AM I LOOKING AT TMV ?

[Greyskull]

Aloha everyone.

I've been better, and I've been much worse... but right now I am teetering.
I think 2 of the new clones I picked up recently may have the TMV. I am trying not to be a hypochondriac but I have been reading a lot of stuff about TMV lately and I am concerned I may contaminate my whole garden if this is in fact the virus....

The plants in question are the Larry OG Kush & Hell's Angles' OG Kush.

I picked them up 12/06... they were in 1" rockwool cubes (fully rooted) when I brought them home (along with a ChemdogD... see pic below). I have since loaded them into 16oz cups filled with Canna Coco, and have been feeding them Canna's Coco program (A/B+Rhizo+Cannazym) with 2.5ml/G Cal/Mag ending up at 850ppm ph 6.0. IMO the plants look like they could use a shot of N, at least. I have heard OGs are finicky, but my SAC2 is kicking ass and taking names. And my other plants on the table are "normal".

Its the curled leaves with the discoloration at the inside half of the curled leaves that are making me feel a litle queesy. Here are a few pics of each plant.

HELL'S ANGELS' OG KUSH


LARRY OG KUSH



Is this just transplant shock and I should chillax and be stoked I have some crip plants to grow...

...or do the girls looking like they have TMV need to be chucked on principal for the general good of the garden? I already have enough plants most growers would love to have as it is and I do not need to be a glutton at the risk of infecting the whole OP...

Heres the ChemdogD I picked up at the same time
Chemdog D not showing symptons



WHAT DO YOU THINK?

 

[stinkyattic]

Could possibly be related to damage suffered during the cloning process so let the plants recover from cloning for another week and see what ya get, but I'm not ruling it out. That sideways curl around a splotchy pale patch of tissue looks very much like tmv to me.
Make sure you have no pests in there to transfer disease, and use sterile tools on your other plants until you figure out what is going on.

 

[killa-bud]

i don't think plants could get tmv from other plants,isn't it genetic?


idk,i can't find what i thought i read

 

[JeffSpicoli]

i think it can spread, but it is for sure genetic.
Do you smoke cigarettes in your growroom greyskull?
i decided to take a photo of my Larry OG thats effected by TMV
(jesus the photo upload thing is slow)

I would say youre Larry and HA for sure have it, dont see any signs on your Chem D... But isnt the chem d suppposed to have it the worst?

 

[Greyskull]

Thanks for checking in stinkyattic, Killa-Bud & JeffSpicoli

No cigarette for this guy! Ick!!!!
I don't even take bong rips in the garden....

I thought the D would have it for sure but mine is looking good ths far.

Part of me wants to just chuck 'em... part of me says "chill" and the whole while my veging girls are swaying peacefully with the fans....


JS - how long have you had your infected Larry? Has it spread to any other plants you hold onto?

Thanks for all the help everyone!

 

[JeffSpicoli]

This particular cut of the larry ive only had for like a little over a month.
Ive had moms of her in the past with the TMV, as well as had a Ghost MOM for several months which showed the virus.
Not once have i seen it on any other strains.
Ive only gotten it myself on the ghost cut og, and the Larry ogk.
I think when i used to have a mom of my friends Valley cut it would occasionally show it as well.

But never on any other strains, and i definitely have never seen it spread.
I dont even notice it having any sort of a negative effect whatsover, more just some strange leaf mutation it seems.

DO NOT CHUCK THE PLANTS.
Jesus, if you dont want them give them too me

 

[ItsGrowTime]

That sideways curled leaf with one side yellowing is a dead giveaway of a TMV infection.

 

[Greyskull]

MAD PROPS & MUCHO RESPECT JEFFSPICOLI & IGT

I will keep them aside to minimize spread of infection.

Hey is the TMV spread thru shared nutirent solution (ie recirculating ebb n flow) or is it strictly passed on thru direct contact?

Thanks

 

[ItsGrowTime]

That Im not sure about....but I wouldnt risk it. There's a good bit of info on the net about TMV so you can research if you want to know for sure.

 

[libby]

And tmv is? sorry for my ignorance.

 

[JeffSpicoli]

tobacco mosaic virus

 

[libby]

aaaaahh! tomatoes! used to grow the best round my area,,in my green house, having trouble growing mj in the house though.

Potatoes are the same family.

