vinnythebat
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i looked through here a couple of times but cant find a answer.i just want to know if i can run a 150w mh bulb in my security light?
150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......
- Thread starter Pipedream
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Metal Halide & High Pressure Sodium bulbs each require their own specific ballast.
They do make conversion ballasts that will operate both, but it (edit) USUALLY won't be found in a security light fixture.
Sorry.
I stand corrected.
They do make conversion ballasts that will operate both, but it (edit) USUALLY won't be found in a security light fixture.
Sorry.
I stand corrected.
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BlackMagic
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Mira 61, Mira 62 and Mira 63 (all HPS/MH security light fixtures).
(Sorry, couldn't resist the butt)
PassionForMaryJ
Active member
Very well said hoosier, I was thinking that exact thing, and you saved me from having to type it.
There are always too many variables to say when one strain will always be ready, with any & every grower.
I have seen that in my plants one is never ready at exactly the same amount of days, I have had some finish a week early, and some to up to 4 weeks late, and that all depends on how well the plant was grown..
The best way to know a plant is done is to grow it out a few times, once you get it perfect & grow it a while you will be able to eye it & know if it is ready.
I am not saying checking trichs to see if they are clear/cloudy/amber is still important, but after I grew for two years I could just eye my ladies, give them a sniff, and know they were done...
I am still trying to get myself a lilttle mini-grow going, once I do I will try to stop by, and try to contribute to the thread.
Quazi
Member
You should've resisted theMira 61, Mira 62 and Mira 63 (all HPS/MH security light fixtures).
because you're wrong.The Mira 61 and 62 both have separate security lamps for MH or HPS. The Mira 63 is the one that will take MH or HPS. But, it's only got an E40 socket for it and it's not 150W.
The 61 (which only runs 75W by the way) offers an E27 socket for HPS and and RX7s socket for the MH; different units.
The 62, which does come in 150, again offers two different sockets depending on which you get (E40 or RX7s for HPS and MH resp.).
And so to you I offer:
-Q
BlackMagic
Member
Quazi: Do you actually own any Mira fixtures? I don't think so because if you did you probably already had removed the glas and read HPS/MH on the ballast. Sockets doesn't matter, right? It's all about the ballast
on you.
on you.
Quazi
Member
Who cares if I have opened one up and looked? You're still wrong.
You were stating that any of those units would run HPS or MH to try and prove someone wrong and you're incorrect.
The ballast may be capable, but the units themselves will not be capable of doing both. You cannot simply order 1 Mira 61 or 62 and expect it to run your HPS or MH because it won't. You will have to use a different unit or manually replace the socket. There's no switch on the ballast that allows you to use one or the other with the same socket. In this case: the socket, in fact, makes all the difference. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure having to replace the socket whenever you want to replace your lamp kind of ruins the point of having a conversion ballast in the first place.
The conversion ballasts we're talking about don't require different sockets to fire. An example would be, say, the Sun System Galaxy? It's capable of firing MH or HPS and you don't have to replace to the socket to do so.
The only unit you shared with us that compares to the description I just gave you is the Mira 63. But... that doesn't run 150W so it doesn't matter much to the 150W HPS Club and Resource Guide now does it?
Sockets don't matter... what a silly thing to say. Of course they matter. Especially in lower wattages where they are the determining factor when it comes to what lamp it can fire. If they don't matter: stick a CFL in your mogul and smoke it.
-Q
You were stating that any of those units would run HPS or MH to try and prove someone wrong and you're incorrect.
The ballast may be capable, but the units themselves will not be capable of doing both. You cannot simply order 1 Mira 61 or 62 and expect it to run your HPS or MH because it won't. You will have to use a different unit or manually replace the socket. There's no switch on the ballast that allows you to use one or the other with the same socket. In this case: the socket, in fact, makes all the difference. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure having to replace the socket whenever you want to replace your lamp kind of ruins the point of having a conversion ballast in the first place.
The conversion ballasts we're talking about don't require different sockets to fire. An example would be, say, the Sun System Galaxy? It's capable of firing MH or HPS and you don't have to replace to the socket to do so.
The only unit you shared with us that compares to the description I just gave you is the Mira 63. But... that doesn't run 150W so it doesn't matter much to the 150W HPS Club and Resource Guide now does it?
