Distant Outdoor Plot, Small 15 plants, Watering suggestions?

[antimatter]

Well, I'd say to start what is "very little"......is it 1"....2"?.....05"?....0"....and what in which months?...

What is native soil....what are the spots your working with (forest, open?), what are temps and humidity dealt with, etc.....and then maybe shoot for something which suits it all best and work around it, but, again, then we go back to "chasing it"...(cause you stated bad season....)

I was talking to a friend who lives in a desert environment, which has the monsoons come in, and he really wasn't able to tend often for various reasons which would be absolutely necessary for such a harsh environment (desert...up to 120's, no soil whatsoever, no water whatsoever), and then it kind of shifted to maybe go later, prep before monsoons, and then let the monsoons do half his work, and go from there........

You could alter approach...could do earlier things....could go AF....could go a combo (veg and get them ready and shoot for a trigger taking advantage of certain time periods and conditions and trying to avoid the worse ones...tail end of season......etc, etc....)

I mean, don't forget.....any and everything we do is what we determine...

Depends on spots also...I've had the same things in multiple spots throughout a wide radius, and my forest larger ones always have problems late season, while the smaller ones in open areas not only problem free (mold), but also best quality.....so, again, lot of variances just in spot alone....

No doubt about it sounds rough.......no doubt.....but, I mean...lot of things that can be done......and, sure......lot of them small things which in themselves not going to completely cure and address all problems, but, you know, as above...you build upon them, and layer multiple solutions and actions and you have a plan .....

If I was working with that, would be focusing I think on good prep, AF's, and on the earliest stuff possible with some 24/0 veg, etc, etc,.....

Just sayin....don't forget we are not bound by any one fixed approach.....

Sounds not too different from what I work with from August to finish...but with more extreme variation either way towards end...ie: One year harvest 100 and monsoons, the next could be 30 and snow....the next could be fine.....and so on......

But, as before.....I just worry about the "chasing it" thing.....and again...I've done it, so.......chasing it can be more disappointing than the alternative....ie: I've had seasons where I chased it...tried to mix it up based on previous season, only to see if I would have left it alone, would have turned out fine, so....consistency of ones season also the issue..(some environments basically clockwork year after year.....some completely different one year to the next, so......)

Options endless...could also try and counter with going early things, but then again your facing moisture issues (less/none), or go full term and then facing excessive moisture issues, and on and on....so....AF's earlier mentioned above, flip side is would be done with low moisture, but then with smaller things comes less prep and less water than larger ones, and on and on and on........

You know....all about manipulating approach to best serve one and their interests and the products needs in the most efficient way possible.....

I mean, no way possible to address (here, now) every single aspect about every single possible approach and issue..but lot of variation in what could be done and how......

I think if faced with such, I'd opt more to take advantage of lack of moisture (quality of product), shoot for early, prep well, and bring the water in....(prep would reduce visits and what you bring in to a degree...of course not completely, but, even if eliminates every other trip, a success....or even less......ie: 10 trips into 7.....7 into 4-5, etc.....)

Bottom line is I doubt there is almost (almost) no environment on the planet that people don't grow...so (I could say "Probably not in Death Valley", and 3 people might pop up and live and grow there, so ...you know.....)

I mean, I just try to discourage the "But I"....the "Can't", and the "yeah, but I'm", etc, etc....

You know, as above.....most of the time for every area and condition mentioned, there are people doing same area and conditions with success, so......

Majority of the time, none of us are alone...none of us work locations and conditions which no one has ever worked before, and so on......

I have a spot that's come up for next year......always waved off by a couple as an impossibility....mentioned briefly above somewhere....most would laugh and say "yeah, good luck with that".....already building supplies to bring in, etc....(ground might as well be just concrete.....)

I mean....this is certainly not the place to deem something impossible ........to me, this is the place that proves anything is possible

That being said, and said above, only leaves one to analyze and identify their problems and obstacles, research and or formulate the solutions (or multiple solutions), and, there you go.....

I feel best for one to spend their time and efforts on the objective instead of declaring an unfounded defeat prematurely....(which we saw quite enough of above...)

