Janedope's Grow

[janedope]

That helps alot... i'd been lookin around but it seems im not the only one who was confused... Alot of people we're sayin it is the way a plant grows nodes either uniformly or not that determines if it's a genius... i figured that to be untrue and one or two threads did actually mentions the bros grimm but amongst the other 100 definitions id found i didnt really know which one to take as truth....

Note: I did have to raise the light about 9 inches the center of the lighted area was hitting about 88 degrees F just from being so close to the lamp... after raising it last night and checking it this morning i'm holding about 75-78 degrees F. It actually made the light a bit more spread out over the plants too...

 

[janedope]

So actually one more thing, i noticed alot of droopiness this morning, especially w/ the indica's, mendo purps in particular.....





I assume this may just be from a long day yesterday. They got clipped, repotted w/ new soil and nutes they didnt have before, and i changed the light from 240W blue spectrum fluero's to the 250W Red HPS.... any suggestions anyone???

real quick my dogs wont leave me alone so heres a shot of em:

 

[cellardweller]

thats called transplant shock, jane. Give em a day or two to get by it..they will recover just fine..

 

[janedope]

unbelievable

 

[janedope]

so the sox lost. cora shouldnt have started. willie aybar is a piece of shit.... oh well shit happens and theres always next year. hopefully the stinging goes away soon

CD so sorry to hear about your brother... its never easy losing a loved one even if there wasnt too much communication lately... i dont really know what else to say about that so ill leave it alone....

as for the plants i just woke up, probably gonna burn one then give the girls some water if they need it and ill post an update...

 

[janedope]

so everyone looked good and thirsty.... they all got watered no food... i'm not really gonna feed them the new soil they got moved into has guano so that should be enough nutes for em... Friday they'll go into 12/12... The clones all look good hopefully 4 days or so and theyll be able to go in some dirt. I cant wait to start seeing some bud but i do have to get a vent fan and carbon filter this week cuz its already getting pretty stinky... Here is a shot of the room, the clones in the cloner, and one of my A11's gettin some LST and responding well to it

 

[Danger Mouse]

JD,
Been looking for A11 for a long time. Unfortunately, I don't live in a "clone friendly" state.

Best,

DM

 

[janedope]

yea it's a hard strain to find, like i said i just got pretty lucky...

 

[janedope]

so i installed some new hardware in the grow room...
i got the glass shield for my light and the exhaust setup...





and i made sure the hole in the roof was light tight and air tight...




and that duct vent goes into my attic...



and then into a fan that blows it through a carbon can filter to control odor....



so everythings ready to go to 12/12, my odor control, light control, i have a veg chamber ready.... friday i'll start makin some bud!!

 

[La Grasserie]

right on man, right on

 

[cellardweller]

lookin good janey!
Hows the sound? Still pretty stealthy?
I had a chance to smoke some A11 last night and Im just gonna say its straight head cracka bud without a doubt..lookout kid, this stuff sat me down hard for a bit..

 

[janedope]

yea the fan could be a bit quiter but ill try the cooler trick....

so the girls started their 12/12 today. the veg chamber is in a seperate closet and the clones started to root, a bit slower than i thought but they're doin good.

 

[cellardweller]

yeah, Im thinkin lower temps might be hinderin..not too sure though. I know for sure that the white cuts will take the longest and she's a slow grower for sure. I just saw the moms again last night and they are in perfect conditions, but in stasis. They just arent doing anything in veg mode right now. But they are 2 feet tall and ready to hit it..
That cooler trick was from a good dude who used to post round here, I'll see if I cant find a link to what he did to give you a visual on it. Pretty simple though and I think you should already have a decent handle on it, if not having already finished it.
Any chance of some last pre flower pics before the weekend is out? Try to throw a tape measure in there for some reference on stretch later on. It'll help you dial in a nice canopy down the road..
much peace and tell the fam I says HI!
~cellard

 

[janedope]

i prob wont do the cooler till next week.... ill def get some pics up either tomorrow or mon, im seeing more rust coloring on the leaves... ill water tomorrow some with lower ph and some with higher... when should i test the run-off?? right after watering or the next day??

 

[SevenSeeds]

Hmm Wattup Jane, that 250w hood is beefed up what you sualy get yeilds with that dry? I have some apollo 11's seeds too, Im interested to see that mendo purps, have you worked with it before? I'm a new member long time viewer, seen your work before Jane, hope to see you guys around I got a tons of strains working with... pEACE

 

[cellardweller]

catch the runoff when you water,then check it right away. Try to get some good pics of those spots and post em. I'll get someone with a lil more knowhow than me to look at em..
eddit: janey, try to get them pics up A.S.A.P. I pm'd a friend and she should be checkin in soon..hopefully sometime today.

