Marijuana exempt from smoking ban

[mr.haze420]

2008

The ban on smoking in cafés and restaurants from July 1 will not apply to the smoking of pure marijuana or cannabis, health minister Ab Klink has told MPs.

The ban falls under the tobacco laws and does not apply to tobacco-free products, Klink said.

Replying to questions from the Labour party, the minister confirmed that mixing tobacco with soft drugs in 'coffee shops' (where cannabis products can be bought over the counter) will not be permitted from July 1.

Staff in these coffee shops have the same right as workers in other cafes to a tobacco-free working environment, said Klink

 

[Chamba]

that's good news...tobacco sucks big time....

now we should see a major change in the way Europeans smoke cannabis......smaller joints, one hitter pipes and other more efficient, cleaner and economical ways of smoking will take over from the usual big paper jays half full or more of cigarette tobacco.

it's going to be tough for the first 6 months or so for those who are addicted to smoking bud or hash with tobacco....kicking nicotine is tough, but it can be done if you put your mind to it and is definitely worthwhile (I know, I smoked cigs and tobacco/grass joints for decades..until I got smart)....apart from the well known health aspects of being tobacco free, you will begin to really taste and appreciate the subtle flavours and smells of cannabis that your tobacco laden senses missed before...and that's just the beginning..walking up 5 flights of stairs will be easy, not breathtaking!

another thing the tobacco ban will do is eventually improve the quality of commercial bud in Europe.....as you can get away with over-ferted crops full of insecticides and other chemicals if you are selling to every buyer who smokes with a large paper joint containing a whole cigarette's worth of tobacco (that is then smoked w/o a filter!!) as it masks bad tasting and poor burning cannabis.....but smoke that shitty grown cannabis by itself like just about everyone does in the US (and elsewhere by who are not addicted to nicotine and Marlboro country) and you'd screw your face up at the effects, taste and burn of some of the badly grown commercial bud and crappy imported hash in Europe....

 

[Szslack]

So yes, the Coffeeshops in Amsterdam sets the WHOLE trend for Europe's way of smoking canabis? Doubt it very much. Why don't you direct some of your tobacco-anger towards tobacco homepages and let people enjoy cannabis the way they want?

Verbose wanker extraordinaire indeed.

 

[Deft]

I'm surprised! Its like they consider pot less harmful than tobacco!!

 

[BadKarma]

Its nice(NOT) to see the members here get in bed with the government telling people what and how to smoke.
You should be ashamed of yourselves IMO

 

[dontstepongrass]

I'm surprised! Its like they consider pot less harmful than tobacco!!

i hope that is heavy sarcasm. most tobacco is way worse for you healthwise than most cannabis. the only reason i say "most" is so someone cant prove me wrong

seriously tho, well grown and thoroughly flushed ganj is way better for you.

 

[booforever]

surprising to see some rational thinkin still prevails, after a coupla stories over the past week or so, i'd started to worry the end was nigh for the dam scene. Bit pish for the hash smoker as not everyone enjoys the instant caning of a bong hit or vape, i'll miss the joints and i always thought mixing hash in a grass joint detracted from the savouring of the resin. In attempt to get my gf to stop moaning i've pledged to try and give up tobacco after 420 so if i can't smoke in coffeeshops after june it should help i guess...now all we have to worry about is the right-wing makin life so hard for growers/coffeehops that the whole scene disappears dark days indeed

 

[Londinium]

now we should see a major change in the way Europeans smoke cannabis......smaller joints, one hitter pipes and other more efficient, cleaner and economical ways of smoking will take over from the usual big paper jays half full or more of cigarette tobacco.

it's going to be tough for the first 6 months or so for those who are addicted to smoking bud or hash with tobacco....kicking nicotine is tough, but it can be done if you put your mind to it and is definitely worthwhile (I know, I smoked cigs and tobacco/grass joints for decades..until I got smart)....apart from the well known health aspects of being tobacco free, you will begin to really taste and appreciate the subtle flavours and smells of cannabis that your tobacco laden senses missed before...and that's just the beginning..walking up 5 flights of stairs will be easy, not breathtaking!

another thing the tobacco ban will do is eventually improve the quality of commercial bud in Europe.....as you can get away with over-ferted crops full of insecticides and other chemicals if you are selling to every buyer who smokes with a large paper joint containing a whole cigarette's worth of tobacco (that is then smoked w/o a filter!!) as it masks bad tasting and poor burning cannabis.....but smoke that shitty grown cannabis by itself like just about everyone does in the US (and elsewhere by who are not addicted to nicotine and Marlboro country) and you'd screw your face up at the effects, taste and burn of some of the badly grown commercial bud and crappy imported hash in Europe....