Could it be potato blight

 

[ElGato]

pretty much all the OG cuts(and a few others) in circulation have this virus, whether or not it's tmv idk

as long as the plants are kept in good health most if not all of the symptoms will disappear.....and it dosent seem to affect yeilds, again as long as the plants are kept healthy

it will spread if you use a bubble/aero cloner with mixed strains, so i would think it's the same for a recirc system, but once theyre in the recirc system they'll be in flower right?.....just keep em healthy and you should be fine bro

oh ...it seems most of the chemD cuts going around also have a virus
go figure


mj

 

[VenturaHwy]

I have had it on my plant for about 20 years, you definitely have the virus. Search this forum for the thread "I think I have a virus" for more info.... If the plant is growing real fast it doesn't do hardly any damage, so keep it healthy... I get great yields so I don't worry about it.

 

[G4life]

Tmv?????...

 

[LiLWaynE]

Tmv?????...

thats a bad ass lookin leaf.... have never seen one like it

 

[Deft]

One of my plants is starting to have leaflets turn sideways, and on two leaflets there is a variegation like pattern. I do keep cigars in the same room the grow closet is in.

The pic is dark but you may be able to see the lightened part on the topmost leaf right side.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Is anyone actually doing any real research on the symptoms of TMV.

Variegation is not one of them.

Tobacco MOSAIC virus.

It leaves a mosaic mottled pattern on your leaves. Actually google some pics of it guys.

It does NOT produce what g4life is showing. That is not tmv and a simple variegation that many genes have the ability to produce under certain conditions...marijuana or not.

I don't see TMV anywhere in this thread...just some stressed plants.

http://www.apsnet.org/Education/feature/TMV/Images/tobac30.jpg
http://www.apsnet.org/education/feature/TMV/Images/tobac32.jpg
http://www.forestryimages.org/images/192x128/1234120.jpg
http://www.solutions-site.org/artman/uploads/img_1681_dan_k.jpg

The generic term "variegation", which means mutated leaf, covers a wide range of leaf anomalies, not just the pics you linked to. Variegations certainly can be caused by viruses. The exact virus in question may not be specifically TMV (which isnt even the scientific name) but does that *really* matter? A virus is a virus. If you want to get down to semantics over what virus exactly, go ahead. It doesn't change the ultimate goal of the topic which is to identify a virus infection. None of us are scientists but experienced growers can tell the difference between an abnormal leaf caused by a virus and something less sinister like a deficiency or heat stress.

http://www.sgaonline.org.au/info_variegation.html

There is, however, another sort of variegation that is not a benign mutation. It is the result of disease-causing viruses or virus-like viroids and phytoplasmas, of which there are hundreds.

Feel free to think that it's not a virus but Ive carried this same exact leaf trait through 2 years of growing the same strain from clone, so I know it's not "stress" or the result of poor growing. It's a genetic condition that is passed down from clone to clone. What causes genetics issues? Quite often it is virus infections that alter the very genetic make-up of the plant. Anyway, there are other threads on TMV (or similar virus) on this forum that come to the same conclusion about the one-sided leaf bleaching. Look them up.

 

[VenturaHwy]

Is anyone actually doing any real research on the symptoms of TMV.
Variegation is not one of them.
Tobacco MOSAIC virus.
It leaves a mosaic mottled pattern on your leaves. Actually google some pics of it guys.

It does NOT produce what g4life is showing. That is not tmv and a simple variegation that many genes have the ability to produce under certain conditions...marijuana or not.

I don't see TMV anywhere in this thread...just some stressed plants.

I have had the virus on my clone for about 20 years so that makes me about the most experienced on this forum as far as cannabis viruses goes... also I' ve seen it spread to every seed I've grown in the room, every plant displays the symptoms a little differently, especially if they have more sativa in them. Your experience with cannabis viruses seems to be about zero...

JeffSpicoli's and Greyskull's plants definitely have the virus, G4lifes also has the leaf twist towards the virus half though I've never seen it do that exactly, but it looks cool...

Search this forum for the thread "I think I have a virus" for more info, and this thread has some shots also...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2060068#post2060068

 

[sarek]

TMV is one of the most studies viruses in Plant molecular biology. Ever. Still there are thousands of plant virueses that might infect plants, some unnamed. A more important question is does it affect yield? Many of us catch miscellaneous viri and do not know or care. Occasionally they cause low level chronic problems. Often healthy living will keep virus at bay. Occasionally virus wins.

I think that if u get cuts that look good no obvious virus. Thats a monogamous relationship with your plants. If you slut around with lots of OG....... well whatya expect beddin down with the dawg?

Seriously, I see these things around but so far yield is fine. So not too worried. These cuts that are going around from grower to cloner to shop may pass thru many grimy hands and etc.

Happy new year!