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RePost from Infirmary....Cal Def in Coco...Leaf Curl...
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Sam Slambam
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HOw do folks?! Hopefully quite well I might add.
Been quite busy myself and have had little to no time to keep y'all up to date. I found a few minutes and thought I'd do so.
I have been adding an extra half a teaspoon of Calmag+ to every gallon of feed water and that has seeeeeemingly been making a bit of a difference for the better. I have also upped the feeding frequency and EC. ALSO, I've upped the pH to 6.0. So I can't really say that I know which factor or combination of factors to attribute the slight rebound to, but, I'll take it!
I took some cuts and I am trying my first take at cloning, ( in rockwool cubes w/ Botanicare Powerclone, in a humidity dome), so fingers crosssssssed!!!!
Here are a couple pix...
I don't know, I guess they look "OK", but they just don't look anywhere near as good as my ones in soil. Still though, I haven't fully given up. I've come this far, I might as well see things through. Also, its only week one of 12/12, I'm still not even sure what gender they are!
Here is a pick of a bud from bagseed on my last run in Moonshine mix.
UPDATE AT LAST
HOw do folks?! Hopefully quite well I might add.
Been quite busy myself and have had little to no time to keep y'all up to date. I found a few minutes and thought I'd do so.
I have been adding an extra half a teaspoon of Calmag+ to every gallon of feed water and that has seeeeeemingly been making a bit of a difference for the better. I have also upped the feeding frequency and EC. ALSO, I've upped the pH to 6.0. So I can't really say that I know which factor or combination of factors to attribute the slight rebound to, but, I'll take it!
I took some cuts and I am trying my first take at cloning, ( in rockwool cubes w/ Botanicare Powerclone, in a humidity dome), so fingers crosssssssed!!!!
Here are a couple pix...
I don't know, I guess they look "OK", but they just don't look anywhere near as good as my ones in soil. Still though, I haven't fully given up. I've come this far, I might as well see things through. Also, its only week one of 12/12, I'm still not even sure what gender they are!
Here is a pick of a bud from bagseed on my last run in Moonshine mix.
sam, coco will break down over time. coco i believe, atleast for me, will last 3 runs. after that my ppm runoff gets real bad. flushing is necessary imo, even with fresh coco.
I will also say, leaf curling may be a over watering problem. but......see, it sounds weird, overwatering i say. u think i water every day or twice a day. or every other.
but when u water coco continually you are replacing the stagnate water in the medium. the water has become depleted of oxygen. roots LOVE oxygen.
so when u water u are replacing the oxygen levels in the medium.
i have found with younger plants it is important to water daily, especially when using an oversized container for that perticular stage of growth. if u use smaller containers u can get away with watering every few days. it all depends on how fast that plant is taking up the water from the coco. if its taken water fast, your oxygen levels will increase because the coco is drying out abit more between waterings.
good drainage is important as well.
i have also found that after every watering with young plants in coco, i get better results if i lift and drop the pot a few times to let gravity pull the water out of the coco. this i found is only necessary in slower developing stages.
check your runoff ocasionaly, if u dont have a meter, check the color of the run off. if the run off is the same color of the coco, water with ph'd water every few feedings. to help flush built up nutes or decayed coco.
When coco decays it casue high level of K, high levels of K in your mediums will lock out N CA & MG. Do a search for an antagonism chart here on ICmag. It will help u greatly in diagnosing plant issues.
Hope this advice helps u. it's what works for me, hope u the ways it will work for u.
B-safe
I will also say, leaf curling may be a over watering problem. but......see, it sounds weird, overwatering i say. u think i water every day or twice a day. or every other.
but when u water coco continually you are replacing the stagnate water in the medium. the water has become depleted of oxygen. roots LOVE oxygen.
so when u water u are replacing the oxygen levels in the medium.
i have found with younger plants it is important to water daily, especially when using an oversized container for that perticular stage of growth. if u use smaller containers u can get away with watering every few days. it all depends on how fast that plant is taking up the water from the coco. if its taken water fast, your oxygen levels will increase because the coco is drying out abit more between waterings.
good drainage is important as well.
i have also found that after every watering with young plants in coco, i get better results if i lift and drop the pot a few times to let gravity pull the water out of the coco. this i found is only necessary in slower developing stages.
check your runoff ocasionaly, if u dont have a meter, check the color of the run off. if the run off is the same color of the coco, water with ph'd water every few feedings. to help flush built up nutes or decayed coco.
