The Most Basic Of Cloning Polls...

[Hal]

I'm getting ready to attempt my first cloning of cannabis. I have been doing some reading here, trying to find out which rooting powders and gels work best. I then stumbled upon a thread touting the wonders of cloning in pure water, and not anything else involved, not even aeration.

That just got me wondering....how many of you just use plain water like Grandma always did...with absolutely nothing else but time involved...and how many get more fancy with powders, gels, bubblers, etc?

So, this is the simplest of polls....plain water and nothing else, or, any other method

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Hal

Sometime when you're really bored and have nothing to do, go into a 'grow store' and ask to see each and every cloning product that they carry.

Just read the labels and look for the 'active ingredient(s)' vs. the inert ingredients.

It's educational if nothing else.

I use water and nothing else. I've used almost every product made since 1987 or so.

Try kelp meal tea with a small of B-1 sometime and see what you think.

HTH

CC

 

[Perpetual]

I really like dip 'n grow

 

[Clackamas Coot]

They were one of the first out there and is still the most widely used rooting product for the Christmas tree industry in the Pacific Northwest.

Good product and pretty much fool proof.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

hello Hal i use a clone bubbler i made [http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=96601[/url]
i prefer clonex gel as a rooting hormone but am currently tryn dip n grow all i put into the bubblers rez is plain PH'd 6.5 water. in my experince powdered root hormone comes off the clone and settels in the bottom of the bubbler. gel keeps the cut from dryn out if the water level evaporates to much.

 

[RussCargill]

I use a home built sprinkler cloner. Cost was about $35 bucks and a stoned hour to do it. I enjoy the fact that you can veg the plants up a bit in it as well.

 

[DrPoison]

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847&highlight=walmart+cloner

Check out the thread above by budleydoright for one of the cheapest, most effective cloners, and cloning methods (wick method) you can find. I personally use a mix of peri and verm and have a 100% success rate, and is as easy as Ronco's Rotisserie Cooker, you just "Set It and Forget It!" If you cant find a Wally World in your area you can use this method w/ an icepop maker, a tub inside a tub, or even a 2 litre soda bottle. JJSccorpio also has a good cloning thread that might be worth checking out. Heres the link:
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46778&highlight=jj+cloning

Good luck, but be careful, its very contagious and before you know it, you will have more plants than you know what to do with!

 

[Clackamas Coot]

hello Hal i use a clone bubbler i made [http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=96601[/url]
i prefer clonex gel as a rooting hormone but am currently tryn dip n grow all i put into the bubblers rez is plain PH'd 6.5 water. in my experince powdered root hormone comes off the clone and settels in the bottom of the bubbler. gel keeps the cut from dryn out if the water level evaporates to much.

Maj.PotHead

You may want to consider using pure humic acid. It will correct the water PH and is a tremendous rooting agent.

One of the posters on the Organic Soil thread has a compost tea brewer product line and also carries the necessary amendments for brewing compost tea.

One product that he carries which I highly recommend is their pure humic acid. This product (100% soluble) is the real deal - pure humic acid and not Leonardite. It runs $11.95 per lb. (ridiculous) and the normal rate of usage is 1/8 tsp. per gallon. This is the TeraVita SP-90 product. A website with a lot of information about the myths and truths regarding humic acids and their use in agriculture and horticulture.

HTH

CC

 

[purpledomgoddes]

kiss method.

black gold coco blend, or plain coco.

cheap root tone powder.

cut, surround cut w/ powder, place in coco, water lightly every 3d day for 14 days. end.

99.9% success.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Maj.PotHead

You may want to consider using pure humic acid. It will correct the water PH and is a tremendous rooting agent.

One of the posters on the Organic Soil thread has a compost tea brewer product line and also carries the necessary amendments for brewing compost tea.

One product that he carries which I highly recommend is their pure humic acid. This product (100% soluble) is the real deal - pure humic acid and not Leonardite. It runs $11.95 per lb. (ridiculous) and the normal rate of usage is 1/8 tsp. per gallon. This is the TeraVita SP-90 product. A website with a lot of information about the myths and truths regarding humic acids and their use in agriculture and horticulture.

