San Diego's Finest Cuts

[Zoolander]

Nice Caligreen

 

[subrob]

ya the plants can still be grown, even w whatever virus it is, but as far as overall damage to a strain, who knows if it will hurt the genetics in the long run....and i hate to cross anything w this trait. it has somehow shown up on my gdp cut, and neither myself or bro who had it for me recirculate nutes or anything. even clone with new razors for each plant, and the rooting hormone is not reused and its poured into a shot glass(the hormone) and cleaned between each cloning session/ plant. soooo, bottom line, im not sure how it spread to her. matter of fact, when he took this cut of gdp that is now my mother, he did not have anything in his op that was effected/affected by this virus. so, shit, i dont know...

 

[Grow Tech]

Its the fucking thrips, whiteflys & other sucking pests that are spreading it...also it looks like us humans could spread it too. Here's a link-
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/ipm/veg/htms/mosvirto.htm
and here's the most relevant part -
Prevention. TMV is spread readily by touch. The virus can survive on clothing in bits of plant debris for about two years, and can easily enter a new plant from a brief contact with a worker's contaminated hands or clothing. Tobacco products can carry the virus, and it can survive on the hands for hours after touching the tobacco product. Ensure that workers do not carry or use tobacco products near the plants, and wash well (with soap to kill the virus) after using tobacco products. Ensure that workers wear clothing not contaminated with tomato, tobacco or other host-plant material. Exclude non-essential people from greenhouses and growing areas.

Choose resistant varieties. Use disease-free seed and transplants, preferably certified ones. Avoid the use of freshly harvested seed (2 years old is best if non-certified seed is used). Seed treatment with heat (2 to 4 days at 158o F using dry seed) or trisodium phosphate (10% solution for 15 minutes) has been shown to kill the virus on the outside of the seed and, often, most of the virus inside the seed as well. Care must be taken to not kill the seeds, though. Use a two-year rotation away from susceptible species. In greenhouses, it is best to use fresh soil, as steaming soil is not 100% effective in killing the virus. If soil is to be steamed, remove all parts of the plant from the soil, including roots. Carefully clean all plant growing equipment and all greenhouse structures that come into contact with plants.

When working with plants, especially when picking out seedlings or transplanting, spray larger plants with a skim milk solution or a solution made of reconstituted powdered or condensed milk. Frequently dip hands, but not seedlings, into the milk. Wash hands frequently with soap while working with plants, using special care to clean out under nails. Rinse well after washing. Tools should be washed thoroughly, soaked for 30 minutes in 3% trisodium phosphate and not rinsed..

Another method for control of this disease is to artificially inoculate plants with a weak strain of the virus. This will not cause symptoms on the plants but protect them against disease-causing strains of the virus. This is used commonly in Europe, but strains of the virus are not yet available in the United States due to concerns about the possibility of the weak virus strains causing disease on the plants.

Cucumber mosaic is spread in a nonpersistant manner by aphids. It is not spread by seed. Control weeds, many of which are host species. Surrounding tomato fields with a taller, non-susceptible plant, such as corn, may help shield the plants from aphids blowing in from other areas. See current recommendations for control of aphids, although it is generally considered that insecticides will not control this disease. The aphids pick the virus up from the plants in about a minute and are able to spread it immediately. Insecticides take longer than this to kill the aphids. Mineral oil sprays can be used to prevent the virus from being transmitted.

 

[Greyskull]

good info gt

hey cali hows he double planting action working for you so far?

 

[NOYB]

Whatever it is it's out there and have seen it. The stuff is getting around. Saw it on some Chem 4 and Chem's Sister cuts. Not strain specific but something that can be transferred IMO and like Sub said who knows what will happen in the long run. The cuts from 'infected' plants I have are not showing any symptoms. No problem in just killing every thing and starting over...except NO GDP cuts if I need to get going again...lol.

I tell y'all it's a conspiracy and the government is behind it!



Who knows really but time will tell what the story is here. Plants should not be showing issues like this and when it can go from strain-to-strain...a bit scary.

