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E.T. evidence thread
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ksac
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"You simply cannot change the minds of people who KNOW what they have seen, KNOW to believe their parents, brothers and sisters, trusted friends, etc. Another fact is that once someone comes out in public, among peers, as an active skeptic, it is very hard to convince them that they should seriously consider the possibility that they have been terribly, completely wrong the whole time."
There have been many times that I saw something that turned out to be not what I saw at all. Even if your parents told you some wild story, you still have to look at it reasonably.
Even if someone saw a UFO, that is still not proof that there are aliens. It only proves that they saw something they didn't understand. That's is it. It takes an irrational logical leap to conclude that it must have been aliens. Why not secret government weapons? You guys like conspiracy theories right?
I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong once you can provide some proof. And not some guy saying he saw something he didn't understand or speculating on the thing he saw.
Just for curiosity, do you still believe the face on the moon? Even after the contradictory evidence?
"I consider trusting a government truly insane. Governments sign treaties with Native Americans, then commit genocide. The media stands by and spins stories to make the nastiest stuff a government does... go away. Big media and government are separate wings of the same organization. These are facts."
I believe trusting people trying to make a buck by selling UFO books to be truly insane. If you just trust anyone without looking into it for yourself, then you're just following blindly.
By the way, the media just loves government scandals! It increases ratings. That is what matter to them. Ratings. And do you have any evidence that suggest that the media and government work together to keep the public ignorant? Or is this just more talk with nothing to back it up?
"Here's a fact... Millions of formerly skeptical people have stopped being skeptical over the last few years. But it's hard to find ANY former believers who have recently become skeptics. Anyone see a trend here?"
Do you have a source for this fact? Or is an opinion? In fact, this a logical fallacy called appeal to popularity. Look it up.
Are you looking for believers that turned skeptic? I bet you aren't, but I bet you're looking for skeptics who turned believer. Why? Because it helps your case. But you'll ignore any evidence of the contrary.
None of you guys have been able to argue against any of the counter evidence that I've brought here. Why? I've been looking at UFO videos, pictures, stories, and all that; but I doubt you guys have even looked at any of the links I've posted. I get the feeling that this debate is a dishonest debate. You can't argue my points so you just keep putting forth more junk that I've already made an argument against. You can't even argue for your own side, all you do is post more videos that don't prove a damn thing. You want to turn a skeptic into a believer? Show him some real evidence! An intelligent person isn't going to be fooled by some blurry video or picture or some guy saying he saw aliens in his backyard.
The problem is you guys aren't educated on logic. Read some philosophy for crying out loud. Maybe one day you'll understand why all this "evidence" you bring forth isn't worth jack shit. I came here for a debate, but it looks like I'm not going to get a good one. No one will argue against my points. Not well at least.
There have been many times that I saw something that turned out to be not what I saw at all. Even if your parents told you some wild story, you still have to look at it reasonably.
Even if someone saw a UFO, that is still not proof that there are aliens. It only proves that they saw something they didn't understand. That's is it. It takes an irrational logical leap to conclude that it must have been aliens. Why not secret government weapons? You guys like conspiracy theories right?
I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong once you can provide some proof. And not some guy saying he saw something he didn't understand or speculating on the thing he saw.
Just for curiosity, do you still believe the face on the moon? Even after the contradictory evidence?
"I consider trusting a government truly insane. Governments sign treaties with Native Americans, then commit genocide. The media stands by and spins stories to make the nastiest stuff a government does... go away. Big media and government are separate wings of the same organization. These are facts."
I believe trusting people trying to make a buck by selling UFO books to be truly insane. If you just trust anyone without looking into it for yourself, then you're just following blindly.
By the way, the media just loves government scandals! It increases ratings. That is what matter to them. Ratings. And do you have any evidence that suggest that the media and government work together to keep the public ignorant? Or is this just more talk with nothing to back it up?
"Here's a fact... Millions of formerly skeptical people have stopped being skeptical over the last few years. But it's hard to find ANY former believers who have recently become skeptics. Anyone see a trend here?"
Do you have a source for this fact? Or is an opinion? In fact, this a logical fallacy called appeal to popularity. Look it up.
Are you looking for believers that turned skeptic? I bet you aren't, but I bet you're looking for skeptics who turned believer. Why? Because it helps your case. But you'll ignore any evidence of the contrary.