Sockets don't matter... what a silly thing to say. Of course they matter. Especially in lower wattages where they are the determining factor when it comes to what lamp it can fire. If they don't matter: stick a CFL in your mogul and smoke it.
-Q
BlackMagic
Member
Quazi: Wrong, again.
Mira61 is the only one without E40 socket.
Mira62/63 = E40, just pop in a MH or HPS bulb and you're good to go.
Mira62 is 150w HPS/MH and e40 socket, i bet that qualify for the "150w Club" and from the beginning it was all about ballast. Read pipedreams post.
Mira61 is the only one without E40 socket.
Mira62/63 = E40, just pop in a MH or HPS bulb and you're good to go.
Mira62 is 150w HPS/MH and e40 socket, i bet that qualify for the "150w Club" and from the beginning it was all about ballast. Read pipedreams post.
Quazi
Member
How can you say I'm wrong and admit you're incorrect in the same post?
You said the Mira 61, 62, and 63 were all units that would satisfy Pipedream's statement that conversion ballasts (as we traditionally think of them) don't come in security lamps. I can only assume Pipedream was referring to a traditional conversion ballast because I can't see anyone ever recommending a "conversion" ballast to someone with the caveat that they would have to replace the socket whenever they wanted to change lamps.
The Mira 61 is at 75W and doesn't do what a conversion ballast should.
The Mira 63 is at 250W and is the only thing close to a traditional conversion ballast.
So you're left with 1 correct statement: the Mira 62 has the ability to run a 150W MH or HPS lamp as long as you buy special E40-socketed HPS lamps instead of the traditional medium base (E26) lamps. That statement is only partially satisfactory 'cause that ballast sure wouldn't work for any of the 150W HPS lamps that I have around.
I'm just trying to make sure there is a correct understanding of your blanket statement.
-Q
You said the Mira 61, 62, and 63 were all units that would satisfy Pipedream's statement that conversion ballasts (as we traditionally think of them) don't come in security lamps. I can only assume Pipedream was referring to a traditional conversion ballast because I can't see anyone ever recommending a "conversion" ballast to someone with the caveat that they would have to replace the socket whenever they wanted to change lamps.
The Mira 61 is at 75W and doesn't do what a conversion ballast should.
The Mira 63 is at 250W and is the only thing close to a traditional conversion ballast.
So you're left with 1 correct statement: the Mira 62 has the ability to run a 150W MH or HPS lamp as long as you buy special E40-socketed HPS lamps instead of the traditional medium base (E26) lamps. That statement is only partially satisfactory 'cause that ballast sure wouldn't work for any of the 150W HPS lamps that I have around.
I'm just trying to make sure there is a correct understanding of your blanket statement.
-Q
BlackMagic
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pipedream said:
Quazi: I'll take it slow with you... so you understand... R-E-A-D A-B-O-V-E
(Trippe butt, seriously what a waste of thread space)...and Mira62, as i wrote above, has a E40 socket. Every damn common HPS/MH bulb is E40. NO NEED TO CHANGE SOCKET OR BUY SPECIAL BULBS!
Quazi
Member
Again: you need to be careful with your blanket statements.
E40 is hardly standard by any stretch of the imagination. The most common 150W HPS lamp available, that I'm aware of, is the medium base E26.
But don't just believe me (or all the other common horticultural or industrial lighting websites), let's just see which one has more hits in Google since we know that will be impartial.
E26 150W HPS -- 417,000 results.
E40 150W HPS -- 173,000 results.
Funny, I would think if your E40, mogul-based 150W HPS lamps were the most common, that we'd see more hits for that.
You obviously believe your "conversion" ballasts are acceptable conversion ballasts so you go ahead and use 'em. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone in this thread trying to find something to run their 150W HPS and 150W MH lamps and that's why I feel it's necessary to debunk your statement.
-Q
E40 is hardly standard by any stretch of the imagination. The most common 150W HPS lamp available, that I'm aware of, is the medium base E26.
But don't just believe me (or all the other common horticultural or industrial lighting websites), let's just see which one has more hits in Google since we know that will be impartial.
E26 150W HPS -- 417,000 results.
E40 150W HPS -- 173,000 results.
Funny, I would think if your E40, mogul-based 150W HPS lamps were the most common, that we'd see more hits for that.
