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VladTheInhaler

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Well, it is a 50w system that I'm getting, I have only about 4 sq to cover, 90 watts would have probably been better, but with recession I can spend only so much on this experiment.
Ideally, I would like to use 2 wavelengths of red, but I'm making wild guesses here based on data from this thread.
 
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bf74

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This guy is offering a full refund if you are willing to do a head to head grow journal with the competition- so if you have a 120 watt panel- if you do a VS type growjournal with his 126 watt model- it's yours-FREE!! No shit!
 
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Troopler

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I'm gonna pop my post cherry on this thread. Stealth and quality are of utmost importance to me right now. I have done the whole 400w HPS, 800w HPS, 1200w HPS, and a 120w CCFL for mothers and clones. :joint:

What I hated about all of them was the amount of space they took up, the heat and noise they made, and the paranoia that went along with all of it.:yoinks:

Anyway, microgrow has peaked my interest as of late. You guys get some insane yields in such stealth cabinets.

Long story short, the research I have done here (i love this place) and on other forums in the past months has brought me to the conclusion that it is time to sell my bulky HPS stuff and hunker down with some LEDs.

I think its time to go balls to the wall 200watt LED grow armoire. I will start a thread when my lights get here. In the mean time I want to thank all the brave souls who tested this stuff out first. Knna and bf74 good work!:yes:
 
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VladTheInhaler

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Ha! They agreed to make a tri-band for me, red-blue-orange.
@bf74: thanks for that link, I would like that growlight, but I'm overstepping my budget as is right now and that 126 watter is an overkill for me (but it did give me a hard on, though :) ).
Anyway those guys are quite informative in regards of wavelengths they use in their lights - basically two blue, two red, white (I'm betting warm white), IR. I'd say it's R:B:W 7:1:1 + some IR's.
 
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bf74

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Yeah, the hydrogrow-led site is a lot less cloak and dagger than the others-theyt give you a run-down of the how and why, and the guy there-Cammie is more than helpful.The biggest difference I've seen is their use of white leds, not orange-interesting.I'm going to give their 63 watter a go-supposed to be 150w hps equivalent, not bad for 200 bones.
 
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bf74

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Troopler said:
I'm gonna pop my post cherry on this thread. Stealth and quality are of utmost importance to me right now. I have done the whole 400w HPS, 800w HPS, 1200w HPS, and a 120w CCFL for mothers and clones. :joint:

What I hated about all of them was the amount of space they took up, the heat and noise they made, and the paranoia that went along with all of it.:yoinks:

Anyway, microgrow has peaked my interest as of late. You guys get some insane yields in such stealth cabinets.

Long story short, the research I have done here (i love this place) and on other forums in the past months has brought me to the conclusion that it is time to sell my bulky HPS stuff and hunker down with some LEDs.

I think its time to go balls to the wall 200watt LED grow armoire. I will start a thread when my lights get here. In the mean time I want to thank all the brave souls who tested this stuff out first. Knna and bf74 good work!:yes:
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Thanks mate! And it sounds like you're thinking of converting for the same reasons I did.Nothing like growing quiet, and cool.You'll have a blast with these lights! Heres a pic of my fav plant-blue hash 32 days 12/12
 
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fatigues

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Troopler said:
What I hated about all of them was the amount of space they took up, the heat and noise they made, and the paranoia that went along with all of it.:yoinks:

Anyway, microgrow has peaked my interest as of late. You guys get some insane yields in such stealth cabinets.

I think its time to go balls to the wall 200watt LED grow armoire. I will start a thread when my lights get here. In the mean time I want to thank all the brave souls who tested this stuff out first. Knna and bf74 good work!:yes:
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:yeahthats

Pretty much have to agree with everything you've said here.

As for your impending LED grow show, I'm looking forward to it. :)
 
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VladTheInhaler

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My uneducated guess is that they use warm whites instead of orange because it has bigger luminous flux than orange LEDs (yeah, I know that lumens don't really apply when plants are concerned), while still emitting part of that light in the same spectrum as orange.
Anyway right now I'm trying to find out if my knockoff guy has some 590 nm LEDs for my thing - I have a brain fart that 590nm (which is amber, I guess) will work better than orange (615nm).
Lol, when I read what I just wrote it so seems that I know what I'm talking about, but in fact, I'm making these wild guesses and hoping it doesn't bite my ass.
 
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bf74

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VladTheInhaler said:
My uneducated guess is that they use warm whites instead of orange because it has bigger luminous flux than orange LEDs (yeah, I know that lumens don't really apply when plants are concerned), while still emitting part of that light in the same spectrum as orange.
Anyway right now I'm trying to find out if my knockoff guy has some 590 nm LEDs for my thing - I have a brain fart that 590nm (which is amber, I guess) will work better than orange (615nm).
Lol, when I read what I just wrote it so seems that I know what I'm talking about, but in fact, I'm making these wild guesses and hoping it doesn't bite my ass.
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I hear ya man-I've been wingin it for a year now- this is all so new, and we all have much to learn.But thats half the fun anyways.Amber seems to be a color of interest lately, it'll be interesting to see the outcome on that.
 
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LeoRexTyrannus

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HPS has a huge spike in orange, CMH doesn't MH, doesn't.

That comparison grow offer from that site BF is insane. If I have your details straight.... I can do a comparison with it, right now, and get it for free just for putting the log up. If I had the initial cash to lay out right now I'd snatch one of those up, I love these LED makers that have confidence in their product, they're really standing out from their competition.

On another note, I guess our entire approach in the community of more is better has to end, if we're just overloading chlorophyll a, then we need to start blending. This goes back to what people were saying a year ago, it's the ratio that counts the most

With the kind of growth some of you're getting, the switch seems to be getting closer and closer, and just in time with Smart GRID technology being installed as we type, and FLIR systems becoming cheaper everyday. There are people ready to invest millions in this technology, what they want and need to see first, is an equal or greater yield than HID, and then HID is dead, which should severely reduce at least this communities environmental impact.