It's great new's about Dam but...Self righteous Ex-Tobacco Smoker's bore me senseless,Do I have to put up with it here as well as from outside the Canna community. I gave up tobacco for pure spliffs years back but I am neither expecting a medal for it or Preaching to everyone about it. Let people smoke how they want to smoke.
I don't like smoking from Dirty broken bottleneck's but I didn't tell the Zulu's that when I smoked with them because I am not Rude and Bad mannered...Nor did I tell Morrocans not to smoke Thick paper extra strong Tobacco/Kif joint's as It is how they like to do it! Live and let live! And I have been to Malawi for a few months in the 90's and most people I smoked with smoked Tobacco and weed spliff's as did people all over Southern Africa so whats with the Euro-Bashing. IT IS SOOOO TIRESOME! Take the chip off your shoulder and Roll a nice pure one! Not all European's are Dutch and don't all smoke with tobacco Anyhoo..And many can taste Bad Chemmy weed with or without Tobacco. JBo (A non-preaching Ex-Tobacco smoker)

 

[booforever]

well said londinium. Then there was the time i passed round a spliff in San Diego and some wank gave it "Oh dude he's from europe they think they have a god-given right to mix tobacco in their joints"...each to their own i say, and if it's good enough for a moroccan it's good enough for me.

 

[Szslack]

Nice to see I'm not the only one preferring to smoke how I ehh.. prefer to smoke...

 

[Chamba]

actually I don't mind the smell of tobacco.....especially you consider that secondhand smoke is far more preferable to secondhand drink ......lol

lighten up you wankers!...I don't mean light up, I mean lighten up already

when I was addicted to tobacco, I too used to get all riled up when anyone mentioned that's it's a stupid habit or is unhealthy to me and those around me or that I smell like a full ashtray...lol

I suggest you stage a protest outside the Dutch Parliament demanding the right to smoke tobacco in coffeeshops...yell it loud "What do we want?" "Tobacco and cannabis joints now!"


and anyway if you feel the right and need to smoke cannabis with tobacco....please for your lung's sake, use rolling tobacco, not the crap that's in cigarettes as it's full of additives and is produced to be smoked with a filter.

perhaps breeders should develop a new GM cannabis strain with nicotine for those who can't get by without coming back to Marlboro Country

anyway my point was that this will change the way people smoke in coffee shops...everyone sort of missed that point....which is a good thing for the majority of people who think that tobacco sucks....but don't get angry, roll up another Marlboro with a pinch of soapbar and inhale deeply...argghhhhhh that's better

 

[BadKarma]

When The Majority force their opinions on the Minority you get laws like we have in the states against MJ. The first waiter or waitress who files suit against MJ smoke in the work place (and it will happen) then the smoking in coffee shops ends. President has already been set.

Its all fun and games taking away someone else's freedoms, until they come for you, which they will.

Non-smokers have a bigger problem than second-hand smoke. Its being forced to go to these places against your will that I would be worried about if I was you.

 

[Chamba]

of course, you have the right to smoke tobacco ...chain smoke Camels for all I care.......but everyone here, including you Marlboro men, have to agree it's not your God given right to smoke in enclosed areas where there are people who object to it.......that's fair isn't it?..it's bad manners and it's a pity they have to legislate a law to make selfish assholes do the right thing

what you do in your ashtray stink house or on the street is up to you....just don't blow smoke in my face and tell me it's your right.

 

[BadKarma]

I couldnt agree more You shouldnt have to inhale any of my smoke so stay thr F out of my bar. Go to your own place and leave me alone is all im asking, you know mind your own non smoking buisness.

And quit using the government to shove your non smoking crap both MJ and ciggs up my ass please.

Just so there is no misunderstanding. When I say my bar I mean my bar, I own the ground the brick and the friggin roof. If you dont like the way I run it stay the f out. But thats not good enough is it.

See its not about you having to smell my smoke its the fact that I smoke and thats your real problem. Im guessing you think they should be banned and people who still use it should be punished you know put in jail and shit.
Opps you just became the man I guess didnt you .