When coco decays it casue high level of K, high levels of K in your mediums will lock out N CA & MG. Do a search for an antagonism chart here on ICmag. It will help u greatly in diagnosing plant issues.
Hope this advice helps u. it's what works for me, hope u the ways it will work for u.
B-safe
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Sam Slambam
Member
Gmanwho,
Thank you very very much for all of the very valuable insights. The part about oxygen was particularly interesting.
I too do the pick up the pots and drop them and gently shake the water out bit!
Your tips will def be useful to me now, and in the future, ( should I decide to continue down the Coco route),.
Yet again I have some bad news.
Out of four Bogglegums, one appears to be female.
Fucknuts.
So between my 5 mountain jams in soil and my 4 bogglegums in coco, thats a grand total of two ladies.
Double fucknuts.
Soooooo, I chose the best males out of both batches and I'm going to do my first ever seed run. I'm going to build a douple of clear tuperware male "isolation chambers" ala a design I saw on here that came via JLP. I believe I'm going to try and dust a few lower branches on both females so that I can still harvest some unseeded buds. I will do a mix and match too, A couple branches of MtnJam on the Bogglegum and vice versa etc etc.
Hopefully then I will be able to start over and pool from a larger selection of potential ladies AND see if I can come up with any interesting crosses.
Thank you very very much for all of the very valuable insights. The part about oxygen was particularly interesting.
I too do the pick up the pots and drop them and gently shake the water out bit!
Your tips will def be useful to me now, and in the future, ( should I decide to continue down the Coco route),.
Yet again I have some bad news.
Out of four Bogglegums, one appears to be female.
Fucknuts.
So between my 5 mountain jams in soil and my 4 bogglegums in coco, thats a grand total of two ladies.
Double fucknuts.
Soooooo, I chose the best males out of both batches and I'm going to do my first ever seed run. I'm going to build a douple of clear tuperware male "isolation chambers" ala a design I saw on here that came via JLP. I believe I'm going to try and dust a few lower branches on both females so that I can still harvest some unseeded buds. I will do a mix and match too, A couple branches of MtnJam on the Bogglegum and vice versa etc etc.
Hopefully then I will be able to start over and pool from a larger selection of potential ladies AND see if I can come up with any interesting crosses.
G
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Those look pretty damn good, imo.
Glad to see you're not completely giving up.
Glad to see you're not completely giving up.
T
tex1969
Sam,
I am just starting with coco also, your last pics look like nice plants. The question I have for you is if your coco plants get as much leaf color as your soil do?
I am just starting with coco also, your last pics look like nice plants. The question I have for you is if your coco plants get as much leaf color as your soil do?
Sam Slambam
Member
TEX- to answer your question, no, they do not. At least thus far that is. My plants in moonshine mix are looking waaaaay healthier. BUT, there could be numerous reasons why they aren't as green, and I'm sure it has little to do with the fact that they are in coco and lots to do with the way this grow has been going down since the get go.
~fvk~
the Lion is going Guerrilla...
Coco is well worth getting dialed in... As others have said it's your first time as well...
I'm on my second coco run and it's going a hell of a lot better than the first. Things take time man... Take some clones and start over. You'll learn what your strain does and doesn't like from there. Start them out in coco instead of Faux Farm next time...
I'm on my second coco run and it's going a hell of a lot better than the first. Things take time man... Take some clones and start over. You'll learn what your strain does and doesn't like from there. Start them out in coco instead of Faux Farm next time...
Sam Slambam
Member
FVK- is that perhaps a reference to the fearless vampire killers? either the song or the movie?
