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[j.guit.err]

Since my temp problems are solved, I'm thinking about getting another vanity fixture to mount on the ceiling this weekend. I've got 5 bulbs in there on the fixture, and I have another 3 in the little bulb to plug converters hanging from a power strip. It's still only 80F in there, so I figure this could be a nice addition.

How do you think the carbon filter will affect my airflow and thus my temps? I'm trying to figure that out before I start flowering.

 

[K.J]

Since my temp problems are solved, I'm thinking about getting another vanity fixture to mount on the ceiling this weekend. I've got 5 bulbs in there on the fixture, and I have another 3 in the little bulb to plug converters hanging from a power strip. It's still only 80F in there, so I figure this could be a nice addition.

How do you think the carbon filter will affect my airflow and thus my temps? I'm trying to figure that out before I start flowering.

Only 80? I think 80-85 or so is perfect. I wish I could answer your filter question in a more specific, intelligent way, all I know is that it will definitely have some impact on it. The only way to know for sure is to test it.

 

[j.guit.err]

True. It's crazy how much of an impact the move from the closet out into my room in the dresser made. Temps with 4 bulbs were 90+ in my closet, and temps with 8 bulbs are below 80 in my dresser. I wish I had realized that last time!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

nah you guys are a little confused. topping and fimming arent for training. theyre for making plants bushier. when you top a plant the next node dow becomes the top, or the 2 tops. as it were. trainings is to keep them low and uniform as is a scrog screen.

supercropping when you break the stem over so it grows horizontal is the high stress equivalent of lst (aka tying down).

when you top and fim its to somewhat control height but mostly to produce more growing tops. many colas vs 1. still gotta lst or supercrop, etc to keep the height under control.


this plant is tied down which makes the other nodes get branchier and as a result the side branches all make little colas and the plant stays short because the sides are the top.



this one i topped like 1 time. as you can see in picture 2 this made the branches the tops, but since i didnt lst too much they quickly grew tall anyway. in order to keep the plant short you do one or a combination of more than 1. also depends on when you flip to flower how late in veg you top etc. like if you just grow it lst then top it right before you flip to flower it will mostly stay that height. if you top early then lst before flipping to flower it will still do the flower stretch, just now all the branches will stretch too since theyre now the top.


this one was topped 3-4 times and lst before flipping to flower. its done stretching now but as you can see i still needed to tie it down or else it wouldnt have fit in the cab. all the colas you see are side branches. and as you can see they stretched a lot.





this one is a good example. no topping just lst, training it around the rim of the pot. still grows and stretches, just mostly on the branches instead. had it been more indica the branches would need to be tied down also like the previous picture.

 

[K.J]

nah you guys are a little confused. topping and fimming arent for training. theyre for making plants bushier. when you top a plant the next node dow becomes the top, or the 2 tops. as it were. trainings is to keep them low and uniform as is a scrog screen.

supercropping when you break the stem over so it grows horizontal is the high stress equivalent of lst (aka tying down).

when you top and fim its to somewhat control height but mostly to produce more growing tops. many colas vs 1. still gotta lst or supercrop, etc to keep the height under control.

No, we're not confused. LST'ing (the way I plan to do it) is not just for controlling height. In fact, in the case of my current grow, it's entirely to create bushier plants with more "main" colas since these strains won't overgrow my space if they go into flower soon.

 

[j.guit.err]

Nice, well those were both good ideas. To maximize my chance of success, I am two weeks into veg, when should I top? I think I have almost 4 nodes. What would you guys suggest?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

whether or not you think you're confused im just letting you know how its been for me based on what ive learned in the past 10 years and my own personal experience.

 

[j.guit.err]

RIght, I trust you man, how would you do it in my setup then?

 

[K.J]

Nice, well those were both good ideas. To maximize my chance of success, I am two weeks into veg, when should I top? I think I have almost 4 nodes. What would you guys suggest?

As I mentioned before, I wouldn't top, just LST. Here are a few great threads for you to study if you're interested in learning more:

LST training in detail. Why bushes are better

An Overview of Cannabis Training (ScrOG, SoG, FIM, Supercrop, LST, etc.)

Understanding the Art of LST - Before You Look at Any Pics, Read This First

 

[j.guit.err]

Thanks man, I'll read those tonight!

 

[j.guit.err]

Update:

I've transplanted and added 3 more bulbs. Temps are still solid at 81F now.

More lights!

The runt:

Second smallest:

Plant 1:

Plant 2:

They look more burned in the pics than they actually are. I'm not sure what it's from. It's not the heat or nutes since it's organic, but they look good.

What do you guys think?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

check ph.

 

[j.guit.err]

Yeah my PH in the water is fine, but the organic soil PH is a bit higher than I'd like. Everyone on the organic board says not to worry about Ph, but I can't get the soil PH down. I've got lime in there and everything!

 

[j.guit.err]

Man this is bullshit. My plants are looking more and more burned. What the fuck happened to the dolomite lime and the fact that organic soil is supposed to be PH-worry free?

 

[j.guit.err]

Could this be a mag deficiency? It's describes as necrotic leaves moving from the bottom up, which is what I have. How would I solve this ASAP?

I don't have easy access to a grow shop, so I'd need something easy. Thanks guys!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

how much lime is/was in your soil?

it breaks down over time. like 2 grows and i had to relime my soil because it was letting the ph drop to the point where i get a bunch of def at once. lost a couple plants before i figured it out. i use organic too and never phed it because it was in range all the time and i stopped checking. but now when i see def i check the ph right off to rule it out.

yeah its prolly a mag def, its maybe cause the ph is out of range long enough for it to lock up.

 

[j.guit.err]

It was whatever amount was recommended in LCs mix, and it had about 3 weeks to mix in. My PH meter shows my soil at 7, which is high, but they said that the living soil should mostly negate my high PH. Man this sucks.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

ph the runoff water not the soil.

 

[j.guit.err]

Okay, well I am 99% sure that it is Mg deficiency. It's only the old growth (mobile) and it's yellow spots starting to turn rusty which is characteristic of Mg (lack thereof). I've whipped up a foliar spray of 1 quart water and 3/4 tsp of epsom salts and applied this mix while lights are off. I'm hoping that this will help my problem, we'll see!

Thanks everyone for your suggestions, hopefully this will work. I'll post pics when this stupid uploader isn't on the fritz anymore.

 

[j.guit.err]

Update.

The plants are looking good, here are the pics. What does everyone think? When should I throw these into flower?

Peace. Some comments would be nice too!