 

[stinkyattic]

Jane- test the runoff next time you are due for a watering. Test teh water pH BEFORE running it through the plants, and then again AFTER. Post up both numbers. Pics are good too.
Also check your test method; if you use a meter make sure it is calibrated correctly.
Cellar tells me you are using H2SO4 for pH down? I'm concerned about that. Plants need sulfur, and cannabis actually does like a good bit, but unless you are doing regular flushes, you could be salting your soil with an excess of it. H3PO4 is a better choice.

Also, put those bags up on something like a drying rack to help drainage. I've seen them drain poorly just sitting on the floor, and that can cause overwatering/lockout/soil chem fuckulation symptoms (drooping and rusty spots) like you describe when the low soil zones become waterlogged and anaerobic.

Edit: Just outta curiosity- why are you dropping the ph to begin with? A promix-type soilless mix right outta the bag is good to use on almost any water source; it's over time that you start to see issues that require pH manipulation, and that is a sign that it is time to re-pot.

Personally, by symptoms and the pics of the very wet soil in the cups earlier in the thread, I think that you are simply overwatering, and the too-acid solution is not helping.

Looking good overall though. I have a cut of that same plant that was given to me by a friend who picked her up at nugs n jugs VT. I just got her 2 weeks ago so haven't flowered yet, but she's a pretty girl and yes, was given to me as the 'Genius' cut.

 

[cellardweller]

ok jane, help is here...just so things are clear for everyone here,H2SO4 is the sulphuric base we are using to get your PH down. Im not sure what H3PO4 is ..yet. We are using the pet store method of checking PH for now. 3 drops to 5 ml. of water to test.
Jane is using not a Promix soilless, but FFOF amended with guano, and dolomite lime with perlite as well. I forget, did we use bone meal and blood meal as well? I dont think we did..

jane is also using old juice containers for pots. I would say 2 liter to just over 1/2 gallon size. We wanna try to keep em contained a lil bit and they were just re-potted before flower to finish in those containers...
jane..get them pics goin bro..
stinky..thank you very much for the help..

~dwellard

 

[janedope]

ok so i woke up REALLY late today and im running out the door for work... i got some quick pics sorry for the shortness of this post.... Stinkyattic thank you for stopping by and for your help!! i hope these pics are ok like i said im in a super rush this morning...

my tester and ph down





apollos






ec sours








purps






and a room shot



i tested my runoff today its 6.8
ill be back on tonite gotta go!!

 

[Quazi]

It sounds like you are using organic products and organic soil amendments. Why would go and mess with all of that with some (more than likely inorganic) sulphuric acid? It's been repeated more than once in the organic forums that organic growers just don't have to worry quite as much about pH in the first place. Now you're already jumping to adjusting your soil with a powerful chemical? I mean, you realize that an example of H2SO4 occurring in nature is acid rain, right?

FFOF amended with guano, and dolomite lime with perlite as well.

You've already got dolomite in there to equalize the pH in your soil so you should be pretty good to go. If you really think that adjusting your pH is necessary.You should consider checking out an organic solution to compliment your otherwise organic grow.

Also maybe before you go using the H2SO4 as your pH adjustment, you should check out the organic forums a bit more. Here's a good thread to get you started:
Which vinegar for pH down?

I know it doesn't sound relevant, but both BurnOne and Suby have some good comments in there about pH and organics. Here's a particularly relevant gem where BurnOne talks about why he doesn't adjust the pH in his organic grow:

My Pure Blend Pro solution after mixing runs around 4, and my guano teas can go as high as 9 if bubbled long enough. Never had a problem. I used these nutes for many months before I ever bought a pH meter. Then I got all worried about it. Started using Earth Juice natural pH up and down. Then I realized there was no change. I was still getting those big fat buds as usual.

Also, when it comes to H2SO4 and plants, I'm reminded of the (probably now forgotten) science rhyme:

Johnny was a chemist
But Johnny is no more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

I'd be too afraid of my plants turning out like poor Johnny the chemist. I'm sure there are plenty who could come in and call me a naysayer and say that inorganic pH downs are just fine for their grow and I'm just full of it. So you should inform yourself and make up your own mind on the matter:
H2SO4 from Wikipedia



-Q