fearme4iamhigh
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i am new to the forums. i dont know what cycle to use and how many times a week to water them. any knowledge will be appreciated and remember that i am a newbie so plz go easy on me
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fearme4iamhigh
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nvm i read more into the forums and found out but i havent found how long the veg and flower stages are if someone could point me int he right direction.
Welcome to the forum, dude. For flower you want 12/12 and that's 12 hrs on, 12 hrs off. For veg you can take your pick as long as it's 18 hours or more of light on. some common choices are 18/6 or 20/4 or even 24/0.
If you have temp problems at all, it may be beneficial to run 18/6 for veg (lights running less, less heat generated) and you can also have your lights off period set to be the middle of the day, which is the hottest part. Best of luck.
Edit: sorry did you mean that or how long to flower and veg?
If you have temp problems at all, it may be beneficial to run 18/6 for veg (lights running less, less heat generated) and you can also have your lights off period set to be the middle of the day, which is the hottest part. Best of luck.
Edit: sorry did you mean that or how long to flower and veg?
fearme4iamhigh
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i meant how long to flower and veg but that was some good insight too.but neo answered it lol but thanks to both of u. i should be posting pics soon hopefully it all works out. 
fearme4iamhigh
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btw what is a scrogg or scrog?? trying to figure that out with all this new lingo im just amazed at how much information is on here.
training:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377
link o rama:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=115377
link o rama:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=40637
fearme4iamhigh
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ty for the threads
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How long to veg for: if you are growing from seed, you veg until you can see preflowers. This is usually 3-6 weeks from planting the seed, depending on the strain you are growing. However... it does depend a bit on the size and shape of the space in which you are growing. You can force flowering a bit before preflowers develop - the plants probably will not actually flower much more quickly but they should be a bit shorter and smaller when they do flower (and the yields will be proportionally smaller, of course). If you are growing clones then preflowers are usually less prominent and useful so you will be influenced more by the shape and size of your grow space. A basic calculation is:
put the grow lamp as high as it will go in your cabinet/space
find the uppermost level/height under the lamp at which it is possible to hold your hand without it getting warm (for a 125w CFL lamp, likely about 6 inches [15cm], maybe a touch less ; under a 250w HPS, likely about 8-12inches [20-30cm] etc)
So this gives you the maximum height in your grow space to which you can grow.
Now measure the height of the top of the largest pot/container or the top of your hydroponic rig. This is the baseline.
What's the difference in heights? - this is the maximum height to which you can grow your plants / the 'space available'
If you are going to grow an indica, it is likely that your plant will double in height from when you switch from veg (18-24 hours a day) to flowering (12/12). So if the space available is, say, 3ft[90cm], you should veg your plants until they are, say, 14inches/40cm tall. Then switch
if the plants are sativas, they could triple or even quintouple in height when you switch. Depends on the strain. I would say that if you had the same 3ft/90cm space available, with a long flowering sativa I would flower it off at 8inches/20cm tall.
If you are new to growing I would advise you to grow a simple indica/sativa mix strain (one strain) with a reputation for being relatively easy to grow. You cant go far wrong with Skunk#1. Am sure people will be happy to come up with suggestions for suitable strains. Then argue about it for pages!
How many times you water them - depends on the substrate you are growing in (e.g. soil, coco, rockwool). As a rule of thumb, you water when the top 1cm-half inch is dry. As the plants get bigger (say 3 weeks old, 6 inches high.. roughly!) then you can water much more frequently if the system/substrate warrants it. It is possible to over water plants. If you are growing in a hydroponic NFT, you irrigate constantly when the lights are on. Horses for courses.
SOG and SCROG - 'Sea of Green' and 'Screen of green'. Two methods that can ('can' not 'will') help you to squeeze higher yields out of a given space.
SOG - lots of plants grown closely together, with little branching and (hopefully) big tops/colas. Some strains are well suited to SOG, particularly those with little natural branching (sometimes called 'poker straight' plants'). How tall you grow in SOG depends largely on the space available (see above) but most people grow SOGs short and flower as early as possible. It really only suits growing from clones. You can grow from seeds in this way but it's only practical if you grow in pots that you can raise or lower to keep the tops of the plants level.
SCROG - fewer plants trained (bent) and woven through a mesh/screen/net to create a plant with a flat profiile. Suits branchy plants, typically indica but by no means always. (it's really the opposite of a SOG).
IMO both these methods are worth trying but have too many complications for a new grower.
My advice - buy a grow book. There's lots of great info free on sites like this but I found it easy to learn the basics from a book(well, when I learned there weren't sites like this so I guess I had no choice). try 'Marijuana Horticulture' by Jorge Cervantes. It's one of the best and easy to understand.
Do LOTS of reading on this site too before you take the plunge. Some people on here have some truly amazing ideas and results but they are easier to understand if you have grasped the basics (from a book!)
Dont try to grow too much too soon - you are right to start small
Dont try to do anything too complicated too soon. Marijana is easy to grow really. It's why it's a weed. It is trickier to grow well though. So keep it simple.