None of you guys have been able to argue against any of the counter evidence that I've brought here. Why? I've been looking at UFO videos, pictures, stories, and all that; but I doubt you guys have even looked at any of the links I've posted. I get the feeling that this debate is a dishonest debate. You can't argue my points so you just keep putting forth more junk that I've already made an argument against. You can't even argue for your own side, all you do is post more videos that don't prove a damn thing. You want to turn a skeptic into a believer? Show him some real evidence! An intelligent person isn't going to be fooled by some blurry video or picture or some guy saying he saw aliens in his backyard.
The problem is you guys aren't educated on logic. Read some philosophy for crying out loud. Maybe one day you'll understand why all this "evidence" you bring forth isn't worth jack shit. I came here for a debate, but it looks like I'm not going to get a good one. No one will argue against my points. Not well at least.
ksac
Member
Open minded
I don't think you guys understand what that means. It doesn't mean subscribing to the wildest most unsupported ideas. It means that you consider all possibilities. Such as I have. I used to love UFO stories and stuff when I was a kid. When I grew older I looked at both sides of the argument and decided that the skeptics made the strongest arguments and I have yet to see a stronger argument from believers. That is being open minded. I think you guys have only looked into one side of the argument and refuse the other side. This, in fact, makes you the closed minded ones.
I put forward that you are closed minded and refuse to open up. Care to dispute this?
I don't think you guys understand what that means. It doesn't mean subscribing to the wildest most unsupported ideas. It means that you consider all possibilities. Such as I have. I used to love UFO stories and stuff when I was a kid. When I grew older I looked at both sides of the argument and decided that the skeptics made the strongest arguments and I have yet to see a stronger argument from believers. That is being open minded. I think you guys have only looked into one side of the argument and refuse the other side. This, in fact, makes you the closed minded ones.
I put forward that you are closed minded and refuse to open up. Care to dispute this?
ksac, people here are not closed minded just because they are not ready to bow down to your "superior skeptical argumentation". And since you think so though, it just goes to show what your interest in the argument is: to attack the persona. Your argument presents no refutation against the UFO phenomenon, but what you present is just an attempt to ridicule the phenomena by claiming since people do not agree with your "all-knowing opinions", that such people are closed-minded.
how is that an argument anyway?
fact is, at this point, no one can disprove the world-wide phenomenon of UFO sightings. You will never be able to convince anyone who has seen a ufo with their own two eyes, why try? what is in it for you anyway?
paz.
Why do they believe what they're seeing is extraterrestrial? A UFO is just that. What is making them believe it is from out of this world while they're viewing it in this? Its pure conjecture unless anyone has any evidence?
-BG-
Member
Are you saying there's no life out there..? Do you know how huge and mind boglingly big our own middle size Milky way galaxy is..? It contains billions of stars and most of those stars have their own solar systems and planets...And now we are talking about only our own galaxy...There's billions other galaxys just like ours, bigger and smaller and all of them contains billions of stars and planets and moons...
If you really think about this (owning a telescope is even better
you should realize how great the probability is...Peace..!
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arcticsun
sirgrassalot i think the standing hypothesis according to legend and religions is that we are ourselves descendants of alien visitors. i think it has even been said other planets in our solar system at one time was inhabited by human like creatures.
ie. god created us in his own image...
as for lights in the sky.. well not really so interresting as the philosophy around what do they want from us is it? and what is the vatican & the muslims up to? where are the connections and the links?
if we dont find out that, its nothing but lights in the sky sofar.
ie. god created us in his own image...
as for lights in the sky.. well not really so interresting as the philosophy around what do they want from us is it? and what is the vatican & the muslims up to? where are the connections and the links?
if we dont find out that, its nothing but lights in the sky sofar.
how is it pure conjecture? when the fact is that since we do not have knowledge that such UFOs are man-made, then it is logical to think that they were not made on earth but away from it, as in: extra-terrestrial = not of the earth.
it is reasonable to assume that since no one on earth claims making those UFOs, that then such are not from earth, this is Occam's Razor actually, and not "pure conjecture" as you erroneously put it. The next simplest explanations to UFOs when no one on earth claims them is that they are extraterrestrial, fact.
now, whether you guys are able to accept such a reality or not will tell us a lot about how you digest the reality that surrounds you, or if you digest it all.