Me wanting a place to smoke is not selfish. You wanting every place but my home non-smoking sure as hell is.

 

[Chamba]

badkarma ...Please feel free to smoke, just don't catch on fire!


anyway...I thought we are talking about banning tobacco from Amsterdam coffee shops....what the hell are you on about? (that's a rhetorical question)

 

[BadKarma]

Im talking about members of a MJ forum helping ban smoking anything. What the hell are You talking about.

I typed helping when in fact I dont know that any of you helped do anything so I apoligize. But to be happy that a person can no longer go somewhere and smoke is sad.

 

[Londinium]

You don't read or listen do you Chamba? I don't smoke Tobacco and I look forward to Nicotine free coffeeshop's also... but don't look down on Anyone for what they smoke either or where they learned there smoking habit's.
It's quite simple Really! You can have an opinion without hating everyone who disagree's with your(Changed)opinion and calling them Wanker's. You are going down in my estimation's from one of the most informed,intelligent and articulate poster's I have gained knowledge and benefit from,more than once. To a Someone who's chip about Tobacco Spliff's must be getting too heavy for them to be curteous at this point.
You could have made your point and educated positively rather than Alienating the Only People who would benefit from your original advice,(which was sound!).
Helping people change for the better is admirable but Remember you smelt like an ashtray once as well so 'Teach don't Preach'.
P.s. Most Rolling Tobacco is also full of 'different' chemical's to Cigarette's(hence it stays moist for month's,which is not normal behaviour for 'Pure'Tobacco) Excepting American Spirit and a couple of other's. So isn't much healthier in reality Anyhoo....Anyone stuck on Tobacco should try 'American Spirit'...I don't know what it tastes like but it's supposed to be healthiest and is available Organically grown as well. But Chamba IS RIGHT that it is better without the nicotine and the breathlessness if you CAN give up for health reason's. Choose your Poison lol JBo

 

[igrowdadankest]

Great to hear.

 

[vod]

I smoke Gudang Garam kretek cigarettes and use the American Spirit for spliffs. The American Spirit is very good for that purpose coz it's very light and doesn't taste or smell strong. It does dry out quick though. I always end up with half a pack of dry ass tobacco. But since my weed is not always dry enough shit balances just right

I hate normal cigarettes. They are just plain disgusting. Nice rolling tobacco or aforementioned kreteks are so much better.

And the smoking bans are fuckin nazi shit. If you don't want to work in a smoky environment then fuckin don't! Get yourself a different job. If you don't want to go to smoky bars then stay the fuck out of them. Anyhow working in a smoky bar is hardly more health threatening then working in a coal mine or many other industries. If you're afraid of methane explosions or don't want to inhale coal dust then you don't become a miner. And just think of the noxious gases in the metal industry.

I don't need the stupid government to tell me what's good for me and what's not. I already know. And if I chose to smoke it's none of my governments business and banning it is just as fucked up as banning canna or beer or snowboarding.

How come no one bans cars? Number 1 killer in the developed countries! I want safe streets when I go about my business on my bicycle. Cars are far more dangerous for cyclists than cigarettes for nonsmokers.

And yet you can't smoke in a bar now! Coz there might come a customer one day who is not a smoker! Doesn't fuckin matter that everyone who's in the bar and been there for years smokes, wants to smoke and feels fuckin violated by not being allowed to do what he or she always did in his/hers local bar - have a fuckin beer and a cigarette.

I really fuckin hate this health terror.

 

[Chamba]

I really fuckin hate this health terror.

well, don't blame Klink.....France and about 20 other countries beat him to it..it's not as if he's doing something revolutionary here. (we are still talking about Amsterdam here aren't we?)

it's only selfish smokers of tobacco who really hate this terror....what about the majority of people who aren't addicted to nicotine and "the glamorous appeal" that cigarettes offer are probably happy about it

next time I visit Am'dam I'll be happier to smoke inside coffee shops without out my hair and clothes stinking like an asstray..I say good on you Mr Klink.

How come no one bans cars? tobacco kills 400,000 people in the US per year.....you wanna bet Chevy's kills more US people than Marlboro's ..I'll take your bet

freedom means doing what you want....so long as you don't offend, bother, annoy or hurt others, that's fair isn't it?....if you disagree with then you are a selfish asshole, and that's why there are laws for assholes.