renting commercial space

[casualtoker]

or fuck, dig a fucking hole...
(just make sure to look at plans so you know if there are water pipes, etc before you dig.)

Warehouse floors are 16-24" of steel re-enforced concrete. You're not digging through without some heavy equipment. As for my vault idea, you don't need an A/C, just get LOTS of airflow and vent straight up through the ceiling.

 

[GreenLeaf-420]

Fuck it just rent a BANK and use their Vault.... Man that is some wierd shit... The smartest thing is to get an open floor space with no walls just support beams (LIKE GREEN TEA HAD SAID)... You Rent a 25-40,000 square feet... You can set up lofts as rentals or atleast they do it were I live. Then in between each room or how ever you would like to set up. You have closets w/ Dummy doors inside. Walk through the closet and their is your 5,000 square foot room... 3 rooms 1 floor 5-6 Lofts your in business collecting rents but illegal apartments.. Just to the people you rent to make sure they all smoke and have some one sell them your weed!!! I had a buddy do it 10Yrs ago Genius he was very handy... You will have to be to pull it off or use Mexicans they don't give a shit what they build... The rooms are allusions the people think the other tenants places butt up to theirs but your lamps are behind 5/8 Sheetrock... Seen it can be Done!!!!!

 

[yamaha_1fan]

First of all, you need to decide how big of a warehouse, 25-40,000 feet, you are talking like the size of a supermarket.

A 3-5000 sq ft space would give you tons of growing space. I had a space about 4000 sq ft for a legit business, half warehouse, half office. When the inspectors come, they look everywhere, usually once a year.

I wish I never gave up that space. After several years, I knew the way everything worked and I would be set.

You have to account for surprise visits. One the landlord was refinancing the property and an appraiser walked through. What the hell you going to do when you have 500 plants?

Whatever system you use, make sure it can come down quickly. Buckets for instance, make sure you can disconnect the bucket quickly and get it out with the plant in it. My idea is to use tables with stands on wheels, that way the whole table can be rolled into a truck/trailer w/o removing the plants

I can tell you for a fact, plants dont like being ripped out of their happy spot 45 days into 12/12 and being trannsplanted. Its fucking sad.


I think you can do it, why cant you? Just think everything out.

 

[yamaha_1fan]

You may be able to find smaller spaces that are not on the radar and used for personal reasons. Lots of people rent 1500-2000 sq ft warehouses to work on their cars, store cars/toys, etc. If its not used for business, then I dont think fire inspections are required.


The bigger the space, the more hoops you need to jump through. They will require a 3-5 year lease, financials, etc for bigger spaces.

 

[RudolfTheRed]

Personal grows are one thing folks, but discussing large commercial growing can and will draw the wrong attention to the site. Maybe we can tone it down a bit......

lol. I don't know what kind of attention you mean but you've already got an outdoor commercial thread that's over 80 pages long and numerous other threads discussing commercial grows. One more isn't going to make a difference. If LEO wants to give this site any kind of attention they've got plenty of other reasons too.

 

[RudolfTheRed]

And to gopot if you're asking these kind of questions you aren't ready for a commercial grow. If you got money I don't know why you wouldn't just put a down payment on a house and grow out of there. If you can handle that maybe you'll want to look into a commercial warehouse space, but it sounds like you're getting in over your head already.

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Rudolf I'm loving your posts and your avatar. RIP Omar.

 

[The Bling]

buy small house with a nice sized yard add 15k of solar to the roof and drop a shipping container or an old school bus in the yard after digging it out with a backhoe vent your air into the herb garden lots of rosemary and lavender plant a potted tree over the hole to get in. foreclosures are at an all time high. and sell it all in half oz's a bill a piece

 

[RudolfTheRed]

how many solar panels would you need for a commercial grow anyway? i know very little about solar power so hopefully someone knows more.