Paz.
good day bro,
what is more funny is that while peeps keep on debating whether there are lights up there or not, the whole lot of classical info on the subject you mention is out there for anyone to catch and make sense of...
one love
Logical to think they were made not of this earth, are you for real. In its purest form.
con·jec·ture Pronunciation (kn-jkchr)
n.
1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various conjectures about the outcome of the next election.
v. con·jec·tured, con·jec·tur·ing, con·jec·tures
v.tr.
To infer from inconclusive evidence; guess.
v.intr.
To make a conjecture.
so is this your argument? to copy and paste from an on-line dictionary the definition of the word conjecture?
what is next? r u going to reference me to a book as a valid refutation argument or something?
you cannot prove a negative, do you get that? that is what you are doing.
you are trying to prove there are no extraterrestrials by claiming that since there is a supposed lack of evidence that this means no extraterrestrials.
this is as silly as claiming that since there are no sharks in the river, that sharks do not exist, even though we have claims of people who have seen sharks in other waters.
but I am sure you do not understand this.
Paz.
what is next? r u going to reference me to a book as a valid refutation argument or something?
you cannot prove a negative, do you get that? that is what you are doing.
you are trying to prove there are no extraterrestrials by claiming that since there is a supposed lack of evidence that this means no extraterrestrials.
this is as silly as claiming that since there are no sharks in the river, that sharks do not exist, even though we have claims of people who have seen sharks in other waters.
but I am sure you do not understand this.
Paz.
I don't explain the unknown by writing it off as extraterrestrial involvement. That's lunacy at its best, look it up. LoL
No UFO's are not extraterrestrials. You must come to grips with this. Unless you have evidence to the contrary its pure conjecture on your part.
No UFO's are not extraterrestrials. You must come to grips with this. Unless you have evidence to the contrary its pure conjecture on your part.
I used to think there was a possibility of UFOs but I don't now, how can they just appear in our Sky's without being traced coming into the earths atmosphere? I think there is a more logical reason for UFOs. I don't know!!!
uh....
am I the only one seeing that you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing us of? Read your own words man, maybe even heed them.
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Kizzattack
Member
Anyone want their mind blown?
That image is of the observable universe to 14 billion light years in diameter (currently the diameter of the observable universe, in reality, is about 94 billion light years). That small white line on the picture demonstrates how far 1 billion light years is. So if a person were travelling at the speed of light, it would take them 1 billion years to travel that distance. To put that into perspective; light can travel around the world over 7 times in 1 second. Travelling at that speed, it would take 1 billion years to travel 1/14th of the diameter of the observable universe depicted in that image (or the length of that line.) Many of you probably know this, but I find it mind-blowing each time I think about it, and it's certainly worth reiterating this fact as it's easy to forget just how vast the universe really is.
The sheer size of the universe is astonishing. It's difficult to comprehend something that huge, and it really demonstrates how small we really are here on earth. Now, I find it hard to believe there isn't life out there somewhere. The problem is that anecdotes and/or something being simply unidentified doesn't suffice as scientific evidence for extraterrestrials visiting earth. It's illogical to conclude that UFO = alien. Whether you agree with logic or not is down to you.
That image is of the observable universe to 14 billion light years in diameter (currently the diameter of the observable universe, in reality, is about 94 billion light years). That small white line on the picture demonstrates how far 1 billion light years is. So if a person were travelling at the speed of light, it would take them 1 billion years to travel that distance. To put that into perspective; light can travel around the world over 7 times in 1 second. Travelling at that speed, it would take 1 billion years to travel 1/14th of the diameter of the observable universe depicted in that image (or the length of that line.) Many of you probably know this, but I find it mind-blowing each time I think about it, and it's certainly worth reiterating this fact as it's easy to forget just how vast the universe really is.
The sheer size of the universe is astonishing. It's difficult to comprehend something that huge, and it really demonstrates how small we really are here on earth. Now, I find it hard to believe there isn't life out there somewhere. The problem is that anecdotes and/or something being simply unidentified doesn't suffice as scientific evidence for extraterrestrials visiting earth. It's illogical to conclude that UFO = alien. Whether you agree with logic or not is down to you.
I like the Celtic design and shamrocks in your sig man
HGO
Only the good half.
LOL took the words right out of my mouth!