Clones. I'd like to take some, ( I did, but the ones I took cuts from turned out to be males), but they are already in flowering, which I am told is a no-no. No?
Clones. I'd like to take some, ( I did, but the ones I took cuts from turned out to be males), but they are already in flowering, which I am told is a no-no. No?
Sir D
Member
just in case you stick with it you dont want to flush in coco if anything use a low low feeding but you dont want to wipe out the buffer if anything you want to replace it with the new one but not eliminate it so is the word on the street. unless they are completely fkd then let them finish they'll still produce.
Sam Slambam
Member
Howdy folks, sorry I've been lax about the updates, but I'm sure we all know just how crazy life can get at times.
So my Coco experience,.....
It's been a wild ride to say the least. I've come to this conclusion about it though, my life simply does not allow me the time to water daily. In the future I would like to go back to coco, ( but that means learning about automated systems and I know NOTHING about them), but for now, I'm sticking with soil and my Biobizz nutes.
I don't want to let my ONE lady die but I simply can not justify buying the rest of the nutrients and additives for one plant. I am only in possession of the H&G Coco A+B and their Roots Excelurator. I've been led to believe I will not be able to achieve much of a worthwhile harvest on these ingredients alone.
WHICH LEADS ME TO A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION....
Can I say;;;;;;;
Flush the coco and start using my biobizz nutes just so I can finish this lady off?! My guess is no, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has any experienced thoughts on the matter.
CHeers!
SAm
So my Coco experience,.....
It's been a wild ride to say the least. I've come to this conclusion about it though, my life simply does not allow me the time to water daily. In the future I would like to go back to coco, ( but that means learning about automated systems and I know NOTHING about them), but for now, I'm sticking with soil and my Biobizz nutes.
I don't want to let my ONE lady die but I simply can not justify buying the rest of the nutrients and additives for one plant. I am only in possession of the H&G Coco A+B and their Roots Excelurator. I've been led to believe I will not be able to achieve much of a worthwhile harvest on these ingredients alone.
WHICH LEADS ME TO A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION....
Can I say;;;;;;;
Flush the coco and start using my biobizz nutes just so I can finish this lady off?! My guess is no, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has any experienced thoughts on the matter.
CHeers!
SAm
Sam Slambam
Member
well I done gone and did some searching, ( vis-à-vis the magic "search" button in the top right), and found some info on organics and coco. From what I can tell, it is "possible" if not a little bit of uncharted waters to be heading into. What I can't figure out at this point is
A) could there be any major complications that could arise due to a switch in nutrients types at this stage in the game?
B) PH. Should it stay at the 5.8ish range or bump up to 6.5ish?
I'm going to take a bunch more cuttings tonight in the hopes that I can keep this lady around in the future. So in essence what I'm saying is, if I lose her to this experiment than oh well, she should[I/] live on to see another day in clone form.
I also dusted my mountain jam lady ( which is looking fucking amazing ) with some pollen from my extra stinky Bogglegum male. That could be nice to work with. I am nooooo breeder, just a hobbyist.
A) could there be any major complications that could arise due to a switch in nutrients types at this stage in the game?
B) PH. Should it stay at the 5.8ish range or bump up to 6.5ish?
I'm going to take a bunch more cuttings tonight in the hopes that I can keep this lady around in the future. So in essence what I'm saying is, if I lose her to this experiment than oh well, she should[I/] live on to see another day in clone form.
I also dusted my mountain jam lady ( which is looking fucking amazing ) with some pollen from my extra stinky Bogglegum male. That could be nice to work with. I am nooooo breeder, just a hobbyist.
Sam Slambam
Member
Well, just thought I'd offer up an update.
I've made the switch from the H&G nutes to the Biobizz. So far, so good. Been PH'ing to 6.0. No disrespect to the H&G nutes whatsoever, but, I dare say my lady looks healthier and growth rate seems to be increasing.
Once there is a pic worth uploading, I will do so.
I've made the switch from the H&G nutes to the Biobizz. So far, so good. Been PH'ing to 6.0. No disrespect to the H&G nutes whatsoever, but, I dare say my lady looks healthier and growth rate seems to be increasing.
