OG Kush from BOG's genetics????????

[Chauncy]

Were you the first to find the DMT pheno or the first to rename and profit from it? Tom Hill for instance created DC but when new phenos are found, no one renames it and begins calling it there own. Do they?

I get that you put a lot of time and effort into a great project, but in my eyes the guy who is making a profit from BOG's(no matter how he got it) work shoulda been the first to say take it the pm's! Just my veiw.

Blue Sonja = 100% Blockhead from a whole 4 seed selection.

 

[tokinblackguy]

The guy has his own forum and thread so why do it like this? If you were really interested in his personal response you woulda pm'ed him and waited for a response, and got your answer and maybe even debated him a little. Lets not act like this is the right way to get down when you are suposedly after the truth. Putting it out there like you have ment you were trying to do one thing. Now we got a guy with 5 posts calling BOG out like he has a clue!

And this will offend some folks, but fuck it!!!......It does take real balls to work on a guys already established line, then claim to find(not that you didnt) a rare and previously unfound pheno of that line, market that pheno as your own, then talk shit about the same said originator, as if he was a retard who just fell into some good plants. Big steele balls.

is this directed towards me Rain? if so, i can only say that i am not taking jabs at the guy. this thread was made to get the communities input. i asked BOG more direct questions in his forum. either way, it's not something that should be hidden in a pm, he made the claim in an open forum, therefore fair game on the questions.

as to your statement about having real balls to work on a guys already established line........ well isn't that exactly what BOG did???? let's not fool ourselves here, it's not like he took some landrace strains to create his own, his lines come from White Label Bubblegum. so i ask, why is no one defending them? just because BOG found a few different phenos, is it still not WL Bubblegum? if you're gonna make the argument against Steele, you also out of fairness have to make the same argument against BOG, but we all know that's not gonna happen.

no hate Rain, debate is good, as is your insight, we just happen to disagree.
k+

 

[Jydsk]

I feel maybe this could get out of line again...so i'll chuck my 2 cents in here.

Are we not all hacking/chucking each others lines in search of something special, some doing it for a hobby and others for a living ?
Some are doing it for the community and others for the medicinal peops....

 

[Danknuggler]

I feel maybe this could get out of line again...so i'll chuck my 2 cents in here.

Are we not all hacking/chucking each others lines in search of something special, some doing it for a hobby and others for a living ?
Some are doing it for the community and others for the medicinal peops....

No.Not all are doing this.Some breeders actually travel to remote part of the globe to gather seedstock from region of origin.Then do the work.Very few even go so afar as to do this but not everybody as you say are hacking eachothers seed lines.

 

[Jydsk]

No.Not all are doing this.Some breeders actually travel to remote part of the globe to gather seedstock from region of origin.Then do the work.Very few even go so afar as to do this but not everybody as you say are hacking eachothers seed lines.

Yes you are quite right...forgot about those few who actually have the right to call it their own work.

 

[Hammerhead]

This is true but most of us are. If I had to put a % it would be 90% hacking and 10% leg work.

 

[dank.frank]

There have been a lot of really good points made here. I am glad to see that people are able to DISCUSS this in a mature manner without letting tempers flair beyond reason. I think the ability to have a discussion about stuff like this is exactly the type of behavior that is needed in order for the cannabis community to grow and mature. Far too often we get caught up on choosing sides, rather than a discussion for the sake of progression.

I think that BOG would probably be MUCH more willing to come and comment on this thread, if in fact he felt he wouldn't get chewed up and spit out for even attempting...

Keep in mind that BOG is from a different generation of growers. He is old school. He may not know or CARE about all the technical jargon and the "right" way. I can't say I have ever seen him producing articles or columns about breeding or such. I also know that there are MANY, MANY, MANY other people that have "pollen chucked" and created, by accident, some of the most favored genetics...period. I mean, some of the best genes currently being produced are UNKNOWN lineage, and came from BAG SEED. BUT...on the flip side, the results speak for themselves. BOG has produced some VERY good beans, and many medical patients have enjoyed and benefited from the results. Lets not ever lose track of what it is all supposed to be about.

The ONLY thing I can say is wrong about this entire thing...is NOT the results and the lack of knowledge that produced them, rather the claims of something that is not really able to be substantiated. It is one thing to be ignorant of the lineage, it is another to attempt to hype something by playing on peoples desires....HOWEVER, I am still not 100% convinced that it is BOG's intention, or that it ever has been to hide or mislead any one...

The fact of the matter is this....we all have taken specific phenos that are HIGHLY desirable and unique...we name them...we breed them, we call them our own...why, because it is what we do. THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.... Each and every pheno is unique and if you are the one who found it, then call it what you want!! Breed it how you choose, and if someone is willing to pay for it, well GOD BLESS CAPITALISM!!!



dank.Frank

 

[Red Swan]

I have found this to be a good and open discussion and am glad that this hasn't been closed.

There tend to be two different camps when it comes to certain breeders:

a. newbs who love cults of personality thinking that seedmakers are geniuses and can do no wrong and dont understand the expectations of experienced growers or basic botany.

b. experienced growers who know that a particular sales claim can't be true. These people also know the difference between a breeder who spends YEARS stabilizing a line and those who make random crosses ( for a limited time only of course, get em while they are hot! They won't be released again!).