HTH

CC

You may want to consider using pure humic acid. It will correct the water PH and is a tremendous rooting agent.

pure humic acid i amigine would drop waters PH i know Diamond necture 100% Fulvic acid dose. @30ml per gal water i dont need PH down

my water from tap is 7.2 PH and 600 - 800 PPM
i use organic soil from my local nursery, pure blend pro grow during veg
pure blend bloom and powdered kool bloom @ certin times during flower.

i used to use pure blend pro grow seaweed extract sweet liquid karma and diamond necture combined in veg and have fast growing strong large white roots.

but as of late i find pure blend pro grow during veg
pure blend bloom and powdered kool bloom @ certin times during flower to suite my needs nicely.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

kiss method.

black gold coco blend, or plain coco.

cheap root tone powder.

cut, surround cut w/ powder, place in coco, water lightly every 3d day for 14 days. end.

99.9% success.

black gold coco blend

would this blend contain spagum peatmoss if so its at my local nursery for 10$ a bag

if it is whats your thoughts on it

 

[Hal]

kiss method.

black gold coco blend, or plain coco.

cheap root tone powder.

cut, surround cut w/ powder, place in coco, water lightly every 3d day for 14 days. end.

99.9% success.

That is pretty simple, DomG...

But dropping a cutting into a lil jar of plain tap water has gotcha beat.

 

[SlowCalaToker]

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847&highlight=walmart+cloner

Check out the thread above by budleydoright for one of the cheapest, most effective cloners, and cloning methods (wick method) you can find. I personally use a mix of peri and verm and have a 100% success rate, and is as easy as Ronco's Rotisserie Cooker, you just "Set It and Forget It!" If you cant find a Wally World in your area you can use this method w/ an icepop maker, a tub inside a tub, or even a 2 litre soda bottle. JJSccorpio also has a good cloning thread that might be worth checking out. Heres the link:
http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=46778&highlight=jj+cloning

Good luck, but be careful, its very contagious and before you know it, you will have more plants than you know what to do with!

Just to show you HOW many ways there are to do the same thing, I use one of these - http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847 - with powder (probably superfluous) and 1 drop superthrive/gal (absolutely necessary) in a 50/50 pearlite/verm mix.

I've tried the bubble cloners with terrible results, even with the MANY people who use them with no problem I have only had about a 30% success rate with it, even after doing all the things that peeps have told me to get it to work. I just can't make the damn thing go...

Wicks are simple and idiot resistant ('cause an idiot will ALWAYS find a way to fuck it up!)

If you look in at my grow, I just last night put up a pick with 10 seeds popping in it on the right side and 8 clones rooting on the left.

Good luck with whatever method you choose. I've heard cloning described as "voodoo science". You can try one method that works awsome for some people, but the exact same setup in anothers' hands is certain death for the plants. I think it was freezerboy who said that, but I could be mistaken.

 

[netwerx]

I use classyathome's method.

Cut off a bit with a clean pair of sheers (Sheers cleaned with rubbing alcohol first, rinsed and dried)

Immediately put cuttings under water.

Mix tap water, little bit of water conditioner, and Stim-Root (0.1% IBA Rooting Powder)

Dip cutting in solution for a couple minutes.

Sit in container with lined with clay pellets, water once in awhile.

Clip excess leaves down.

Very good success rate.

 

[MR_Falcon]

I cut,trim, dunk in distilled h20, Olivia's cloning gel and into cups of cocogro cut w/ FF lite warrior. Dome for a few days, then they is good.(usuallY..)

 

[Clackamas Coot]

Reading the labels on rooting products

Reading the labels on rooting products

Auxins in seaweed include indolyl-acetic acid, discovered in seaweed in 1933 for the first time. Two new auxins, as yet unidentified, but unlike any of the known indolyl-acetic acid types, were also discovered in 1958 in the Laminaria and Ascophyllum seaweeds used for processing into dried seaweed meal and liquid extract. These auxins have been found to encourage the growth of more cells -- in which they differ from more familiar types of auxin which simply enlarge the cells without increasing their number.