I don't know about anyone else, but there is nothing which is going to keep me from my objectives...(except of course workers which fail ....but that's out of their end anyway, so )...

I'll die before I give up and roll over.....and that's not an exaggeration either....I dont know how anyone else views this thing of ours, but when I commit to an op, I am indeed "betting my life" on it.....and I take it as such.....

(I'm also of the school that everyone should basically every thread, in every forum before embarking on anything.....because of course chances are they will see 10-20+ examples of that which they which they either do not know, or question, not to mention in the process, entire approach might very well change during the course.......a different one, a most cost efficient one, a more effective one, and so on.......which again, above, we saw an example of the result of not doing so.......)

There's always a way. For anything, anytime, anywhere.

Only question is how much is one prepared to do to address what their specific situation requires..

Few will say "whatever it takes", and even fewer will actually follow through ...

And in the end, that is probably the defining factor which separates one from another...one op from another....

I need to go back to running trees with a full irrigation setup, this year was experimental since Ive been playing around with the af's and im just not satisfied with them, they take at least 3 months and grow extremely slow, the only way your gonna get a plant that is gonna yield a half oz to an oz is if you your running in perfect soil mix, native soil doesn't work very well for them, 2 days of rain makes them mold out, least hardy plant you will ever grow and they stunt very very easily. Save your time and money on your regular stock.

Native soil 8-12" tall
Sunshine Mix with bone/blood/kelp 24-30" tall

 

[Julian]

You didn't have to quote my whole thing......

Believe me man.....I value the above opinion and overview.....I do....

Mold issue a concern have stated many times....I mean, if I run them early round would be finishing pretty much about worse conditions (temp/humidity/rainfall) that anything solid could....but, as have been focusing, would throw something in place and make it stick to address such issues......has been on my mind since first contemplated it....

Couple other interesting points:
Soil, medium, hole has been something I have pretty much seen across the board in anything, anywhere I have seen..(and have been through every single word written on every site about them last several years....and enjoyed it.....)

Was talking in thread recently about starts, restrictions, and similar matters, and, one thing that seems solid about AF's is you want absolutely no restrictions whatsoever, and also, hole size seems actually far more important for them, then for anything else.....far more....

You can find a lot of people who have done them out in larger containers (hole, root space basically) and has some pretty impressive results.......I've seen many cases people pulling 2+ per...one of last I saw on PG, someone almost hit 3's...

You know...I'm in this mini thing right now, for varied reasons...most stated elsewhere, and, all the pressure I keep getting from around me (in life) is going for the 5+ trees , which, while not my true desire (longer, more work, etc, more exposure, and on and on...) does cut down the numbers, less work in the end...and, actually, I have been wanting to for a while.....so....they're just sooo fuuuuckin biiig ...ya know? (actually not..one above if not tipped might have been 14-16feet....sure people do 5-6+ ers well under that, so....but you know what I mean.......very attractive from several angles.....and have actually picked up several new spots in last couple weeks...some fairly large ones...(half though would not allow 10' round bushes though ....so.....)

I do appreciate hearing the above though, but, know not walking into a cake walk with them....and it's all about the other specifics....but, yeah man, I assumed all of the above and find you sharing all applicable doesn't surprise me.....doesn't away me...just makes me realize I was right in my concerns and should follow them .....

Hole/medium seems to be universal issue with AF's regarding yield...(and even starting then moving them seems to be something to time right or no cigar...(half a cigar ......)

Yeah man.....trees been on the table last couple weeks, and keeps getting pushed back at me ......(fuck....200 trees,(spread far and wide, minimal per location) 1,000lbs seems pretty fuckin attractive.......10 locations, 20 each, probation for anybody...I mean......can't beat that....so......(1000 for me...that's about a 4 gross more or less...so...probation on 4 large beats 20MM-life any day of the week .....target this year is significantly lower than that with the latter penalties, so..(but, again, the flipside...quicker, smaller, etc...so...)