Dont tell anyone you are going to grow!!! That's rule #1.
Good luck!
put the grow lamp as high as it will go in your cabinet/space
find the uppermost level/height under the lamp at which it is possible to hold your hand without it getting warm (for a 125w CFL lamp, likely about 6 inches [15cm], maybe a touch less ; under a 250w HPS, likely about 8-12inches [20-30cm] etc)
So this gives you the maximum height in your grow space to which you can grow.
Now measure the height of the top of the largest pot/container or the top of your hydroponic rig. This is the baseline.
What's the difference in heights? - this is the maximum height to which you can grow your plants / the 'space available'
If you are going to grow an indica, it is likely that your plant will double in height from when you switch from veg (18-24 hours a day) to flowering (12/12). So if the space available is, say, 3ft[90cm], you should veg your plants until they are, say, 14inches/40cm tall. Then switch
if the plants are sativas, they could triple or even quintouple in height when you switch. Depends on the strain. I would say that if you had the same 3ft/90cm space available, with a long flowering sativa I would flower it off at 8inches/20cm tall.
If you are new to growing I would advise you to grow a simple indica/sativa mix strain (one strain) with a reputation for being relatively easy to grow. You cant go far wrong with Skunk#1. Am sure people will be happy to come up with suggestions for suitable strains. Then argue about it for pages!
How many times you water them - depends on the substrate you are growing in (e.g. soil, coco, rockwool). As a rule of thumb, you water when the top 1cm-half inch is dry. As the plants get bigger (say 3 weeks old, 6 inches high.. roughly!) then you can water much more frequently if the system/substrate warrants it. It is possible to over water plants. If you are growing in a hydroponic NFT, you irrigate constantly when the lights are on. Horses for courses.
SOG and SCROG - 'Sea of Green' and 'Screen of green'. Two methods that can ('can' not 'will') help you to squeeze higher yields out of a given space.
SOG - lots of plants grown closely together, with little branching and (hopefully) big tops/colas. Some strains are well suited to SOG, particularly those with little natural branching (sometimes called 'poker straight' plants'). How tall you grow in SOG depends largely on the space available (see above) but most people grow SOGs short and flower as early as possible. It really only suits growing from clones. You can grow from seeds in this way but it's only practical if you grow in pots that you can raise or lower to keep the tops of the plants level.
SCROG - fewer plants trained (bent) and woven through a mesh/screen/net to create a plant with a flat profiile. Suits branchy plants, typically indica but by no means always. (it's really the opposite of a SOG).
IMO both these methods are worth trying but have too many complications for a new grower.
My advice - buy a grow book. There's lots of great info free on sites like this but I found it easy to learn the basics from a book(well, when I learned there weren't sites like this so I guess I had no choice). try 'Marijuana Horticulture' by Jorge Cervantes. It's one of the best and easy to understand.
Do LOTS of reading on this site too before you take the plunge. Some people on here have some truly amazing ideas and results but they are easier to understand if you have grasped the basics (from a book!)
Dont try to grow too much too soon - you are right to start small
Dont try to do anything too complicated too soon. Marijana is easy to grow really. It's why it's a weed. It is trickier to grow well though. So keep it simple.
Dont tell anyone you are going to grow!!! That's rule #1.
Good luck!
fearme4iamhigh
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ok im planning my grow and i think im gonna build a cab 4'x4'x3' i think but im having trouble drawing up the plans. im gonna use scrog technique but how high should it be set and what size pots would be good for this size. i figure ill take 6"- 1' to install electrical wiring and etc. for the bulbs i think 6-9 x 23w cfls will do the job for right now until my finances are takin care of in the meantime im just drawing and planning. will post up schematics and whatnot for the time being. thanks for all the posts. i have been reading the forums alot and taking in so much info. i feel my brain getting bigger, prolly eye strain lol but ya.
but im having trouble drawing up the plans. im gonna use scrog technique but how high should it be set and what size pots would be good for this size. i figure ill take 6"- 1' to install electrical wiring and etc. for the bulbs i think 6-9 x 23w cfls will do the job for right now until my finances are takin care of in the meantime im just drawing and planning. will post up schematics and whatnot for the time being. thanks for all the posts. i have been reading the forums alot and taking in so much info. i feel my brain getting bigger, prolly eye strain lol but ya.
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In no way am I being a dick but there is to much to know and learn that is on this forum to repeat it here. My advice would be to read read read, then read some more. The soil forums will be a good place to start. Read through the Micro forums for some inspiration. You will need to learn how to control variables in your grow like ventilation and light. A good soil is a nice place to start. Fox Farm Ocean forest with perlite is a good start.
So much comes from just growing and learning from mistakes. I would expect to kill plants when you first start. My first grow I had 10 seeds sprout and killed all but one. That one (bagseed btw) grew to a 4 foot monster under a 150 HPS. It flowered for 70 days and I harvested it, from what I know now it should have gone a lot longer, after a month cure it was very nice anyway.
