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[shaunmulok]

hey there GMT how things growing, have been still here lurking around watching and reading, still waiting for my beans my neighbour purchased some the same day and has recieved his so i am hoping that with the swine flu they have just been held up, i still have my tri in flower after my hermi issue from what i can see there is only about 5 seeds in entire plant, i lost 2 plants that were right behind tri hermi the hermi was closest to the fan so it spread the pollen on those 2 they made some nice butter so i still have 5 plants gowing with about 5-10 seeds per plant will have to put up with some seeded bud for a while oh well its better than paying an arm and leg for some crap that will probably have seed anyway not to mention having to deal with shady people (not that all pot smokers/dealers are shady) just i dont have a regular dealer as i usually grow enough to get buy and if i run short im usually not too far away and freind will help out like i help them if i didnt give so much away or shout so many mixes we probably wouldnt run out, anyway what i have growing now will make some bubble just waiting for my beans to start off new mothers and get some sort of perpetual system gowing i have 2 seperate rooms just never run them at the same time, will have to make some adjustments as my back is stuffed couldnt walk for about a week and my system is drain to waste and plants were on the floor so a cheap table has been made from a simple 4x4 pallet and some laserlite sheeting and some guttering now i dont have to bend down so far and i dont have to pickup each plant after it drains now i am working on drippers to make life easier again but its only a 9 plant setup and i like the hand watering so i can inspect my plants closer but my back is failing due to many years of butchering will try and get camera and take a pic of remaining tri tommorrow stay safe all and have a good day

 

[magiccannabus]

Here is my North #1. She started with only two nodes per set, but when she turned mature, she went full blown trifoil. I haven't flowered her yet. I am waiting for her to get tall enough, but she grows very slowly vertically. Now she just grows in an upward spiral, a new branch offset by 1/3 from the others.

 

[Forest20]

GMT.. "scrabble effect"

In say that in theory it more like a Hard drive info is still their just not in order...

 

[GMT]

Hi Neko, glad you're still about.

Hi Shaun, I thought you'd chopped your hermi, it would be really interesting to pop those selfed seeds, prob gonna hermi on you so I prob wouldn't take em all the way, but just out of interest it would be nice to know if they too were tri's or if they would be regular seeds. 5-10 seeds per plant isn't too bad at all. Still gonna be a lot of nice bud on em. I know what you mean about dealing with the shady people, I wont do it these days at all. Spent too long wondering if I'll be sorted, simply ripped off, or worse mugged. The prospect of being busted also comes into play buying on the street. Sorry to hear about your back. Sounds like you've been busy on the DIY front, I'm useless with tools, so I have to keep everything very basic, I also hand water, but keep numbers so low that it wouldn't be worth me doing anything else. I'm forever staring at my plants, just watching them grow. Looking forward to seeing your tri, I do like to see other people's.

Hi Magic, stocky girl (hopefully) you have there, really tight nodes. Some bi's do turn tri, some tri's turn bi, never anyway to predict it really. How long are you leaving it before flowering? I tend to just flower mine as soon as they show sex, well they are really in flower from the start, always less than 18 hours of light a day, I'm not normally awake for that long lol. Did you do a photoshop extraction on those pics? I wondered to start with how you got the background so perfectly white, then noticed the outline around the leaves. must have taken a while.

 

[GMT]

Hi Forest, yeah, good example of the gentic code scramble that happens at the haploid creation point. I have no idea whether the CATG is read in a linear fashion or from a side on collision type of deal though. I'm guessing there must be some linear reading as other wise everything would only be 2 digits deep. (1 at the haploid stage). Glad you're reading the thread rather than just looking at pictures Thinking though, it is more than just the "hard drive effect", as some of the info is also doubled up, and some of it is deleted, but where it is jumbled, what I called a scrabble effect and you refered to as a hard drive effect, I guess the reading mechanism is important. A computer will remember where it put the data, and read it in that order, a scrabble player will read a new word, or gobbledee gook, where a series of letters is rearanged. I've done alot of research, but not enough to know how the protiens that are actually produced from the code, are manufactured from the code.