But, I love my minis man...I do.....they're just so quick...ya know?...minimal work, fast as all helll, low profile, and on and on......(and this year...what...3 months work instead of a solid 12?...ya know?....EeeEHHhhhhh .....)

Like hearing the above though.....never expected a cakewalk.....assumed most of the above.....fem and prep seems to be the significant issues....

I understand though....we all change a lot of things year to year (fuck, even day to day).....I've been talking to couple people last couple days.......I've been doing organic for quite a while.....extremely happy, no complaints whatsoever, at all....like it, but, you know....I fall short at some point in season, and, boom....chems get thrown in, and of course the logic then is all the benefit brought in by them, now basically out the window....so....I decided last couple days....I'm sticking with them, period....will just schedule a little different (actually as should be scheduled.....ie: first sign I see I am running low, grab more in advance with time to spare before tapped out totally.....)

(Actually an interesting note and the importance of random dialogue.....2-3 brief statements opened up the floodgates of thought on the point above.....I knew it.....was aware.....nothing new, but...that specific moment....boom....lot of things clicked, changing actually quite a bit of how I do things now and in future........so you just never know......I thought was interesting.)

I appreciate you sharing above......sounds actually like I was right on target about my concerns with them......pretty much same with the minis though...(and across the board...yield in your hole....as always......but, as above....from everything I know, seems like they are much more sensitive to it from day 1.....

Sorry they didn't work out for you, but, like anything, maybe best suited as part of a program instead of a larger portion.....(everything has it's time and place, use and benefit)....you already have the downsides under your belt....shame to toss it once you have it dialed and now well versed...., ya know?...ie: right along with trees, different approach, batch coming in halfway through to tide you over and for some ps and lunch money )

 

[antimatter]

Don't get me wrong they can work, but there something that needs to be Started in april or beginning of may to make worthwhile, also you wanna bring in your soil and not use mediocre topsoil like I have. Will I come out with something yes but not a lot, the growth rate is pathetic I wouldn't doubt that a late season mini would be 3x-4x the size and spend less time outside. The reality with the af's is they spend the first 1 - 1 1/2 months getting to a dwarf size plant then they flower for 8+ weeks, they need that 20 hours of light to finish in 2 1/2 months but even then there is always gonna be some that are not gonna be done till later. For the record the area that I have them growing gets sun all day long and lots of water, so there is no lack of light causing slow growth, just the fact that there not being grown in perfect soil, but even then they don't trigger flowering in time to consider them something exceptionally fast and early.

 

[Julian]

Yeah, for sure.......my interest in them is a May actually (started before, but as above have root restriction concerns.......

AF's basically my solution to "I wish I could do a mini run in May" ....ya know....if not an absolute impossibility to run an acre of more of minis, then just plain extremely unwise...ie: The time of year, eradication efforts and such....)

(Plus of course minis from completely different set of genetics....ie: whatever you choose....not whatever your limited to choosing from, etc, etc.....)

My world, considerable July product of decent quality?.....not priceless, but.....able to dump twice as fast, same amount if quality there, and so on and so on, so....you know...it is what it is and everything has it's place and serves its purpose....

Soil established as an issue.........but do you think due to any restrictions starting/transplanting/containers and/or depth of holes?....

Seems they set up fairly quick initially and continue to do so...(and any restrictions definitely reflected in size and yield.....(They don't seem to have the rebound something else would.....at all....that's been one of my concerns about starting a mass number....)

Wellllll...........if I'm pulling stuff in July, I mean...I consider that early ....ya know?......and, as far as "quick"......when talking a serious volume, May-July...I mean, that's quick too....(exposure wise......size wise, etc)....Current seems to be to set them up in agricultural setting, along with something else to mask them early on, etc, and assist with cover as time goes on, so...May-July looking like that's fine...."Knee high by July" Works for me ....

On a different note, we've definitely continued the original hijack...which isn't right, offers no assistance to threadstarter, and disrespectful, so.....we should probably...ya know...let it get back to his concerns and issues, etc....which require more attention than either of ours....