GOOD LUCK
So much comes from just growing and learning from mistakes. I would expect to kill plants when you first start. My first grow I had 10 seeds sprout and killed all but one. That one (bagseed btw) grew to a 4 foot monster under a 150 HPS. It flowered for 70 days and I harvested it, from what I know now it should have gone a lot longer, after a month cure it was very nice anyway.
GOOD LUCK
fearme4iamhigh
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thats the only places ive been to but like i said im planning right now. for optimal performance for a first time grower. im designing the cab using autocad and other proggies but im trying to put in all the variables i can for now. like how tall i should get the pots and how tall the scrog will be set from the pots the heat and other stuff can come later im just setting the fixed stuff in right now. the scrog will be permenant (i really like that idea), lights and fans will be upgradeable and i only have so much space to work with thats y im setting the standards for this cab right now. this is a trial run for the most part and if i can get by with it more power to me right and thanks for the insight i am confident enough that this will be a great idea. i will post the prints of the design with all dims and help me out along the way 1 quik question would i use plexi glass or just glass for the light barrier?
but like i said im planning right now. for optimal performance for a first time grower. im designing the cab using autocad and other proggies but im trying to put in all the variables i can for now. like how tall i should get the pots and how tall the scrog will be set from the pots the heat and other stuff can come later im just setting the fixed stuff in right now. the scrog will be permenant (i really like that idea), lights and fans will be upgradeable and i only have so much space to work with thats y im setting the standards for this cab right now. this is a trial run for the most part and if i can get by with it more power to me right and thanks for the insight i am confident enough that this will be a great idea. i will post the prints of the design with all dims and help me out along the way 1 quik question would i use plexi glass or just glass for the light barrier?fearme4iamhigh
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ok here is the first draft of my cab hope u like it its simple but im not done yet just tell me what yall think on dims, good and bad criticism will be enjoyed.
if there is a way i can just show the pic on here that would be nice lol
if there is a way i can just show the pic on here that would be nice lol
Hi mate, the writing on your picture is too small, need to use much larger font please.
I would also suggest using google sketchup instead. You'd pick it up in 2 minutes if you know how to use Autocad already. It gives a more realistic impression of your cab and helps people get creative with suggestions, I find.
I would also suggest using google sketchup instead. You'd pick it up in 2 minutes if you know how to use Autocad already. It gives a more realistic impression of your cab and helps people get creative with suggestions, I find.
fearme4iamhigh
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aight then ill try that google sketchup ive been hearing alot about it from friends n such but i figured i will get that right away thanks for the input
No worries bro, I mean, sketchup isn't actually neccesary, it just looks cool...the main thing is just the fonts. I have a zoom thing on my browser but even then I couldn't read it. Cheers
Oh also the maximum dimension for pics is 1024x1024 for me at least, so it would help if you saved the screenshot with the longest edge being 1024.
Oh also the maximum dimension for pics is 1024x1024 for me at least, so it would help if you saved the screenshot with the longest edge being 1024.
fearme4iamhigh
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ok
tried using sketchup its good prog but i cant right now but i did fix the text height and i will save my pics to that resolution. the reason y its messed up like that is i had 2 8600 gt grafix cards fry on me so im using an outdated 6600 gx and could u help me as to just post the pics or is that something i would have the techies help me with ;D
tried using sketchup its good prog but i cant right now
but i did fix the text height and i will save my pics to that resolution. the reason y its messed up like that is i had 2 8600 gt grafix cards fry on me so im using an outdated 6600 gx and could u help me as to just post the pics or is that something i would have the techies help me with ;Dfearme4iamhigh
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What I do is click on User Menu (up the top of icmag), then My Albums. then I think you have to create an album, then go into it, and there's an upload button there. Then when you want to add any of the pics in your gallery to any post, click the Go Advanced button when you're typing the post, and do this...I use the second option:
I can read most of them now though, cheers. So you have the scrog screen one foot above the top of the pots? That's more than you need for a scrog. Mine was approx 6 inches above. I would advise not to fix a scrog screen in there. Far better to have a "modular" scrog with each pot having it's own individual screen attached to each pot. There is a lot of trimming and training involved with scrogs and fixed screens don't go hand in hand with that. If I understand you right, the cab is 3' high, and then 4' x 4' in floor area? There is no way you could reach back 4 feet into your cab to do the (often twice daily) training required. Well, I couldn't anyway. You could sacrifice floor space for access but that's losing out. A more modular system would let you use all the floor space, plus better access for trimming/checking/training.
I can read most of them now though, cheers. So you have the scrog screen one foot above the top of the pots? That's more than you need for a scrog. Mine was approx 6 inches above. I would advise not to fix a scrog screen in there. Far better to have a "modular" scrog with each pot having it's own individual screen attached to each pot. There is a lot of trimming and training involved with scrogs and fixed screens don't go hand in hand with that. If I understand you right, the cab is 3' high, and then 4' x 4' in floor area? There is no way you could reach back 4 feet into your cab to do the (often twice daily) training required. Well, I couldn't anyway. You could sacrifice floor space for access but that's losing out. A more modular system would let you use all the floor space, plus better access for trimming/checking/training.
