Elevator in the Forest

[ChaosCatalunya]

ChaosCatalunya - Hey, that does look like my spot. It had better not be my spot...

Yeah, I know a lot of the strains might not finish, but in a way I need to satisfy myself on some of those - it's well-protected from frost in this spot, so I'll get a week or two extra I think. Also the cloning potential of large bushes is just too mush to resist. I may even put out an Oaxacan Gold and a Thai or two, as I could go and hack off a branch every week to give to someone else for growing indoors...

LOL, no, I think we may be safe on this one, but it did make me laugh seeing how similar looking they are....mine has Roe Deer, not Red and no cyclists but is in an area I know for a fact Pikeys go looking for plants in....

I also use outdoors as a place to veg indoor mothers, I just get upset looking at rotten buds in the way an owner views a runover cat.


Have you thought about using swell gel polymers for water retention ? cheapest/best I can see is swellgel ... http://www.swellgel.co.uk seem to be a good one, they do 25kg buckets....

 

[Elevator Man]

I haven't yet managed to get out to dump the final bag of soil yet, as the weather's been a little unpredictable, to say the least. However, the plant stocks are building up nicely, assuming no mishaps, and I should have some eight-inch, very bushy clones to plant out in two weeks, followed over the next month by the smaller plants.

My friends should be ready in 2-3 weeks also, and they have many, many plants ready to go now. If I can do another 6 holes in a fw days, that will make about 40-45 usable spots, which is more than enough to be going on with I think...

 

[smokeymacpot]

yours are only 8" ?? mine are nearly a metre tall

 

[Elevator Man]

They're 8" tall and three feet wide...

Seriously though, I've just been topping and topping to keep them down - there's some of them in here:



All the larger ones round the edge go out first, then the front row, then the smaller ones in the middle - by which time there'll be a whole new bunch arriving. I also have two propagators and many small plants in my living room at the moment too, which is not that great for stealth...

 

[smokeymacpot]

yeh my big ones are out. 2nd batch will follow soon. but fuck digging 40 odd holes like you, at least in the plot i just finished, it was full of rocks

 

[Elevator Man]

Caught red-footed...

Caught red-footed...

I got up to the growspot again today with the last bag of soil - only about 30 litres this time, which did five more holes in patch 1. That's over 40 now between the two patches, and that's enough!

However...I had a saunter up to patch 2, just to check it over and have a quiet smoke, and look who I bumped into - my roommates! I can't believe I managed to finally get a clear shot - I got within 30m before they saw me, and that was with a rucksack and tripod, on slippery ground - I'm extremely satisfied!



As we're sharing the space, they'd better get used to this. I may need to snuggle up for one or two nights later in the year...

 

[Swamp Thang]

Those deer look well fed, Elevator Man, so they probably won't go to any effort trying to get through the fencing around your plants.

Slightly off topic, but I remember you mentioned in one of your earlier posts that hunting is not permitted in the UK. I take it you mean deer hunting is forbidden in the UK, because wing-shooting is a time-honored British pastime that employs quite a few people in the raising and releasing of pheasant for the annual shoot, for example.

I've also heard of rich Saudi oil sheiks shelling out small fortunes to rent helicopters that fly them up to bag deer up in the Scottish Highlands, so thinking of those guided hunts and the water-fowlers plinking away in the rest of the country got me wondering what sorts of hunting could be banned in the UK as you mentioned.

 

[Elevator Man]

There's no fencing round my plants, so they're free to munch. I can't build anything here as it's too accessible by others, and may get seen.

As for hunting, I meant ordinary people, going out and bagging an animal, and taking it home and eating it. Both the examples you mention involve extraordinarily rich people either paying for the privelege, or owning the land and banning 'peasants' from even walking there for most of the last millennium, never mind hunting on it. There is no true 'public' land in Britain, in the sense that it is actually owned by the public.

Hunting with dogs is technically illegal (though it continues) and I don't have a problem with that really, as I believe it's more about advertising land-ownership than the technicalities of killing animals. Hunting with guns is illegal on anything other than the private land above, with permission of the landowner (unlikely, unless you're as posh as they are, like Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall!).

