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[British_Bulldog]

Sometimes it's not clear cut and flowering times can be deceptive.

For example, I've had several plants in the past which have flowered in 7-8 weeks but have a definate sativa up high, Apollo 11 being one of them.

I think Chocolope should come in the hybrid category, and it's a fine line, but regarding indicas there's not much about nowadays which is full-on indica.....a full on indica should debilitate you, lock you to the couch and send you to sleep after a while.......I had a Northern Lights #2 which flowered in 8 weeks, I left it for 9 weeks and it would incapacitate you for over an hour....bombed and unable to move!! Definately not one for the day time!!

It's tricky to classify things nowadays it's true, and in future maybe we should stick to the flowering time rule, over 10 weeks with half cloudy half amber trichs and it goes in the sativa category.

Peace

 

[JamieShoes]

I think I agree actually mate... having 2 categories, one for Sativa and one for Indica when nearly all entrants are hybrids is a little baffling... besides flower time which can be a little subjective there are many other triats and quailties that could make you think a plant was from one category when another could make you think otherwise...I think I see what youre saying .. if it went much longer than 10 weeks and wasnt fully amber, then it MUST be sativa dominant right?


It's not hard to baffle me though :smile:


edit to add... funnily enough, someone on another thread mentioned that this year, so gouda was entered nto a different category to last year, to which I replied that I thought it must surely be down to the pheno being used...one indi dom and one sativa... I'm not sure about that now either...

 

[Mr.Dissent]

Sometimes it's not clear cut and flowering times can be deceptive.

Dude, it's C99 man. Congrats though ojd, but shoulda stuck with fruity skunk because this other pedigree is friggen hilarious.

 

[justagrower]

8 week - thai x haze hybrid backcrosses lol whatever next

 

[McSnappler]

See u again next year friends (hmm, and I have to prepare my entry a lot better...hehe)

I think those outdoor buds were always going to be struggling in an indoor dominated competition (and indeed, indoor dominated weed market in general), which is no slight on the standard of them in any way.. I just feel the majority of people want dense nuggets of goodness these days!

 

[Londinium]

For all knowitall moaner's....whenever it is that YOU are putting on a weed comp that allows me to enter against the best of the Pro's and Independents(If they all have the bottle to enter that is!) I will gladly enter and attend it..Please let me know when these events are...But until then My Only option to compete internationally with my(or anyone elses work 4 that matter)is the IC cup and it may not be perfect...but it can only get better if more energy is put into the cause we all care about rather than childish dissing matches.
I don't know why people bothered attending if they are just gonna moan as soon as its over......Whats so great that you are all doing right now...Not a F--king lot...I thought so...Talk is cheap. PUT YOUR OWN CUP ON IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!! This thread is very dissapointing,Was it s'posed to be a Slag off the only available cup we can enter thread...lol. The funniest thing is when you are all face to face you obviously don't say shit about these things that are Sooo important now,otherwise the cup would've had a few punch-ups...cluck,cluck....
I personally will continue to use whatever Herb sites I feel like and enter whatever cups are open to me whoever is slagging them off....As my agenda is to be better and better at what I do,which is growing,breeding and spreading great ganja,which the cup really helps with....Beginning to wonder what many others agenda's really are? JBo

 

[British_Bulldog]

Dude, it's C99 man. Congrats though ojd, but shoulda stuck with fruity skunk because this other pedigree is friggen hilarious.

Mr.Dissent,

When I said about flowering times being deceptive I meant in general. Chocolope may have Cindy genes, which bring the flower time down, but this bud does not smoke like Cindy.

I much prefer the Chocolope cut to Cindy. A11 was another story, and if a good cut of that was entered in the Cup I think it would either win, or come very high up the rankings........only problem is, which category to put it in!! lololol


Peace

 

[Ganja baba]

what a waste of reading
i was the guy who entered not dna
so if i entered reeferman strain would i get the same 6 pages of waffle

thanks for the positive comments
medi evil
british bulldog
mcsnappler
mr biggs
doctoren
fizznomb
indiferent

i had a good week
the samples were definately worth the $ as 3 of the entry's were bublehash and that stuff goes for 50 euro minimum for the quality so thats half the cost
but if they were not put together that would of been very expensive
i would of liked to see a few events happen or at least a award party,these are great times to meet with everyone and have a good chat
greenhouse was so full we left and went to barneys afterwards

you tell um bro ,you won fare and sqare bro , and you won twice , may be the grower grows dam fine herb guys , choclope or big bud it dont mater , it was the growers cup and ojd won it , dont take that away from the guy with negative vibes ,,, big up the happiness guys , smoke a joint and think how good it is a uk chap and one you all know, brought this home ...

