Water with Oxygenated water?

[wdcf]

As of now I filter my water through A brita filter twice, I am getting an RO machine fairly soon, and I was on a flight to san diego and I was reading about a machine that makes oxygenated water...I have heard about this before, and read studies on it for humans which basicallly said, oxygen is for the lungs, and that all you get is an expensive burb, then it got me thinking what about for plants...what about for my plants, typed into to google and found some interesting hits...

http://www.tomatocasual.com/2008/03/21/super-oxygenated-water-can-make-tomatoes-healthier/

^SOURCE http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/03/prweb769314.htm

This is also the product I saw http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102630972&c=

Does anyone think this would be effective for dirt growers?

Thanks

 

[hempknowsis]

For dirt? Extremely skeptical. Doesn't help that they're trying to sell something either. Someone more knowledgeable in horticulture could probably debunk this very quickly.

 

[wdcf]

I completely agree their 'source' also has links to purchase from dealers as well, but their was such little research I could amount using search on this site and others I thought I would ask, and hopefully one of ICMAG's local botantist can chime in

"The Big Pitcher helps to solve this problem by raising the level of oxygen in any water (tap or bottled) from the typical 2 parts per million to 11 parts per million"
I wonder if that would drastically change the ph?

 

[RockyMountainHi]

And if you rub a snake "Just right" ya get snake oil,,,,, ya don't get much - that's why it's really expensive too,


naaa seriously tho,, if ya want oxagenated water - get an aquariom pump and an air stone and oxagenatate away! - I do it.


Does it help the garden? - I think so, but, not as much as knowing a little about growing and getting/keeping plants healthy. My pump blew a diaphram a few weeks back - and the garden still looks good. - IF - my cloners blow a diaphram - I'll be at the pet store that day. So yes O2 is important.

Also important is your water,, why double filter?

I'm lucky - we don't get no down stream water up here.

And yes it can alter pH -- again depending on your particular chemestry. - I think some people read "My pH was 99 00 and my TDS was 2teen kabillion and MY GARDEN ROCKED - so peeps think - ge if my pH is X and if my TDS is 2teen kabillion I can be a grow god too! - when in fact because of the local tap water that reader needs to be X-1.5 and only 1.75teen kabillion TDS

It can be helpful to correct some isues but it's a weed for crying out loud

 

[hoosierdaddy]

H2o2 is far more effective, both in terms of performance and price.
H2o2 will also drive out chlorine immediately, where as tap still has to be outgassed even when bubbled with the device.
I have seen watering pots that are hooked up to oxygenate the water, at about 1/10 of the cost of the device shown.
Save your money and use hydrogen peroxide from the grocery if you want truly high oxygen content water.

 

[Haps]

Lordy folks make this hard. I did soil without adding air to my water my first few soil grows. Then I started using an air pump to add DO and my plants visibly improved in health and vigor, there was no question about it to me. You can simply pour the water back and forth between two buckets and this works great. I do it with a spoken blessing at each pour, and it becomes a simple way to be consistent, and blessings never hurt.
H

 

[lysol]

dissolved oxygen levels have a maximum for any given temperature, bubbling or adding more oxygen when the water is already saturated causes the o2 to bubble up to the atmosphere. In soil the water is naturally evaporating which keeps the temps in range. I would aerate your soil not the water you are using, as in put pebbles / perlite, put packing peanuts at the bottom or even an upside down net pot filled with packing peanuts so that the soil to air ratio is increased, so that when the plant does use up o2, it can dissolve back into the water / soil quicker

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Save your money and use hydrogen peroxide from the grocery if you want truly high oxygen content water.

Why doesn't added oxygen gas off like other gasses in the water?

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Why doesn't added oxygen gas off like other gasses in the water?

It does.
Thing about h2o2 is that it is introducing a free radical oxygen molecule, rather than stable oxygen.

 

[lysol]

If your problems stem from too high of temps lowering oxygen solubility will that still make a difference?

