may finally be found meaningful whereas they were once seen as useless, either way; we are each responsible for our civilizations further growth and success in survival on this planet or others- this suggests that if we try hard enough, we may hold a bright future.
Socialism is a proven failure. You may want it to work, but it is a flawed ideal that has no track record of success.
Capitalism works brilliantly, until the socialists get involved with their flawed ideologies and their less-than-learned passions.
Old school capitalism was better than today. When Eisenhower was prez, the top tax rate was 91%. General investment was protected from greedy Wall Street bankers. The middle class was strong and in turn helped make the rich richer.
The rich had to make something or provide a service for their financial gains. Now all they do is pump up every bubble that busts in our face and on Wall Street.
The rich had to make something or provide a service for their financial gains. Now all they do is pump up every bubble that busts in our face and on Wall Street.
I guarantee you that the majority of the "rich" in our nation make something or provide a service for their financial gains. Only a very small percentage of people are even in the position of manipulating funds by speculating.
And I think we will find that bubbles are only created when capitalism and the free market get sidetracked by socialistic legislation. For instance when the gov mandates providing money and houses to those who should not be provided with such money and houses.
And I think we will find that bubbles are only created when capitalism and the free market get sidetracked by socialistic legislation. For instance when the gov mandates providing money and houses to those who should not be provided with such money and houses.
all thats going to happen is for people who are conciously ready to evolve, will merge more with the higher dimensions where i reside and many other less material conciousness rerside. the mind and body reside in the 3rd dimension, time and movement are 4th and fifth dimension, loose your mind and join me, for the world will never be the same as we know it. tip, if you keep 100% perfectly still, your body is uneeded for your awareness, d
this is one of the most off-the-cuff, unsubstantiated statements I have ever heard. it is also an extremely commen fallacy heald as truth by much of the United Statesian populace.
socialism and capitalism don't exist anywhere in their pure form... EVEN in the USA. Social Security? Socialism. Medicaid? Socialism. Public Education? Socialism. So basically THE NEW DEAL, put into play by FDR, applied aspects of socialism to mitigate what had been identified as the negative aspects of capitalism. Its the New Deal that was responsible for creating the huge middle class (now under heavy attack and close to extinction) which was the engine that brought "capitalism" into its golden age.
To say that one has been a failure, while the other has been a hands-down success is... well... dumb. European countries (and Canada is you need a less... european eaxmple) with higher standards of... everything (but most obviously length and quality of life, infant mortality and the other in-your-face indicators) practice New Deal style social services (a la socialism) while still having a more free market economy (a la capitalism,) albeit a more regulated one.
They also watch less television, eat less junk food, get more exercise, have more hobbies, create less waste, have lower levels of homelessness, hunger and treatable disease. Hmmm. Food for thought.
Adam Smith, the author of the Wealth of Nations (capitalism's most important tome), wrote in it the part that every business school student reads about how awesome the capitalist division of labor would be. Unfortunately, not all the same students make it to the part in the book where Smith tells us that, unrestrained, capitalism would result in the most stupid and ignorant people the world has ever seen unless governments step in to control it.
I am not personally a supporter of pure capitalism or pure socialism. That would make me.... well, ignorant of the reality of the universe. Each of the economic philosophies has some really excellent points. The fact that you actually believe that you are forced into a choice of either PURE caitalism or PURE socialism is one of the means of control imposed on you by the media and government at the behest the business interests they represent. It is more likely a combination of the two and other economic philosophies that Americans have rarely even heard of much less studied when studying economics.
The idea that our choices are limited to total capitalism and total socialism is patently ridiculous (but a belief held my the majority of americans- boy, do they have you fooled.).
I think you may be too smart by half nomaad.
Yeah, those social programs you mentioned are all big time losers. Every one of the social items they address can be far better taken care of by the private sector. Without mandates to do so as well.
The New Deal was the first big dose of socialism our Nation has undergone. It was a bad deal then, and it is a bad deal now.
And for you to start with how much better off they are in Canada and Europe....I need to back out of this right now, and refer back to my first statement.
(good grief)
Yeah, those social programs you mentioned are all big time losers. Every one of the social items they address can be far better taken care of by the private sector. Without mandates to do so as well.
The New Deal was the first big dose of socialism our Nation has undergone. It was a bad deal then, and it is a bad deal now.
And for you to start with how much better off they are in Canada and Europe....I need to back out of this right now, and refer back to my first statement.
(good grief)
You seriously contend that education is best left to the private sector? We'd all learn weights and measures by adding up McDonald's quarter pounders. Oh shit, fractions too!
Health care? Not better (more care for less cost) in Europe and Canada? Really... I'd love to hear a good argument for this. I have lived in a number of European countries, and experienced their systems... I have even lived in a country in the developing (third) world where they had socialized medicine with a very small tax base and are neck in neck with the US in most statistical analyses that speak toward the quality of health care (some, i mentioned above) and the general health of the populace.