 

[antimatter]

hijacked I thought we were totally on topic here lol he seemed to be enjoying the discussion. Id have to say started end of april with really nice fluffy soil would work in an agricultural setting, but you would have to plant such a high number of plants initially that you would probably wonder what your were thinking, your gonna wanna spray your crop down with fungicide most definitely. The only rebound that I have seen is cold weather, Ive got some that I managed to prolong the growth period from end of march under a sheet of plastic to now and there just about finished maybe another week lol but the first couple months they never grew much just stayed alive and then when the weather got warm they took off like normal. Had a couple that were in 2nd week of flower indoors and I put them outdoors and the cold weather stopped them for a good month completely and when it warmed up they took off like normal.. not really a rebound more of a stall. Don't let them get root bound in there pellets could be a recipe for disaster, not really sure though since I never took a chance but that has been my understanding so far.

 

[Julian]

Well, you know....he humored but don't want to abuse it ...

I think my target would be somewhere mid May, so, of course, any head start would of course be a bonus regarding finish time (and also risk and exposure, etc)....so....but, again, goes back to starts and such cause numbers probably going to be over the top...ie: minimal footprint per, unless done outside in slightly larger containers...heated GH, something to that effect but would rather just start like I always do....but, numbers would (might) make that a little unreasonable....4k+ is a PITA......so......talking low/mid 5 figures, so....in ground would be later, I think even more of a PITA, so....not to that point yet....when time, will spend a couple days thinking, calculating foorprints and supplies and such and will arrive at what I think is best...(one of the reasons I wanted to play with those 3" pelletswould think a 3" pellet not going to hurt me for 7 days or so....and would judge it as proceeded to see what it looked like at 7-8-9-10 and so on and just get them out when I think they were maxing the pellets.....

Would definitely receive attention once underway...different setting so spraying not an issue...

Warmth issue though is a given.....applies to most things to a degree......I'm a little anal about start times and getting them out (temps)...I watch it pretty close and keep it tight and am used to the false alarms which occur at different times early on.....(ie: People don't watch, get a nice stretch of weather, jump the gun and a week later your back in 40's for another week or two, and so on.....just always hard to sit by when so nice out........every season seem to get an early stretch which lulls you (me) into sense of spring, but, nah....mid May the go ahead....(some years a little later...which again is a problem when on tight schedules with starts.....you time it for a certain schedule (to go out), boom, every season different and when goes later....if on a tight schedule man.....can turn into a mess

 

[antimatter]

mid may won't give you an early enough finish, have some that were started May 27th and there only in 1st-2nd week of flower, so that is another 6-8 more weeks, my main haul won't be done till sometime in September ;/ these are the feminized auto aks I made they finish normally indoors but outdoors way longer...

 

[zapatoloco]

Interesting discussion, but not only did you hijack the guys thread you also seem to have chased Silverback off the boards. Too bad, the old gorilla started a lot of interesting and thoughtful threads even though he was sometimes hard headed and set in in his (not always right) ways.

I would take Silverback over the throng of 18 year old wannabe narco gangsta sycophants anyday.

 

[Julian]

I wouldn't assume too much if I were you ....

mid may won't give you an early enough finish, have some that were started May 27th and there only in 1st-2nd week of flower, so that is another 6-8 more weeks, my main haul won't be done till sometime in September ;/ these are the feminized auto aks I made they finish normally indoors but outdoors way longer...

Well, sounds about right.....call it 3 to sex/establish sex, then call it 8 and your at 11 weeks. May 27 for sake of simplifying call it June 1st (5 days, not a major variance), June 1st, 11 weeks your near end of August, throw in any kind of stall and can see that....(Sept)...

Then throw in the variables one always gets from a larger population of seed...ie: some quicker, some later, some larger, some smaller, yield differences....and going to add to it...

All of the above why I've been trying to think over the absolute smallest container/method to carry in advance those first 3 weeks, as any delay going to cost you end of season time.........and any restrictions going to cost you in some way, shape, or form......

Then you have seasonal issues....one season early, one later, and on and on.......so.......well aware and working through many approaches and solutions, etc....