 

[Greyskull]

I tell y'all it's a conspiracy and the government is behind it!

totally

 

[Shan Diego]

My chems always throw out a twisty leaf now and then. I just tear it off. I haven't seen it spread at all, even in tight quarters and sharing a recirculating rez...

 

[Grow Tech]

Ive been doing some web searches to see if Mosaic Viruses are completely systemic ( completely throught the plant) or if localized ( a single leaf or branch) infection is possible. The biology gets really deep really fast but I'm seeing refernces to "partially systemic infections" & also discussion of the method of spread through a plant as well as things that inhibit that spread. Of course nothing is Cannabis specific.

My gut tells me that it's possible to get an uninfected cutting off a plant that has shown the earliest stages of the virus but you'd always wonder if the virus was lurking in a recessive mode since we cant test. My gut isnt always right either.

 

[Zeinth]

battle!!

battle!!

I have been battling a weird fungus...this fungi is a bright yellow mushroom.

the coco/perlite becomes choked with pre fruit growth in the coco below and starves the plant.

when the temp is 78 degrees it sends up huge mushrooms...6 inches high.

ive used neem..greencure..fugicure...bt..and a shit loads more..nothing stopps this crap.
Iam going to see exactly what this mushroom is...

 

[guest5703]

Yo Zenith Im curious as to what you find, I just recently saw one little yellow mushie on my mom plants medium.

hey cali hows he double planting action working for you so far?

Speaks for themselves dont they brotha?? haha, they are acting just as they would if they were single potted....Its sweet cuz you dont have to veg as long, just throw two plants in one pot. The pot I have a sour dubble and a purple kush in is doing fine, both plants seem to be very happy.

 

[Zeinth]

little bastards...love my coco/perlite...my boggelgum mom is suffering.

gonna cut them little shits out by hand....gonna do it real slow....ya..here a little there alittle..yellow fucks.


Leucocoprinus birnbaumii ....friging punk mushrooms...

 

[subrob]

 

[guest5703]

wtf lmao

 

[humbleguy]

Let's see some pictures of the TMV you guys are dealing with. The Critical mass cuttings I picked up from PNC are showing signs of a viral infection but I'm not sure it's TMV. I'll post a few pics tomorrow or Tuesday.

 

[nibirubian]

Yes I have and have fun finding the clone or even buds (not being sarcastic) really if you find it you the man. Have you heard of the Lemon?

oh its out there, kept close but its out there

 

[420247]

TMV???

 

[Greyskull]

heres a thread with some tmv pics....

including 420247's lovely contribution to the tmv discussion

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=106396&highlight=tmv

 

[420247]

heres a thread with some tmv pics....

including 420247's lovely contribution to the tmv discussion

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=106396&highlight=tmv

I honestly dont think any of you have TMV...

Somatic Mutation

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/Chimeras/chimera.html

Mutation breeding: theory and practical applications
http://books.google.com/books?id=rX...page&q=Somatic mutation plant chimera&f=false

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/chimera

Plants

In modern botanical usage a chimera is a plant consisting of two or more genetically distinct kinds of cells. Chimeras can arise either by a mutation in a cell in some part of the plant where cells divide or by bringing together two different plants so that their cells multiply side by side to produce a single individual. They are studied not only because they are interesting freaks or ornamental, but also because they help in the understanding of many of the developmental features of plants that would otherwise be difficult to investigate.

The first type of chimera to be used in this way resulted from grafting. Occasionally a bud forms at the junction of the scion and stock incorporating cells from both, and it sometimes happens that the cells arrange themselves so that shoots derived from the bud will contain cells from both plants forever.