Which leaves snares and traps (most illegal), knives (illegal to carry in public), and good old lassos and other manual means. So realistically, the safest way legally for me to bag a deer would be to drop out of a tree onto its back, and club its brains out...

 

[Guest]

Oh shit?????

With animals like that,your plants are dooooooomed???

EM,your 6 feet tall GIANT THAI plants are now indoors.........
90 days to start flowering so its gonna be FUN from now!!!!!!

Good luck,your gonna need it?

 

[Elevator Man]

Lou - well, they didn't touch the few I put out last year - they sat on one, but it recovered OK. Fact is though, If that camera had been a rifle, I got that sucker! We've all just got to learn to get along...

I can't wait to see what the Thais do - 10/14 I'd recommend - they went straight into flower when I ran them at that. I open a new bundle of sticks today - really fresh, pungent and pliable - and strong...

 

[Swamp Thang]

Ha ha Eman that image of dropping out of a tree unto an offending deer made me wonder if anyone has actually tried it and lived to tell the tale.

Are your Thai sticks home-made or the Real Deal from Thailand ? Haven't heard of real Thai sticks for many a year. Often wondered how the sticks were made and whether or not they were opiated as rumoured. They were always seriously potent for sure.

 

[Elevator Man]

I'm not sure if anyone's taken deer that way - I'm sure they'd smell you before they got too close. To be fair, these deer see people on a regular basis, as it's not exactly wilderness, and so while not remotely tame, they know they're not going to get shot, so they tend to just trot off into the trees rather than running full pelt away. I think they're pretty lazy, and don't want to stray too far from the comfy spots if they can help it...

Are your Thai sticks home-made or the Real Deal from Thailand ?

Oh, they're definitely the real thing, or certainly from very close by - if not Thailand then probably Cambodia or Laos - there's a lot of debate at the moment in other threads about these, but I have it on very good authority they're legit. Plus all the plants grown out from the seeds so far look legit, but I haven't had the opportunity to smoke any yet...

 

[Ulysses]

Nice deer pic!

Those are some fat, well fed deer. I think they are scouting for tasty Flo locations... They can smell the clones comin' for miles...

Have you looked into any deer repellents??? One here in the states is composed of rotten eggs and cayenne pepper, cinnamon oil, peppermint oil...

I believe once there is resin on the plants, the deer won't eat it- that's the theory anyway... My area is criss crossed with deer trails. I am trying to divert them straight along the path without straying off the trail into the plot- the main deer trail stays unobstructed and I hope they take the path of least resistance...

 

[RealSupreme]

keep it up bro..
peace..

 

[CC Rider]

im really lookin forward to this grow my friend!!

 

[Elevator Man]

Thanks folks - we're almost there now - planting the first ones in a week!

Ulysses - I haven't found any deer repellant around here - I'm in the middle of GB, and most gardeners don't have deer to worry about! This place is so urbanised there's very little need for anything other than cat pepper round here - I can't even find rabbit repellant.

I might just fill a plant sprayer with my piss actually, and wander round the plot dosing everything. That's what they do, after all - if you can't beat 'em...

 

[Elevator Man]

Toes in the water...

Toes in the water...

I've pulled out five of the larger clone plants from the veg chamber to give them a week's acclimatization before planting out next week, and to get them used to an inverted light cycle (I grow at night). They're all around 8-12 inches tall, and very bushy, due to the constant pinching-out they've endured since rooting. They're on my windowsill to get used to daylight, and also colder nights - I'm leaving the window open, so they'll get pretty chilly - best I can do in a second-floor apartment!

Here's the Cheese X Purple Afghan clone framed by my two Cocoa Kush keepers:

 

[Ulysses]

OOooH!!! Cocoa Kush outdoors! Where it is meant to be!

I don't know EMan, but I think you are the first I've heard of to brave the outdoors with the CK...

I also like to keep my outdoor strains bushy in case a curious deer or PM strike a branch, the whole plant isn't lost... I'm going to be installing my plants any week now.