Once there is a pic worth uploading, I will do so.
~fvk~
the Lion is going Guerrilla...
Hey good shit man. Glad it's working out for you.
You know dude, you probably don't need to water everyday, unless your plant has gotten pretty big compared to your containers. I know some people are pretty quick to say coco can't be overwatered and that it should be done everyday but I'm calling bullshit and have been for awhile. You don't fix an overwatered plant by watering it even more.
I had to learn the hard way too because of misinformation... Your root ratio to container size makes a big difference. If you keep drowning a plant thinking that it's going to get better, it's going to keep the roots lazy and small, not allowing them to fill up the medium for optimum uptake. Coco holds a LOT of water even though it releases the excess. Combine a larger container with a smaller plant and you have overwatering. I think that if you give coco a try again and only water every other day or so you'd be happy with the results.
You know dude, you probably don't need to water everyday, unless your plant has gotten pretty big compared to your containers. I know some people are pretty quick to say coco can't be overwatered and that it should be done everyday but I'm calling bullshit and have been for awhile. You don't fix an overwatered plant by watering it even more.
I had to learn the hard way too because of misinformation... Your root ratio to container size makes a big difference. If you keep drowning a plant thinking that it's going to get better, it's going to keep the roots lazy and small, not allowing them to fill up the medium for optimum uptake. Coco holds a LOT of water even though it releases the excess. Combine a larger container with a smaller plant and you have overwatering. I think that if you give coco a try again and only water every other day or so you'd be happy with the results.
Sam Slambam
Member
FVK
I've been thinking along the same lines as far as not watering everyday. She seems happier that way, every two days, three at the max, she IS after all in a 3 gallon pot of 100% coco. SO, more or less like soil, ( which I know to be a verboten statement in regards to coco),. PLUS, I'm now having a frigging fungus gnat problem, the the added dryness should hopefully help that situation, I also added a two inch layer of perlite to the top of the pot, hopefully these methods will prevent me from having to take further steps to rid them.
I've been thinking along the same lines as far as not watering everyday. She seems happier that way, every two days, three at the max, she IS after all in a 3 gallon pot of 100% coco. SO, more or less like soil, ( which I know to be a verboten statement in regards to coco),. PLUS, I'm now having a frigging fungus gnat problem, the the added dryness should hopefully help that situation, I also added a two inch layer of perlite to the top of the pot, hopefully these methods will prevent me from having to take further steps to rid them.
~fvk~
the Lion is going Guerrilla...
Lol, I go do to an edit and I see that you had already replied. Good shit man.
I was going to tell you that if you start seeing lockouts adjust it back to 5.8... But things that aren't broken don't need to be fixed so I hope it continues to work out for you.
Coco being watered every couple days is still better than soil in my opinion. The time you want to start watering everyday is when they start drying out the medium quick, which should mean the roots are all built up to hell. If you wanted to avoid this, a transplant into a bigger container would be the solution...
Fuck gnats man, here's to you getting rid of them...
I was going to tell you that if you start seeing lockouts adjust it back to 5.8... But things that aren't broken don't need to be fixed so I hope it continues to work out for you.
Coco being watered every couple days is still better than soil in my opinion. The time you want to start watering everyday is when they start drying out the medium quick, which should mean the roots are all built up to hell. If you wanted to avoid this, a transplant into a bigger container would be the solution...
Fuck gnats man, here's to you getting rid of them...
I agree with ya on the watering fvk, I too have found plant size to container size very dependent upon how often they need watered/fed. Lately, I have been mixing nitrogen guano, glacial rock or azomite, with dolomite in the coco and its keeping them green without having to feed all the time. Feeding every other watering or so with compost teas of various organic goodies. Good luck, Sam, and stick with it...I was all fox farm, but found with a little switch in style, coco to be IT.
btw, MtnJam x Bogglegum sounds CHRONIC
btw, MtnJam x Bogglegum sounds CHRONIC