One of the auxins also stimulates growth in both stems and roots of plants, and in this differs from indolyl-acetic acid and its derivatives, which cause cells to elongate but not to divide. The balanced action of this seaweed auxin has not been found in any other auxin.

Source: Seaweed in Agriculture and Horticulture published in 1968 and written by W. A. Stephenson, founder of Maxicrop

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

For me, just plain ol' water (in a medium, of course).

 

[purpledomgoddes]

black gold coco blend

would this blend contain spagum peatmoss if so its at my local nursery for 10$ a bag

if it is whats your thoughts on it

yes, contains canadian sphagnum peat moss, coco coir fiber, earthworm castings and pumice. no need to add anything to this. relatively cheap and available.
have not used the moss alone. 99.5% success rate. only losses due to neglect or experimentation.

That is pretty simple, DomG...

But dropping a cutting into a lil jar of plain tap water has gotcha beat.

use tap water too. but usually takes too long, so soak in tap until get impatient w/ process, then stick in coco.

also use pure coco bricks (broken up), hempy (perlite+vermiculite) w/ great success.

soil moist is great for cuts too. just saturate granules, dip in whatever gel/powder/etc used, and stick in polymers. keeps moist and permits oxygen in/out of scarred stalk. only have to pour little water into granules every 3-5 days to keep expanded. can also use this as a bottom layer of a tray/tub. have been experimenting w/ this (and many other experiments); and no algae was detected, even after placing it in direct light, fully saturated w/ water.

take cuts @ 1"-8", so viable @ any size.

although this is the "most basic of cloning polls", will add this bit of experimental experience acquired...

in this garden dont really ever pour out/dump run-off water, and dont use air stones, so run-off can get mucky w/ flora nova. use h202 on clones any way (both foliar and in root zone); but had some unwelcomed growth in drainage holes, so used iodine to kill whatever was present. they loved the disinfectant...

so now, every couple weeks, mix hydrogen peroxide and iodine (colorless), @~ cap full of h202, and 1/2 cap full of iodine, per 1 liter spray bottle. water clones+bonsai mums w/ spray bottle. kills fungus gnats, or anything else that they dont like. went further and placed more than capfull and they had residue afterwards, so if use this recipe, only use little iodine. together, they will oxidize anything present, clean roots/leaves and spur new growth.

even if iodine is too much for some, would never stop using h202 for cuts (foliar and root zone). deters pests to some degree, and oxidizes unwanted materials.

never cut leaves in half, use humidity domes, or use machines (air stones, pumps, etc). just cut off desired shoot, dip in cheap powder, place in cheap black gold coco, and wait 14 days. end.

hope this helps. enjoy your garden!

 

[ureapwhatusow]

I have gotten more robust root systems in under 7 days with rooting hormones. Without it would take up to 2 weeks sometimes more.

This is a picture I had of a 5 or 6 days cut, but for arguments sake ill say 6 days

 

[Hal]

One problem I kept hearing posters complain about was the tendency of stem rot or similar difficulties happening when using peat pucks with rooting hormones. It was explained that keeping the temps within an acceptable window was the answer to getting a healthy clone.

Then I found this thread:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=10827

There was no mention at all of those stem rot difficulties, no mention of needing to hit that temperature window, and the roots that were pictured seemed to be quite numerous and healthy. The only shortcoming of this method seemed to be that it might take an extra week to get the roots.

I deduced that there was something in the method(s) using the various media and rooting hormones that was, for some reason, causing these stem problems. Plain water, along with being very simple, also seemed to be "cleaner" and less susceptible to encountering clone death.

Anyway, lets keep this poll going. I'd like to get the participant numbers up so we have a nice size sample to really guage the true numbers on each side.

Thanks to everyone who has chipped in with votes and/or comments