from my point of view , if you turn up to the event and peoples leave there neg heads at home , its a fucking great time , you dont need coffee shop weed , all you need is a fat smile on your face and you get free weed every where you go ,its smaller than the ht cup , and good for it to ,
when you buy a pack you look at it and think fuck i aint never gonna smoke all that , also to buy that much weed in the coffee shop , you got to be pulling 10 to 16 euros outta your wallet for just a gram ,

when judging the weeds , we just smoke um , smoke um and then smoke more , i understand about the indica sativa mix up some people cant understand , but hey these things evolve over time ,

for me i think if the more categories there are the more chance of mix ups , if there was a land race section i will be there will be none land races getting entered , it doesn't mater , either it swings to the more sativa side or indica , you should be able to decide which way your sample swings regardless of what some one else is saying ,

so the only changes i would make to next years cup , is . when voting on the paper , we have to give each sample a score ,

i think it would be far more prudent to have indica / sativa ratio section , so the tester can all so add if they think an individual sample is more sativa than indica say , some thing like this Indica 60/40 sativa , so then we could relate this to the cup findings ,

 

[Ganja baba]

I have seen terminally ill people, that have just been informed they only have a short time to live, that complain less than some of you people.

The truth is, 90% of the people dont care about your problems & negaitive experiences, and the other 10% are glad you have them.

If you are contributing positive suggestions to help make the event more enjoyable for all concerned, thats one thing, however, all I hear is counterproductive crying & bitching over a few fucking Euros', for an event that has no significant impact on your lives.

Seriously, if the 300 euros you spent to take part in the Cup turns out to be the worst investment you ever make in your life, than your going to be just fine, and get out cheep.

And the solution to your quandary is simple. If you feel you're being treated unfaily, or perceive that there is some kind of injustice being perpetrated against you, stay away,! Go and spend your 300 euros to watch a monkey fuck a footabll, or whatever pulls your trigger and entertains you.

Nobody likes to be around complainer's....except, perhaps, other complainers.



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in a nut shell bro in a nut shell , dam it would have taken me three pages to get them points across in those terms , spot on my man spot on , you are the kind of chap i wanna meet at the next cup , clone your self and send many other you'S and i think we will have a great flippin time ,

 

[Ganja baba]

id say thats a indica power plant as ive seen powerplant grow for 10plus for a proper sativa pp rare to find these days
where did you get yours from seed co or clone

we still grow dutch passions power plant fromseed , it is very sativa and very long flower 13 , weeks . nothing at all like the coffee chop pp ,
nice pleasent smoke , buds could be tighter though

 

[Ickis]

I grew mine outdoor from seed and came close to winning. Next year I will use a clone like Chem D or The White. I wasn't expecting people to just enter cuts. That is OK but I will know next year. Strain for strain outdoor nugs are more dense then indoor just like a 1000w nug is denser than a 250w nug.

The indoor legend will last one more year. Next year it will be different. I got sidetracked when somebody posted "anybody can enter an elite cut and do well" so I went the grown from seed route. Plus it wasn't a selection made from a lot of plants it was 1 female from 3 seeds.

Next year I am entering Chem D and The white grown outdoors. I will be prepared.

I think those outdoor buds were always going to be struggling in an indoor dominated competition (and indeed, indoor dominated weed market in general), which is no slight on the standard of them in any way.. I just feel the majority of people want dense nuggets of goodness these days!

 

[McSnappler]

I grew mine outdoor from seed and came close to winning. Next year I will use a clone like Chem D or The White. I wasn't expecting people to just enter cuts. That is OK but I will know next year. Strain for strain outdoor nugs are more dense then indoor just like a 1000w nug is denser than a 250w nug.

The indoor legend will last one more year. Next year it will be different. I got sidetracked when somebody posted "anybody can enter an elite cut and do well" so I went the grown from seed route. Plus it wasn't a selection made from a lot of plants it was 1 female from 3 seeds.

Next year I am entering Chem D and The white grown outdoors. I will be prepared.

I apologise, and stand corrected! I should've rephrased slightly probably..