Starts and restrictions seems to be the primary issues.....starts being the one to address as volume going to make it a problem......(spacing, medium, etc)

Not to mention regarding variations and such....ideally, if all falls into place, I'm going to be running entire lines, multiple things, so....such will contribute to the above across the board....

 

[microgram]

Oh well, im totally SOL then, I started my guys on the first of june, and grew them under CFL's for a long time. 12 out of 15 have survived. here are some pics. I really hope the mad amount of mycorrhizial bacteria I put in it will push these hella fast. But I doubt here.
Not a fail grow yet, but it sucks from time to time. Past few years the weather has been very moderate and seemingly extended... The way it should be. Less intense summers, but longer. Doesn't hit 32*F(0*C) until mid october, with a low of 47*F(8*C) in september. The reason why I put the plants out now instead of planting very far ahead was because we still got snow a few weeks back. I would have started them super early if I had a chance, if I had a big enough space to grow them in. Meet the dilemma I had:

I have another project on the go, indoors though, hopefully this will help me a bit better.
Funny thing, the guy has NO idea that im growing outdoors. haha.

Pics:

I just realized that I lied to some dude, I didn't mean all four corners, these active hives are near the entrance. Thank god for deer though I follow their tracks to around my plot. I removed the hooks so now it's just fishing line, some epsom salts, and a bunch of piss. Sketchy tracks though, damn farmer! I don't leave nothin' behind! Except for some plants .

Bam babies as of yesterday ... I added some mulch to the tops afterwards

Here's the pond. Not the best of shots, and Yeah, you can see the line . I have it pretty well camo'd, not many fly overs. Next time I go out there im going to hide it.

And the reason for the weird darkness in the pictures is because I hiked in a bag and a bunch of other shit. including a bug suit. Best fucking shit ever. Absolutely no ticks on this goose,

Cheers to you champs, Keep on going off topic, I love the reads!

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I love growing, but im such a pussy. hah! Digging and hiking in weight are the two most difficult things that I have ever done. In one physical trip I hiked in something like 20 gallons of dirt slung over my shoulders while carrying garden hose, water, a change of clothes and a bunch of other shit weighing in at like 20 pounds in the other arm. Sweating buckets dudes. Had to change right after, looked like I showered.
Any comments as for the ladies? You think they'll finish in time? They're Fast Sweet Dreams, and apparently they finish late September. Im not expecting much, but expecting something might be a little too much? haha. I've been cruisin the forums, and my girls are certainly a LOT more petite than any of the others that I have seen. 4ft tall girls are a nice height. Next year im going to start MONTHS in advanced, that way they'll be a few feet when I move em out.

 

[zapatoloco]

Outdoor growing puts some nice muscles on us weed geeks !!!!! Soon you will be strong like Fedor and run around with big logs and smash tires with sledgehammers and put a hole through Brock Lesnars head !!! WOAH I'm drifting off topic... I think if you put them in now you should be ok and get something decent by the end of September.

 

[microgram]

Hopefully the conditions are premo and everything goes by good during harvest. Im going to go spray my girls with some very dilute vinegar and hope for the best. I got some 3.5 gallon buckets to transplant these girls into when they're close to root bound. Don't want to transplant them too late in the season, last thing I want is bud that has root hairs or some weird stressy shit. haha.

I can't wait to baby these ladies, I love em. So hard not to visit them all the time. Even then, with the weather like it is, the plants are getting all the water they can use. It's pretty inane. It's weird not to water them every day like I did in the pc grow case, so freaking weird.

They're all growd up . They can fend for themselves. Oddly enough, I didn't even harden them off, stuck them from 83*F to 60*F-70*F weather. It'll be cool to see how they turn out. Monsterly I hope.

Can't wait to go pick up nutes! I talked to, what I call a hobbyist friend. He's an old school chronic grower, he knew exactly what I was doing. Keeping it legal though, I didn't say nothin'. We et along very well, even though I only see him for about 5 minutes a week. Good guy. Talked about great ferts to use, when to use em. Not just reading the directions, but using previous years knowledge to help me out. That's what I call customer service!

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