There are some breeders who show their process from start to finish... threads showing hundreds of plants, the chosen two, and the generations of plants they go through. Even if they are working with other people's strains ,they work hard to stabilize particular traits.

I remember back on Overgrow, another breeder who I won't name to avoid the grief, stated :

and I paraphrase...." Bog is a phenom, what other breeders spend years doing with large populations of plants , he does in a closet ( his cave) in months. "

Then people started saying hey, this pack of LS I bought is nothing like the pack I bought 2 years ago. Hey , every single female was completely different and so on. Then it was a selling point... hey you never know what you will find.

Then when Sour D was driving seeds sales, everyone had something sour.
Even SOMA had NYCD which had no diesel in it. Then Kush and everything had kush in it. There was even a video on YouTube made by a well known bullshitter claiming OG Kush and Bubba Kush were internet inventions.

The experienced growers and those who have been on the net too long ( LOL) see the hype get old.

Trust me, OG Kush is not from BOG's genetics. I am growing OG Kush right now and trust me, no way is it a pheno from something BOG made. That's for sure. It's hype, pure and simple.

You can't defy botany.

 

[Hammerhead]

So on a lighter note where can I get me some DMT and what does it stand for ???

 

[smoke1sun]

Blue Sonja = 100% Blockhead from a whole 4 seed selection.

And this is the reason i was questions Steele's post, and hoping he could back it up. I respect him, folks speak highly of him. I never bought his beans because in my eye's they were a lil pricey for ME. IM no baller

Yeah you guys are right, alot of "breeders" use other "breeders" works. But to call BOG's practices shady, when in reality he's done the same thing. Be logical. DMT pheno or not. These are Sourbubble seeds he selling.

Am I wrong?

So he based his work off of someone, who he claims "did not do the selection properly"

Now on the other side of the fence I understand, he found a pheno, that BOG did not know even existed. And is breeding towards that, because in his eye's. It outperforms any regular pheno your gonna get from a pack of sour bubble. I fully understand that

Im not doubting or looking past this. But no matter how you dress it up. Its SourBubble. And if nothing else that should be respected.

If this was the music business, you would be sued for copyright, and would be forking over all profits made.

 

[Chauncy]

Lets be honest here guys, there isn't a single real honest to goodness breeder in the entire seed biz. The only one I have any real respect for is Tom Hill but I don't know much about the 100 other new breeders that have popped up since I've last been active on any sort of cannabis board.
All of them use low populations and it is all mainly polyhybrid junk with few notable exceptions. 99% of this junk is all overpriced.

Bog needs to show his face and soon to clear up this BS and say he just made a mistake.

Think about it, who out of any of these guys is truly stand up?

 

[Raco]

Lets be honest here guys, there isn't a single real honest to goodness breeder in the entire seed biz. The only one I have any real respect for is Tom Hill but I don't know much about the 100 other new breeders that have popped up since I've last been active on any sort of cannabis board.
All of them use low populations and it is all mainly polyhybrid junk with few notable exceptions. 99% of this junk is all overpriced.

Bog needs to show his face and soon to clear up this BS and say he just made a mistake.

Think about it, who out of any of these guys is truly stand up?

...and he gives credit...just read his sticky about the Chemist

and,of course,charlie garcia...these are my two mentors

 

[Chauncy]

...and he gives credit...just read his sticky about the Chemist

Exactly! His honesty and no bullshit attitude are so refreshing. He is one of the only non rock star wannabes.

 

[smoke1sun]

You both are right 100%. Never anything to hide. Open to any discussion.

 

[Hammerhead]

I would have to add Simon from Serious Seeds and Shanti from MR Nice they are both great guys and no bullshit. I have read some post that had some disparaging comments about them but 99.9% of the rest love his work and ethics.


I would still like to know what DMT stands for

 

[Jenn]

I have the utmost respect for ~

Tom Hill

DJ Short

Simon

Shanti

these fellas are as real as it gets.

~ Jenn

 

[2fast4u2]

Originally Posted by BushyOldGrower View Post
Find a good mom of this one and you really have something better than the OG Kush, that was originally derived from BOG genetics anyways. BOG



OK, now guys, honestly, read that sentence above, plain english. He never once mentions that og is his genetics.

English, where are you!

 

[Chauncy]

^^^ You forgot some sort of sarcasm smiley because you can't possibly be serious.

I would still like to know what DMT stands for

I'm pretty sure it is Dimethyltryptamine. I have no idea why that name would be chosen as you will never even come close to a DMT experience with cannabis...

 

[Sativa_Grows]

^^^ You forgot some sort of sarcasm smiley because you can't possibly be serious.

Sounds to me like someones just tryin to jump on the OG Kush train but I'll be patiently waiting for BOG to respond...

 

[2fast4u2]

that "something better than og kush" "that was originally derived from derived from BOG gentics" is the plant hes talking about.

Read up, og kush and chemdog 91 or one of the early affiliate phenos are one in the same.