 

[anikas88]

Ive contemplated renting/buying a warehouse but there were too many regulations in a commercial office park, i did find many cities have lofts that double as workspace, those were nice but pricey, I rented a mobile home for growing but the power usage was too high i was only running 3kw as a test run and that was suspicious. It probably can be done and is being done by commerical growers, but they are keeping the best secrets to themselves

 

[accessndx]

Most people "jump" the meter with large indoor commercial grows of any kind. I've always felt it was a bit sketchy unless done properly. If anyone notices "shoddy" work, it could trigger an immediate investigation...that's why I've always tried to stay under the radar by using amounts of electricity that weren't susupcious.
A few thousand watts won't make or break you....but 8K + I've always felt was a bit on the edge: unless you're not paying for the electricity as I stated above.
I have a friend who "jumped" the meter with the help of an electrician who was cool. I've seen the setup myself, and I'm amazed....it's simply impossible to tell the meter has been altered with. The main stuff he's using to grow is split off before it gets to the meter....his regular house stuff is run through the meter....and nobody has been the wiser.
As far as these "commercial" spaces are concerned; I hadn't even thought about the prospect of fire inspectors....and other unexpected things of that nature. I should have because my office has its' share of inspections each year.
I'd like to think that there's some type of "storage" facility that you could in fact: purchase....that would not require any inspections.
One thing that just came up recently EVEN FOR HOMES: is tax assessment. This year in my area...we've got people coming to houses in our town to do a "re-assessment" of the properties for tax evaluation purposes.
It's something that even a home-based grower needs to be concerned about.

 

[casualtoker]

Most people "jump" the meter with large indoor commercial grows of any kind.

Stealing power is wrong, dangerous and gives growers a bad reputation. In a commercial space, you can consume as much power as you want without raising suspicion.

 

[accessndx]

Stealing power is wrong, dangerous and gives growers a bad reputation. In a commercial space, you can consume as much power as you want without raising suspicion.

I would have to agree that it can potentially be dangerous. As far as giving growers a "bad reputation"....who's labeling them as "bad". For most of the world growing pot is illegal...it's hardly considered "good" by anyone except growers...who are already breaking the law.
The incentive behind jumping the meter is simple: you don't want to arouse suspicion based upon your power consumption. It's not necessarily an ethical dilemma, it's a safety issue. If you're drawing 10K at your home, you're probably going to get a knock on the door sooner or later. If you're consuming that amount and it goes undetected...you're markedly more safe.

As I said in my earlier post: I've always used electricity under the radar, but have legitimately paid for it. The compromise is that I cannot use as much electricity not because of cost, but instead to avoid suspicion.

If it were as simple as just paying for an electric bill without worrying about people inquiring why I was using so much, I'd have 20K+. The cost doesn't concern me, and it's not the motivating factor behind most people "jumping" the meter.

As I have said: I too feel that "jumping" can be unnecessarily dangerous and risky...but I have no moral issues with it. The power companies never miss a modicum of power...and they charge through the nose for it.

What I am into; is using developing solar technologies to defray the cost and use of grid electricity. Unfortunately it's not that simple in all areas. Alot depends on available roof space, the age of the roof....your position in relation to the sun geographically..etc. I'm also not opposed to using a good old fashioned green-house in a remote location.

Let's not start to throw moral platitudes at people that are just trying to preserve their anonymity and grow large crops. Some people don't live in countries where this is permissable behavior....it's the LAWS and the inequities in the law that are criminal. To date: you can go almost anywhere in the world and drink till your liver falls out....you can pop prescription medication until your brain rots.....but you cannot grow marijuana without being put in prison...THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG.

I just don't see how "growers" could have any worse a reputation OUTSIDE the growing community where people naturally don't understand or empathize....inside should be rather sympathetic to the needs of today's grower...therefore I can't fault someone for trying this method...but I don't personally use the same means.

As far as utilization of commercial spaces for growing: that is the entire and sole reason that I would consider such a place instead of a home....the benefit of using as much electrical energy as I deem proper without the same ramifications as a home. Most of this "jumping" occurs at homes, rather than commercially zoned areas which are more likely to have inspections, and scrutinization. Unfortunately, as has been previously discussed...there are issues with security in these locales.