"I think those outdoor buds from the far north were always going to be struggling, which is no slight on the standard of them in any way.. I just feel the majority of people want dense nuggets these days!"

 

[THC123]

Strain for strain outdoor nugs are more dense then indoor just like a 1000w nug is denser than a 250w nug

indeed , you are lucky , we here don't have an intense enough sun during flowering

 

[JamieShoes]

I know what you guys mean. Usually, in this part of Europe, we can spot outdoor a mile off, but to be fair, Ickis outdoor looked nothing like I'm used to seeing either, in the UK and some parts of Europe, we just can't grow it that tight outdoors :smile:

Top work Ickis, and a great climate you guys have... must save a fortune in lekky bills :wink:


I have a question for you Ickis, and OJD and Londinium and any other entrants who would be gracious enough to answer...

Some of us new guys would like to be producing herb to the standard that you are. As a goal I mean, I appreciate the quailty you're turning out doesnt happen over night and takes time and hard work... but, is there any chance you could give some folks like me a few pointers on your methods of preparing?

Things like drying and curing, any special additives you might use to increase terpin production, things like that?

Of course I can appreciate if you want to keep your tricks top secret... after all, it IS a competition :wink:


Ultimately what I'm asking is, how do YOU prepare a cup winner?



many thanks on behalf of all aspiring growers everywhere

j :smile:

 

[Ickis]

indeed , you are lucky , we here don't have an intense enough sun during flowering

I know. I got some Royal Dane seeds started too. I loved the look of that plant since I first saw paddi growing one right outside or right inside his greenhouse a couple years ago. I want to see what that strain can do with some more sun outside. I am not in the south though but I am in a great summer growing season at 40 N. If Royal Dane comes ripe in September around here there will be more than enough sun to make some really fat buds if it is possible.

Hey McSnappler I figured you were going by the Royal Dane in the contest and it was grown by basically eskimos in the cannabis world. But paddi does great for growing in the conditions he grows. Outdoor in England is hard enough. Outdoor in Denmark or somewhere like that is a miracle. I am hoping around here the RD buds get fatter and more dense and come in real early for a bonus crop of decent smoke.

I was just starting some trash talk for 2010. I got bested by ojd, cloudz and a few others after I was smack talking for a year. LOL! I took a lickn' but I keep on tickn'.

Ickis will be loaded for bear in 2010.

 

[McSnappler]

is there any chance you could give some folks like me a few pointers on your methods of preparing?

Things like drying and curing, any special additives you might use to increase terpin production, things like that?

Agreed Jamie, would be great to hear how the guys go about preparing their entries. You and I clearly share the same goal for 2010 hehe

My personal assumption is that it's down to genetics, selection, and everything being dialled in from day one of the run, then a proper, slow dry, and a good cure.

Would love to get some insight from the heads who entered.

 

[Karma Genetics]

Harvest one week L8ter then you think they are ready.

A real good flush, proper dryed and cured.

 

[THC123]

Maybe if we could cover the plant from the sun so it flowers during summer , we can get almost similar results , but i am too lazy to cover the plants for so long.

Been thinking of an automatic system , but then i thought to myself , nah , fuck it , got a homebox now , why go through all the troubles , i'll just stick to early outdoor strains like frisian dew and 'ill try Guerilla gold this year.

But i bet outdoor weed grown in good conditions is way way better and tastier than indoor weed. Lots of outdoor weed here is already better than what u get in coffeeshops lately , even though it looks like crap.

I would love to move to spain one day(welli would prefer italy but laws are too crazy there) , me and my babies need the sun , we need it bad

 

[British_Bulldog]

Hi McSnappler,


To win the Cup next year, or at least place high, I reckon this is needed:


- A good, strong elite clone with bag appeal (many to choose from!), preferably rare which people don't know well.

- A properly fed and dialled-in grow (in organics), a mixed spectrum of HPS and MH, and a lot of light to bring out the best in the plants (growth, density, bud formation, etc)

- A proper and thorough flush, with yellow leaves at the end, showing the plants have used up all the nutes

- A 2 week slow dry with the correct temps and humidity

- A month cure (minimum)

- Good, secure packaging to protect the buds from being damaged.


If all that is done, I'd say you've got a potential winner on your hands!!!

The bar has been raised, so now it's time to rise to the challenge!!


Peace

 

[Paddi]

If there´s enough outdoor-entries, we can have a seperate voting for od-buds.
At least I hope so :smile:


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