You obviously believe your "conversion" ballasts are acceptable conversion ballasts so you go ahead and use 'em. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone in this thread trying to find something to run their 150W HPS and 150W MH lamps and that's why I feel it's necessary to debunk your statement.
-Q
Thanks for clearing all of that up Quazi.
- Looks like someone has their head stuck in their ass. That or he be talking out of it.
I haven't had a camera for these last weeks, but I'll try and borrow one for some harvest shots that will be taking place in the next couple of days. Next run I'm going to do a micro sog with my my 150w vertical! I'm excited!
- Looks like someone has their head stuck in their ass. That or he be talking out of it. I haven't had a camera for these last weeks, but I'll try and borrow one for some harvest shots that will be taking place in the next couple of days. Next run I'm going to do a micro sog with my my 150w vertical! I'm excited!
BlackMagic
Member
Quazi: Then show me a grower who uses E26 bulbs over E40? Are you seriously that stupid that you think that the common man use (HID) growlights with E26 sockets instead of E40?
The Mira62 is everything a 150W-grower could wish for. Both HPS and MH with a hardened glas (Lower temps), it's fucking perfect beside it's a bit pricey.
The Mira62 is everything a 150W-grower could wish for. Both HPS and MH with a hardened glas (Lower temps), it's fucking perfect beside it's a bit pricey.
All my 150hps lights are medium based.
I bet money the majority of them in this club are too.
The Mogul base for a 150 is a bastard of sorts.
Glass covering of any sort, save for maybe a cool tube, is a mistake IMO.
I bet money the majority of them in this club are too.
The Mogul base for a 150 is a bastard of sorts.
Glass covering of any sort, save for maybe a cool tube, is a mistake IMO.
Quazi
Member
Umm... yup...
Checked all my 150W HPS lamps.
All medium based.
Anything else you'd like me to check for ya? Listen BlackMagic, you're obviously hurt from the neg rep you decided to give me. So please, understand that I'm not disagreeing with you or trying to fight with you. I'm just trying to correct a previous statement so that it's accurate and people don't get the wrong impression. You're right, one of the security lights you mentioned can be somewhat useful to the 150W HPS club. 1 of them. Not all 3. And that 1 of them requires the mogul-based HPS to be of any use. I just wanted to make sure the information was correct in this thread instead of being full of overarching generalizations that may or may not have caveats to them.
-Q
Checked all my 150W HPS lamps.
All medium based.
Anything else you'd like me to check for ya? Listen BlackMagic, you're obviously hurt from the neg rep you decided to give me. So please, understand that I'm not disagreeing with you or trying to fight with you. I'm just trying to correct a previous statement so that it's accurate and people don't get the wrong impression. You're right, one of the security lights you mentioned can be somewhat useful to the 150W HPS club. 1 of them. Not all 3. And that 1 of them requires the mogul-based HPS to be of any use. I just wanted to make sure the information was correct in this thread instead of being full of overarching generalizations that may or may not have caveats to them.
-Q
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i have a sunsystem which is perfect for 4 plants lst. what I need is a tent and *real* ventilation/scrubber, because last time it reeked and the only air was from a boxfan
BlackMagic
Member
This is pointless 
If anyone still got the moral to read and atleast try to understand what was discussed from the first beginning... The Mira security light fixtures got ballast that support both HPS and MH bulbs (Mira62 and Mira63 got E40 socket = You can use common growlight HID bulbs)
If anyone still got the moral to read and atleast try to understand what was discussed from the first beginning... The Mira security light fixtures got ballast that support both HPS and MH bulbs (Mira62 and Mira63 got E40 socket = You can use common growlight HID bulbs)
Why are you so hung up on that light, blackmagic? It is not all that. It has a glass, that should not be used with the 150, being it is already low penetration.
And how well does the ballast remote? If not at all, it is crap for the 150 grower.
The perfect 150 was the DIY discontinued by econolights. I would pass if I saw yours, no matter the price.
And how well does the ballast remote? If not at all, it is crap for the 150 grower.
The perfect 150 was the DIY discontinued by econolights. I would pass if I saw yours, no matter the price.
sito007
Member
Lmao that was deep lilman , you sound like a fan, Thanks for your comment, My friends first grow that is managing well and is just showing ppl what can be grown on a budget. If you cant understand that icmag is a show and tell forum then you should stop coming to this site.