 

[RudolfTheRed]

Stealing power is wrong, dangerous and gives growers a bad reputation. In a commercial space, you can consume as much power as you want without raising suspicion.

lol, yeah because in the eyes of society the grower had a good reputation prior to stealing power. haha, i don't give a damn if someone steals power or not for a commercial grow. fuck the power companies they make enough money as it is, and as far as i am concerned these laws force people to steal power.
Also, its these anti-cannabis laws that are WRONG, DANGEROUS, AND GIVING GOOD PEOPLE BAD REPUTATIONS.

 

[Unionman]

casualtoker:...Personally, if I were to do this, I'd build out a vault inside the warehous and run the grow from there. That way if someone comes by and wants to walk through the warehouse you can give some bullshit like "yeah, that's our secured cleanroom, employees only" or some shit...

I happen to install fire protection sprinklers, as someone eariler was saying about a contractor checking them out well thats the company that installed the system and if you were to build a vault or small room in the wherehouse it would need some kind of fire protection in it before anyone could move in there. It would also need to be signed off by a Fire marshal either state or county. To get away with no fire protection that room/valut couldnt contain any coumbustable material whatsoever. basicly any obstruction 4ft below the upright protection needs a head (sprinkler) under it. For example we installed a system in a wherehouse all open except a couple bath rooms, well we needed to put some protection in those bathrooms.


I know kinda long read but just trying to clear that little bit about the room/vault in the wherehouse up. Hope everyone can understand what im saying if you have q's dont hessitate to ask.

 

[GreenLeaf-420]

Were is the guy that posted this thread up? Here we are responding to his Q's and he has not popped in...

 

[casualtoker]

A while back I worked in 250,000 sq/ft warehouse that handle drug recalls. Patients and doctors would mail us their oxycotton or whatever drug the manufacturer wanted back. Because many of these drugs were narcotics we had a 5,000 sq/ft vault smack dab in the middle of the place. It was surrounded by reinforced fence that went from floor to ceiling (36 foot), which had another fence inside that. The vault itself was 10ft high and made from 1 ft thick steel wall. Absolutely nobody was ever allowed inside except for a few high level employees. I imagine you could do a similar design.

 

[accessndx]

That still doesn't preclude "fire inspectors" and other pains in the rear end from coming in to break up the good vibe while growing. You'd have to have some declaration or permit to enable you to "secure" an area from inspection.....and even under those circumstances....it may be considered necessary and unavoidable.
Might be best to buy a commercial space.....and do something SNEAKY.....like build something that nobody even sees......like a trapdoor leading down into some underground lair.....or some false bookcase that spins around leading to some "batcave" area.
You know it can be done....and left unrepresented on a building plan...nobody would be the wiser.....
Then you can have your inspections of the "normal" area....with no sketchy fortress built in the middle that nobody has access to.

Let's face it: the only benefit of having a "commercially" zoned area is the use of electricity way in excess of what's acceptable in a residential area.
The drawbacks are: lots of oversight.....unexpected city/state visitors.....

At your "home" you usually don't have people coming by to inspect.....at my office people are busting chops every year for tons of bullsh*t.....PBA donations, Fire donations, random solicitors....fire inspectors, exterminators, building inspectors...tax assessors....etc.

You'd really need to do the "double dirty" and make something that nobody could find even if they were looking for it....real hard.

So commerical spaces have potential....but it's not necessarily that easy to exploit.

If it were JUST a matter of money....I'd have one on lockdown already.....it's much more than that.

 

[Matty]

Rudolf I'm loving your posts and your avatar. RIP Omar.

DAMN IT MAN!!! I just finished season 1 lol...

 

[Papulz]

a buddy whos an electrical engineer recently was discussing with me the thought of using Solar Panels to power or at least supplement our power usage. He gave me the rough estimating figure of 10,000$ US to generate 1 kw under normal conditions.. didnt get a kwh rating from him though.