I don't think its a matter of intelligence, as you have suggested in your post. Rather than calling me or my ideas stupid (too smart by half, if i am not too slow to comprehend, is the same as calling me or my argument half-witted,) argue your opinion with data, evidence, ideas.
Just calling me stupid and the new deal a bad idea won't cut it. I'm interested to know the basis for your opinion that health care in Europe is not better (again, more care for less cost.) I'm also interested to know what about public education is a bad idea? Are you saying we should put it in private hands like the prison system? How would for-profit schooling work?
I am still waiting for somebody in this forum who shares your opinion (which I understand to be Captilism:Good, Soocialism:Bad) to actually back it up with a cogent argument that justifies it in such an absolute... You are not unique in your opinion nor in your inability to articulate a basis for me to embrace or reject it. Seriously... I am open to the possibility that capitalism is better than socialism... either in some ways or in the absolute. Now... make me a believer.
I'm thick skinned enough to not be bothered by being called stupid, but insult without insight is...well... lame.
Health care? Not better (more care for less cost) in Europe and Canada? Really... I'd love to hear a good argument for this. I have lived in a number of European countries, and experienced their systems... I have even lived in a country in the developing (third) world where they had socialized medicine with a very small tax base and are neck in neck with the US in most statistical analyses that speak toward the quality of health care (some, i mentioned above) and the general health of the populace.
I don't think its a matter of intelligence, as you have suggested in your post. Rather than calling me or my ideas stupid (too smart by half, if i am not too slow to comprehend, is the same as calling me or my argument half-witted,) argue your opinion with data, evidence, ideas.
Just calling me stupid and the new deal a bad idea won't cut it. I'm interested to know the basis for your opinion that health care in Europe is not better (again, more care for less cost.) I'm also interested to know what about public education is a bad idea? Are you saying we should put it in private hands like the prison system? How would for-profit schooling work?
I am still waiting for somebody in this forum who shares your opinion (which I understand to be Captilism:Good, Soocialism:Bad) to actually back it up with a cogent argument that justifies it in such an absolute... You are not unique in your opinion nor in your inability to articulate a basis for me to embrace or reject it. Seriously... I am open to the possibility that capitalism is better than socialism... either in some ways or in the absolute. Now... make me a believer.
I'm thick skinned enough to not be bothered by being called stupid, but insult without insight is...well... lame.
I have a pal, he needed triple bypass surgery. He is independently wealthy and can afford the procedure. He could not get the procedure done for like 13 months. I understood he was slated for 18 months, but the compassionate and thrifty British health care system cut the guy a big break and let him have the procedure earlier than anticipated! Yeah, a fucking great system, that socialized medicine.
I will end my debate on this issue now. Maybe go think up some more off-the-cuff stuff. (shrug)
I will end my debate on this issue now. Maybe go think up some more off-the-cuff stuff. (shrug)
Only ideology can look at numbers and disregard facts. That poor British friend doesn't have to worry about being one of 45,000 annually who die from no health care. He's not one of 47 million uninsured. He doesn't have to worry about profit potential affecting his ability to be treated.
Many medical procedures are managed in a managed health care system. They don't make the poor guy wait because there's nothing better to do. He's in line based on severity and the logistics to treat or cure his ailment. I don't know where the UK falls on health care for it's citizens but it's ass loads better than 27.
There are two personalities. One is interested in society. One is interested in self. It's hard to get past those two schools of thought.
I have to admit though, that's the first example I've seen from our conservative friend.
Many medical procedures are managed in a managed health care system. They don't make the poor guy wait because there's nothing better to do. He's in line based on severity and the logistics to treat or cure his ailment. I don't know where the UK falls on health care for it's citizens but it's ass loads better than 27.
There are two personalities. One is interested in society. One is interested in self. It's hard to get past those two schools of thought.
I have to admit though, that's the first example I've seen from our conservative friend.
Bullshit.
Show me one example of any US citizen dying because of no health care. Let alone 45,000.
There is no health care crisis in America. It just isn't so. There are problems, and the real root causes of the problems are not being addressed. Mainly because the agendas of those who are pushing for a total government takeover are far from that of "fixing" health care.
Eat the liberal spun shit cakes if you want. It was designed precisely for those of you who do indeed buy the leftest spin.
And I'll tell you what...fuck a bunch of any government deciding what the severity of my ailments are, and dictating when and where I do what I do. Fuck that. If I have the money, and I want to have surgery, I can damn well do it because I am a free man. And I live in a free country. And...it pisses me off to see folks try to fuck with my country, and my heritage. Not to mention my rights as both a US Citizen and a creation of God.
The left thinks they have the market cornered on emotions and passions...well, I think they have yet to see real passion. But if they keep fucking with us the way they are now, and shit will hit the fan big.