Nothing like going green and getting better bud at the same time.

I would note from what I've seen it goes like this in the richness of THC production HPS - > MH -> CMH -> LED, and who here doesn't love copious amounts of resin.

Like someone was pointing out earlier a few pages back quantum microdots are in production now, and eventually we will not have to use any LED to produce a wavelength of color, except the absolutely best mass produced (aka cheapest) diodes. Which should bring down the costs of LED significantly, in effect clearing the path for truly monstrous LED systems.

What an exciting time to be a grower, and to be alive. Good day gentlemen, ladies.
 
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Architechno

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bf74 said:
Thanks mate! And it sounds like you're thinking of converting for the same reasons I did.Nothing like growing quiet, and cool.You'll have a blast with these lights! Heres a pic of my fav plant-blue hash 32 days 12/12
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Is that grown under one of their lights? what has been your experience with it?
I am incredibly interested in the 63W light, and as soon as I get my next paycheck it's good and likely I'll be buying one if I can hear a review or two.
 
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asde

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63w led yield wont be close to 150w ndl yield growin cannabis, never. more like you are very very lucky if yield is the same compared to a 70w cmh..

the only led's i can think about beein on par with hid bulbs (for micro/small grows) still sleeping in the labs

i remember the day led panels came out and silly people bought em.. nowadays panels are way better but still a waste of money as the alternatives are better and cheaper

its not up to the customers to test products especially not those products beein advertised with misguided descriptions
 
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bf74

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asde said:
63w led yield wont be close to 150w ndl yield growin cannabis, never. more like you are very very lucky if yield is the same compared to a 70w cmh..

the only led's i can think about beein on par with hid bulbs (for micro/small grows) still sleeping in the lab
i remember the day led panels came out and silly people bought em.. nowadays panels are way better but still a waste of money as the alternatives are better and cheaper

its not up to the customers to test products especially not those products beein advertised with misguided descriptions
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Is this from your experience?We only work with facts here.I'd love to hear yours.I'm testing the new gear out with outstanding results-these can be seen on my thread-it's not just talk.Talk is cheap
 
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Architechno

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bf74: in your gallery it appears that you are primarily using 2 UFO's, 2 of these (http://www.ecoleds.com/CAT21416.html) and some kind of panel. Is that panel the one from hydro-grow-led.com?

Now I'm thinking that if/when I get my LED light I might want to supplement it with a couple 36w PL-L's... what spectrum would best compliment this LED light: http://hydro-grow-led.com/blog/?page_id=19 - it uses 440nm, 470nm, 640nm, 660nm, white + IR according to the site. Bulbman.com has the 36w PL-L's by Dulux at 3000, 3500, and 4100 kelvin, and 1000bulbs.com has the same lights but by Phillips.
I dont know how to compare the nm scale against kelvin, so if one of you wonderful electronics wizards could help me out I'd be much obliged.
 
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bf74

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Architechno said:
bf74: in your gallery it appears that you are primarily using 2 UFO's, 2 of these (http://www.ecoleds.com/CAT21416.html) and some kind of panel. Is that panel the one from hydro-grow-led.com?

Now I'm thinking that if/when I get my LED light I might want to supplement it with a couple 36w PL-L's... what spectrum would best compliment this LED light: http://hydro-grow-led.com/blog/?page_id=19 - it uses 440nm, 470nm, 640nm, 660nm, white + IR according to the site. Bulbman.com has the 36w PL-L's by Dulux at 3000, 3500, and 4100 kelvin, and 1000bulbs.com has the same lights but by Phillips.
I dont know how to compare the nm scale against kelvin, so if one of you wonderful electronics wizards could help me out I'd be much obliged.
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I ditched the 2 90's and the ir flower accellerator for a 180 jumbo ufo-with 2 bands of blue-well, pretty much the same specs as hydro-grows products.The main difference being my unit uses 613nm( a controversial subject of late) I'm not supping with anything, and the real results started with the use of this 180w unit.Heres some more pics of my more mature plants-I've got 25 packed in a 4x4 tent sog style. The blue hash is 33 inches tall, the rest are hovering at 2 ft.
 
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asde

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so bf, where are all the led grows with good yields? on the other hand .. what i said are facts.. if you dont un derstand it go on and extend your led setup to 600 watt or whatever paying 10k bucks or whatever and still yielding less than half of what a simple 600w hps (drastical example) can do.. not i have to proof something, its people who claim to be able to break physical and biological rules stating em as facts
 
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bf74

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asde said:
so bf, where are all the led grows with good yields? on the other hand .. what i said are facts.. if you dont un derstand it go on and extend your led setup to 600 watt or whatever paying 10k bucks or whatever and still yielding less than half of what a simple 600w hps (drastical example) can do.. not i have to proof something, its people who claim to be able to break physical and biological rules stating em as facts
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Wow, that pissed you off huh? I'm thinking about purchasing the 63 watter, and when someone has so much to say about a product, I can only assume they have experience.Now, without being catty, explain these physical and biological laws-abridged obviously.And lol-I get these units for nothing-I test them online.10k bucks?Boy, you're all kinds of wrong aint ya?The unit I have is 180 watts held 2 ft from the canopy.Most would say my results are pretty good.All you've shown me is your poor English, and poor attitude.Take a refresher English course "not I have to proof something"-is that fuckin caveman or what?
 
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knna

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asde, in this thread some journals had been linked that got over 1g/w and total yields over 100g of dry well manicured bud. Show me a 70W CMH or HPS doing that and Ill take my hat off.
 
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