Flowering plants have growing points (apical meristems) where the outer cells are arranged in layers parallel to the surface. This periclinal layering is due to the fact that the outer cells divide only anticlinally, that is, by walls perpendicular to the surface of the growing point. In many plants there are two such tunica layers and, because cell divisions are confined to the anticlinal planes, each layer remains discrete from the other and from the underlying nonlayered tissue called the corpus. The epidermis of leaves, stems, and petals is derived from the outer layer of the growing point. See Apical meristem

With a periclinal chimera it is possible to trace into stems, leaves, and flowers which tissues are derived from each layer in the growing point. For leaves, this can also be done with variegated chimeras where the genetic difference between the cells rests in the plastids resulting from mutation whose effect is to prevent the synthesis of chlorophyll. Tracts of cells whose plastids lack this pigment appear white or yellow. A common form of variegated chimera has leaves with white margins and a green center (see illustration). The white margin is derived from the second layer of the tunica, and the green center is derived from inner cells of the growing point. The white leaf tissue overlies the green in the center of the leaf, but does not mask the green color. Chimeras with green leaf margins and white centers are usually due to a genetically green tunica proliferating abnormally at the leaf margin in an otherwise white leaf.
Variegated Pelargonium , a periclinal chimera whose second tunica layer is genetically white and whose corpus is genetically greenenlarge picture
Variegated Pelargonium, a periclinal chimera whose second tunica layer is genetically white and whose corpus is genetically green

Since the somatic mutation that initiates chimeras would normally occur in a single cell of a growing point or embryo, it often happens that it is propagated into a tract of mutant cells to form a sector of the plant. If the mutation resulted in a failure to form green pigment, the tract would be seen as a white stripe. Such chimeras are called sectorial, but they are normally unstable because there is no mechanism to isolate the mutant sector and, in the flux that occurs in a meristem of growing and dividing cells, one or other of the two sorts of cells takes over its self-perpetuating layer in the growing point. The sectorial chimera therefore becomes nonchimerical or else a periclinal chimera.

However, in one class of chimera an isolating mechanism can stabilize the sectorial arrangement. This propagates stripes of mutant tissue into the shoot, but because the tunica and corpus are discrete from each other, the plant is not fully sectored and is called a mericlinal chimera. Many chimeras of this type have a single tunica layer; those with green and white stripes in the leaves have the mutant cells in sectors of the corpus. They are always plants with leaves in two ranks, and consequently the lateral growth of the growing point occurs by cell expansion only in the plane connecting alternate leaves. This results in the longitudinal divisions of the corpus cells being confined to planes at right angles to the plane containing the leaves. A mutation in one cell therefore can result in a vertical sheet of mutant cells which, in the case of plastid defect, manifests itself as a white stripe in every future leaf.

The growing points of roots may also become chimerical, but in roots there is no mechanism to isolate genetically different tissues as there is in shoots, and so chimeras are unstable.

Since the general acceptance of the existence of organisms with genetically diverse cells, many cultivated plants have been found to be chimeras. Flecks of color often indicate the chimerical nature of such plants. Color changes in potato tubers occur similarly because the plants are periclinal chimeras. See Somatic cell genetics

 

[420247]

more info...

more info...

Mutations, Recombinations, Sports and chimaerae

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/Chimeras/chimera.html

Evolution by individuals, plant-herbivore interactions, and mosaics of genetic variability: The adaptive significance of somatic mutations in plants

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u77774w523u88183/

Summary Differences in the pattern of organization of organisms may lead to different patterns of evolution, genetics and ecology, Plants and animals differ in their fundamental patterns of organization. Plants consist of a series of repeating units that compete with one another, while animals consist of mutually interdependent systems that cannot compete. As a result, plants may be able to take advantage of somatic mutations in ways that are not available to animals. Somatic mutations arising in plants can be inherited by naturally occurring mechanisms of sexual and asexual reproduction. Long life span, large clone size, and the complete regeneration of buds each year may permit an indivdual plant or clone to evolve. Plants may even develop as mosaics of genetic variation. Evolution by individual plants and/or development as mosaics of genetic variation may prevent herbivores from breaking the defenses of their host plants. This evolution may also result in greater ldquofine tuningrdquo to local environments leading to ecotypic variation.

 

[subrob]

very nice, i have alot of info to look thru...thanks guys.
...what a cool thread this is