 

[Elevator Man]

It's got to work - I'm sure I can squeeze a couple of Cocoas out. I have a feeling this summer is going to be much more 'normal' than last year, with a lot more sunshine. I'm starting planting on Monday, so will update then - hopefully with a couple of pics.

 

[Guest]

There's no fencing round my plants, so they're free to munch. I can't build anything here as it's too accessible by others, and may get seen.

As for hunting, I meant ordinary people, going out and bagging an animal, and taking it home and eating it. Both the examples you mention involve extraordinarily rich people either paying for the privelege, or owning the land and banning 'peasants' from even walking there for most of the last millennium, never mind hunting on it. There is no true 'public' land in Britain, in the sense that it is actually owned by the public.

Hunting with dogs is technically illegal (though it continues) and I don't have a problem with that really, as I believe it's more about advertising land-ownership than the technicalities of killing animals. Hunting with guns is illegal on anything other than the private land above, with permission of the landowner (unlikely, unless you're as posh as they are, like Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall!).

Which leaves snares and traps (most illegal), knives (illegal to carry in public), and good old lassos and other manual means. So realistically, the safest way legally for me to bag a deer would be to drop out of a tree onto its back, and club its brains out...

I have killed a deer, I clubbed it to death and to be honest, it was bloody hard work!

I hit the damn thing in my car one night years ago and it was sprawled across my bonnet and had smashed my windscreen, there was steam everywhere from the smashed radiator and the damn thing started trying to thrash about but as it's legs were all mangled, it couldn't move much, it made this awful, deep, anguished nosie and I felt really sorry for the poor thing. Like EM says, no guns or knives allowed here so I was unarmed, so I got a large rock from the dry stane wall at the roadside and hit it in the head until it died, took more than one whack, you see, with horns and having evolved to bang their heads into each other, deer must have pretty thick skuuls, this one definitely did! The hardest part was manouevering the fucker into the boot of my car, must have weighed 15 stone, took me and my friend half an hour to do it, but we had to remove the evidence, the deer was owned by the local aristocratic fuckwit and i wasn't about to pay him for it's loss, especially after it has done a few hundred quids worth of damage to my prized Saab.

That particular Saab seemed to have a strange curse when it came to animals, I hit all kinds of wildlife in that car, I recall 3 cats it squished at various times and one night I hit a bloody barn owl, huge great beige/white thing it was, not a mark on it, but when I picked it up, it's neck was broken. I hid the corpse in the woods, they are a protected species and I got a bit paranoid. Hit at least two sheep that I remember, the damn stupid animals liek to sleep on the tarmac of the fell roads at night cos the black ashphalt absorbs the sun's heat during the day and is warm and dry at night compared to the heather. They chose dips in the road, shelter out of the wind and many is the time I've crested a brow in the road to be confronted with one or more wooly bastards asleep in the road, I actually ran over one once and it was alive, stuck under the front bumper of my car, it was only 200 yards to the farmhouse and I went to school with the farmer's son so I went and knocked on their door and said 'would you kindly remove your sheep from the underside of my car?'

I would describe how they removed it but any animal lovers might be physically sick, I have lived in the country most of my life and have few qualms about life and death in the animal kingdom, it's a daily thing, on the walk to my guerilla plot today I saw a dead sheep that had been half eaten, probably died of natural causes and was chomped on by badgers. Walking through a field a little further on I noticed a severed lamb's foreleg and paw lying on the grass, a fox must have torn one of the newborn lambs to pieces, I saw entrails and fur a few metres away.

Nature is fucking harsh, folks that live in cities don't see the reality all the time and I'm sure they think the countryside is full of cute fluffy sheep and bunny rabbits. If you saw how milk, beef, etc. start out, you'd all be vegans! I was at nursery school when I saw my first livestock slaughtered, used to watch friend's dads who were farmers sticking their arms into cows and sheep all the time, I knew exactly where little lambs and calves came from, if you grew up in the country , the birds n the beees ain't no mystery!