I'm just sayin...it's happened for less.
disfunktional
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he hasnt died yet but my x wifes husband had a heart attack at 25. he has heart disease and no insurance along with no way to pay for any care. hes been given the run around from doctors because he has no insurance. like i said he hasnt died.....yet
i gues its easy to turn a blind eye on the less fortunate when your pockets are filled.
It's an estimate by some non partisan study. That's 45,000 every year, United States, red, white and blue, woo hoo!
You have to paint with a pretty broad brush to get away with that one. Even the most conservative representatives agree reform is necessary.
No comment.
And about that "self" personality disorder:
I rest my case.
The right thinks they have the market cornered on morals, ethics and religion. You can have the religion but we know better about institutional morals and ethics.
That's what Timmy thought when he blew up the OKC building. That's what Eric thought what he blew up lotsa shit. If all you government haters knew half the shit the private sector is doing to screw you...
Oh well, wishfull thinking.
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I didn't quote any leftist spin in my opinion. You're attacking statistics that I have not cited. I said that in Europe and other places better care is provided at less cost when the profit motive is removed. your argument has been used to battle both single payer (socialized) and the public option to compete with the for-profit private insurance we already have. Are you against both?
The "death panel" argument... that's a good one. Wasn't Sarah Palin popping that one off to every camera that would look at her for a while? Excellent spokesmodel. I agree that liberal spin is hogwash. Spin is hogwash...
Let's get this straight: You're accusing me of employing the party line talking points in favor of socializing health care. Never happened. Show me where I bring this up. Then, your main arguments are the opposing party line talking points? That's not the argument I am trying to have... I could have that conversation at Denny's with the first two retards that walked through the door.
I am challenging you to have and support real ideas and you come with this?
The likelihood that capitalism OR socialism will ever provide us with the all the answers to a fair and just economy is low.
A couple of points... i don't buy any liberal bias... i think the Obama administration is just as base and corrupt as the administration before it. They are all in the pocket of big business. Its funny that you're all bent up about the pathetic little regulatory changes he may or may not make. The people you call liberals are still staunch free market capitalists... they are owned by the same corporations (with a couple of exceptions)... they are all imperialist... and they all think that something about the United States makes it more special or more important than the rest of the world... You should be careful who you call a "leftist" because liberals are far from it. They may be left of you, but they are not left of center. There is (almost) no such thing in US politics. Calling liberals "leftists" and socialized health care "socialism" is that same spin you accused me of employing.
tell me more about your "heritage"... i am interested to know what you mean by that. Is your heritage the genocide of the native inhabitants of the country or the slaves that made it rich? I am not calling you a genocidal racist at all, just trying to find out if you're a purist about your heritage or if there are some things that this country was founded on that you don't agree with slavishly.
And that last part... about how if "they keep fucking with us..."? Tell me when the last time a bourgeois populace rose up to change anything. These people are too fat and too stupid to start a revolution. Yes, you can get 40 screaming maniacs to fill up the frame of a Fox News camera or two black republicans to show up to Obama speeches with AR-15s on their back, but I can't see the milky white denizens of gated communities throwing a good revolution.
The "death panel" argument... that's a good one. Wasn't Sarah Palin popping that one off to every camera that would look at her for a while? Excellent spokesmodel. I agree that liberal spin is hogwash. Spin is hogwash...
Let's get this straight: You're accusing me of employing the party line talking points in favor of socializing health care. Never happened. Show me where I bring this up. Then, your main arguments are the opposing party line talking points? That's not the argument I am trying to have... I could have that conversation at Denny's with the first two retards that walked through the door.
I am challenging you to have and support real ideas and you come with this?
The likelihood that capitalism OR socialism will ever provide us with the all the answers to a fair and just economy is low.
A couple of points... i don't buy any liberal bias... i think the Obama administration is just as base and corrupt as the administration before it. They are all in the pocket of big business. Its funny that you're all bent up about the pathetic little regulatory changes he may or may not make. The people you call liberals are still staunch free market capitalists... they are owned by the same corporations (with a couple of exceptions)... they are all imperialist... and they all think that something about the United States makes it more special or more important than the rest of the world... You should be careful who you call a "leftist" because liberals are far from it. They may be left of you, but they are not left of center. There is (almost) no such thing in US politics. Calling liberals "leftists" and socialized health care "socialism" is that same spin you accused me of employing.
tell me more about your "heritage"... i am interested to know what you mean by that. Is your heritage the genocide of the native inhabitants of the country or the slaves that made it rich? I am not calling you a genocidal racist at all, just trying to find out if you're a purist about your heritage or if there are some things that this country was founded on that you don't agree with slavishly.
And that last part... about how if "they keep fucking with us..."? Tell me when the last time a bourgeois populace rose up to change anything. These people are too fat and too stupid to start a revolution. Yes, you can get 40 screaming maniacs to fill up the frame of a Fox News camera or two black republicans to show up to Obama speeches with AR-15s on their back, but I can't see the milky white denizens of gated communities throwing a good revolution.
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