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Higher temps lowers waters ability to dissolve and hold oxygen.

can't recall the proper temp for maxaium O2 absorbstion - --- I think high 70's F

And it goes down quickly

And hydrogen peroxide will kill benificial micros in organic enviros

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I knew it wouldn't take long...
RMH, can you show us anything at all that would back up your claim that h2o2 will kill beneficial bacteria? The statement is simply not true...at least in the context of what you were trying to convey.
Oxygen, including free radical oxygen, feeds aerobic bacteria. Most of the bacterium that we consider beneficial is of an aerobic nature. H2o2 does indeed lend itself to destroying anaerobic bacteria, which is a good thing for the grow.
Any beneficial bacteria that were attacked by an overdose of oxygen would be food for the remaining herd. Those of you who go out of your way to put out this warning surely have more than what you feel, yes?

 

[C21H30O2]

i agree with RMHi H202 will certainly kill your micro herd, that is for sure.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

i agree with RMHi H202 will certainly kill your micro herd, that is for sure.

And you have something you can back this up with?

 

[KnuckleHedd]

Yep...H2O2 kills micro organisms.....that's what people use it for......I bubble my water with a 12 inch airstone for 24-48 hours before using. That washes out chlorine and raises the dissolved O2 level to near maximum for that temperature and pressure.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Yep...H2O2 kills micro organisms.....that's what people use it for......

Ah, so you must be the one with something that backs up this warning?

I have yet to see or hear about anyone using it to kill their micro-herd.

 

[stink.whistler]

I knew it wouldn't take long...
RMH, can you show us anything at all that would back up your claim that h2o2 will kill beneficial bacteria? The statement is simply not true...at least in the context of what you were trying to convey.
Oxygen, including free radical oxygen, feeds aerobic bacteria. Most of the bacterium that we consider beneficial is of an aerobic nature. H2o2 does indeed lend itself to destroying anaerobic bacteria, which is a good thing for the grow.
Any beneficial bacteria that were attacked by an overdose of oxygen would be food for the remaining herd. Those of you who go out of your way to put out this warning surely have more than what you feel, yes?

Hydrogen Peroxide is used as a disinfectant, I've never read that it is selective for anaerobic bacteria.

The question is whether the additional oxygen it introduces keeps more aerobic critters alive than its disinfectant properties kill.

Someone w/ a microscope and a bit of time on their hands could easily answer the question through experimentation.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

seems to back up what hoosierdaddy's saying

too much H202 will kill plants. so will too much water

 

[hoosierdaddy]

The words disinfectant are not on any of the labels. Maybe you should read up and find out what h2o2 actually is, stinks.

The question is whether the additional oxygen it introduces keeps more aerobic critters alive than its disinfectant properties kill.

No, that is not really the question...
If you had actually read up on this, you'd find that the only thing "disinfecting" about hydrogen peroxide is that the free radical oxygen molecule it releases means death to anaerobic bacteria. And it is selective, due to what it provides is one of the things aerobic bacteria feeds on.

And Disco is correct...it is all in the dosage.

 

[stink.whistler]

The words disinfectant are not on any of the labels. Maybe you should read up and find out what h2o2 actually is, stinks.

Hoosie,

You are honestly going to argue that hydrogen peroxide is not used as a disinfectant? Google it, young man.

If you had actually read up on this, you'd find that the only thing "disinfecting" about hydrogen peroxide is that the free radical oxygen molecule it releases means death to anaerobic bacteria. And it is selective, due to what it provides is one of the things aerobic bacteria feeds on.

I can assure you I understand the process of biological oxidation very well. Do you think there is something magic about aerobic bacteria that makes their molecules' electrons less interested in hooking up w/ the hydroxyl radical?

And of course the increase in dissolved O2 is beneficial to aerobic bacteria (that don't get killed by the free radicals, of course). The balance of how much they are helped vs. how many are killed is where it becomes either a positive or negative effect to the microherd.