 

[Forest20]

Ok I got it in theory it is more of a x to y axis with an ad variety in the code and where it happens If we knew that we be rich haha Ok you be rich

 

[GMT]

hhhmmmmmm, you losst me there lol. ok quick example:
Mother's Diploid code section = C(A)C(A)C(A)T(G)T(G)T(G)
scrabble effect:
Mother's haploid section =TCCTTC
Doubling effect on same section of haploid genetic code:
CCCTTTCCCTTT
Deleting effect on same code:
CCC (could just as easily be TTT) (or CCT)
Reversing effect on same section of code:
TTTCCC
It all goes on within each haploid chain of DNA, and in a different way in each of them, so its a wonder really that we dont get chickens hatching out of weed seeds with all that scrambling of DNA.

 

[shaunmulok]

Yea the i had a quad that hermied about 2 weeks after female presex due to heat issue which pollenated the 2 behind and one next to it badly most hais turned brown then i had another 5 females no sign of hermying which i treated with budwise blast and 2 follow up treatments with dutch master reverse one of these was the other trifolate which was at the back of the room so this was actually pollenated with a quad hermie(another plant) from heat issue and lack of water i will keep the seeds from this plant only no other seeds from room will be kept ??? will see if any of these pass on the tri or quad trates but concerned about hermi trates being passed on also

 

[magiccannabus]

Hi Magic, stocky girl (hopefully) you have there, really tight nodes. Some bi's do turn tri, some tri's turn bi, never anyway to predict it really. How long are you leaving it before flowering? I tend to just flower mine as soon as they show sex, well they are really in flower from the start, always less than 18 hours of light a day, I'm not normally awake for that long lol. Did you do a photoshop extraction on those pics? I wondered to start with how you got the background so perfectly white, then noticed the outline around the leaves. must have taken a while.

I used paint shop lol. I am a bit embarassed of how long it took, but oh well. I don't like to include anything in my pictures that I don't need to/are identifying. Nothing major, but I am fairly paranoid about some things.

Anyway, the way I am growing is very abnormal and so I need to train my plants to a fairly exact profile. They need to not grow more than 3-5 inches from the main stem and not be more than 26 inches tall when I move them to flower. With stretch they end up from 30-38 inches tall and have a radius of 6-7 inches tops. So she is only 8 inches right now and growing very very slowly. I have no idea why she grows so slow, but she's filling out beautifully. I have not topped her at all on the top anyway. I trim back the side nodes though all the time on all my plants to keep them really tall and narrow, but extremely bushy. My clones waiting to go into flower are much better than their seed-based parents in this regard. They're doing exactly what I want them to, but North #1 is just plain not in any hurry. At this rate it will be at least a month, maybe 2 before she's ready. She'll be worth it though. I just wish she'd stop shading everything else in the veg chamber! Right now she's 8 inches tall and 14 wide. Stocky for having such strong sativa heritage. She's C99 X Blue Kiev. That line has almost no Indica in it at all from what I can tell. Just some Afghan landrace I think. You'd have to ask OG Bub for more info.

 

[GMT]

wow shaun a quad and 2 tris, you need your own freaks thread like mine. I'm so glad I dont have to worry about hermies in my line, I dont know what Id do if the girls started to drop balls on me. I think I'd actually cry lol. It will be interesting to see what pops, but I think you do run the risk of having hermi offspring.

LMAO magic, yeah I have spent a long time extracting stuff from photos in photoshop, its really not an easy process. Adobe sent me an email advertising elements 7, saying its easy to remove stuff from photos now, but they want propper money for it, and thats the only new feature, so I'm gonna leave it and hope I dont need to take much out of future photos. Interesting way of pruning that. I always leave my side branches to grow as tall as possible so the top buds on them get as much light as possible. Do you find the popcorn swells on side branches pruned back to the first node on them? I can see the sense if it does, kind of leaves you with colas from the bottom of the stem to the top bud. I always find that clones underperform compared to seed grows. I can never get a clone to do what the original plant did, but then I never spend as long vegging a rooted clone as a seed, since I flower everything as soon as it can be. I should have guessed yours was something blue, it seems to be where most tri's originate.

 

[magiccannabus]

I guess I didn't explain my method so that's probably confusing. I'm using all vertical T8s. I have 16 F32T8s surrounding my plants, for a total of 512W. There is no light at the top at all. Basically you can think of it like a screen of green, only on it's side, and 360degrees around the plant. Instead of a screen I just top the sides and obsessively train them into a tight bush. I have to keep it within 3-4 inches of the main stem all the way around or when it stretches, they'll grow straight into the lights. I also use kinetin to keep the stretch under control, and with the purple haze, the results were impressive to put it mildly. The Trainwreck X Sour Diesel plants had stretchy arms that had to be trained into a spiral(sort of looks like a swastika from the top... oops....).

I'm doing a perpetual where I keep many plants waiting for a few slots. So whenever something finishes in the flowering chamber, it goes back to revegg, and a new one is ready to take it's place. Since I am growing this way, even extremely long veg times are no problem at all. I prefer they grow really slow and really dense, rather than stretch all over the place. The veg cab has 9 x 23W CFLs, all are daylight except the middle one which is 2700K. So far everything in the veg cab is extremely dense, except maybe my Purple Haze clone, which is as difficult to train as it's mother.....

 

[GMT]

That sounds like an awesome chamber, ok I just noticed you have a link to the grow, I'm coming over to have a look

 

[shaunmulok]

All the tris and quad are all from the same bagweed very small dark black seeds i still have some of the originals from the oz that i found them in i found about 30 from the oz but of the 10-15 planted only had the 3 mutant plants several didnt even crack after 14 days i have had the seeds for a while could be around 5 years so i expect some arent viable as they have just been kept in the cuboard just in zip bag cant even remember the smoke but description i have written on bag sounds promising and im not one that buys cheap/crap weed and i wouldnt keep seeds unless i thought it was good enough to grow none of the weed going around here has had names since the late 90's when white widow made a big hit around here as well as one called yellow cab which i havnt seen around and of course NL and big bud flooded our market for a while but i have not seen anything from the street whith a name for years exept for a couple of freinds that have purchased seeds in the last 2 years but these are only small ops like mine just enough for personal as i stated before i usually just scrape through i would like to add another 400w but i dont want to inrease plant numbers because 10 or more usually leads to a place i never want to go that is why i havnt run a perpetual system before but i would like to find a nice pheno mum and have the option of taking clones and running them to shorten times instead of popping beans every time i also stop indoors when its outdoor season which just ended for me i like the different effect the outdoor stuff gives me, i hope i cleared up my luck with the tris still have some originals so the might even get popped next run to see if there is anymore amongst the remaining seeds

 

[GMT]

Yeah I keep numbers low for exactly the same reason. Deffo sounds worth while popping the rest next run. I can't say I've ever tried any decent outdoor stuff myself, so I have no idea how the effects differ.

 

[shaunmulok]

I feel its more of a head spin like when you go to bed after dinking heaps of booze and the lights go out and the room spins i still like to harvest at intervals fist chop 50/50 clear cloudy trichs second chop 50/50 cloudy/amber so i get the best of both worlds a clear smoke for the day and some knockout for bed also helps with my back and to sleep otherwise i wake up hourly

some outdoor photos 09

 

[shaunmulok]

a couple others

 

[magiccannabus]

Lovely herb brother! Shots like this are part of why I'm thinking about weed 24/7.......

 

[GMT]

I'd love to do an outdoor grow, but it would get seen, then I wouldn't be able to do any grow. Looks like you get decent results anyway. I'll make do with my sleepy buds, I prefer them that way anyway. Can't stand it when the bed spins, I'd rather it stay still and turn into quick sand for me

 

[shaunmulok]

lol yea i know what you mean thats why i gave up drinking alcohol if i smoked outdoor with a few beers it would almost everytime make me drive the porsolen bus but this could also be due to the medication i use for my back it does warn that it increases the effects of alcohol and now it cost to much and homebrew is not as satisfying as growing as far as my grows being seen my neighbours are cool and i dont have any visitors or trafic but i did have the local government council come around for a inspection to inspect aspestos that is part of my fenceline i had to make up a large frame with shadecloth over it to hide them but unfortunatly he took for ever to come on proposed day and plants suffered some severe heat stress due to it being 42c lost some yeild i am sure of it, one plant the entire crown died from the shadecloth laying on main stem and fried it it is a serverly, f**ked up plant had issues i couldnt solve its entire life its still growing now after 16 weeks flowering not much yeild but it smells like cats piss and is covered in trichs i will post a pic 2morrow i threw some pollen on it(durban poison purple outdoor father pollen sacks deep purple not from cold) and have produced some seeds for next years outdoor going larger and earlier had a few setbacks this year insect kept eating seedlings so i will start them indoors and harden them off and out they go for a jump on the season going for a pound dry off 1 plant i fell short this time would have gone close if i didnt loose so much due to heat stay safe

 

[al3ck]

i have also a plant like that...i will upload a photo when i will do it...tommorow...