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[BonsaiBud]

dav zap:
I was just wondering, do you still use any incandescent lightbulbs in your apartment? I take a "whole-house" approach to my closet grow-op. Waste heat just heats my bedroom in the winter so I can turn the main thermostat down. In the summer I may vent out the window via the sealed-curtain technique.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Technically, coco is actually a hydroponic medium, although a lot of people do use it similarly to soil. I'd stick with your hydroton for the time being, and maybe replace the clay with straight coco next round. It's one of those things.. "if it ain't broke don't fix it" haha.

I've never once seen anyone on any canna sites ever use actual soil indoors. Soil is classified by the amount of sand, silt and clay and how those are distributed. Technically, by your logic, peat is a hydroponic medium. Any medium sold in bags is basically 100% organic matter. So, no... coco isn't a hydroponic medium, its an anything medium, just like peat.

 

[BonsaiBud]

a grow off

a grow off

T5 actinic + 2700K CFLs: I choose you!



Go get it Kerala Gold!



My point to dav zap about the incandescents was: why bother saving energy in your grow box if you are wasting it elsewhere in your apartment? The only reason would be grow box temps. I really don't think you can beat the T5 fixtures with the reflectors. If you want red and blue from one bulb, get the advancedtec Biotropic Purple. You could get a 4 bulb lamp and mix actinics with 3000K. The Current Pink bulb puts out red and UV for all you UV fanatics. I hope to use mine in the later part of flowering so that my plants will pump out more of their natural sunblock.

 

[SacredBreh]

Hello dav zap and all....

Hello dav zap and all....

This is the first thread I have seen on LEDs on IC that got this much attention.

Good job dav zap!

dav zap--Mel and Cervantes advocate HPS, Mel did a study of MH, MH+HPS, and HPS alone. Hands down HPS alone won. One stipulation thou...UVB degrades THC at a accelerated rate so under MH alone (which produces much less UVB) those plants tested higher in THC content. So.... hmmmmmmm

Knna--has the right angle on the diodes energy related to usable light to plants. IMHO. Just going back to the basics of the LEDs in the first place. I think down the road when the technology advances and is applied I think will be the time to find out exactly what combinations of nm will work the best. Right now, I think it best to go at the photosynthetic peaks, but with advances and broader applications I bet we will find different wave lengths give different results.( stretch -vs- growth rate -vs- potency -vs- method... well you get the idea)

You all are selling me on the coco though... I made a rhythm didn't I. Seriously, REZDOG uses it and waters once per days with GH floral series. He posted a thread at his site on the exact recipe he uses. Mr. Celsius made a lot of sense with his anion explanation.

Just some thoughts....

Peace

 

[Aaronponic]

I've never once seen anyone on any canna sites ever use actual soil indoors. Soil is classified by the amount of sand, silt and clay and how those are distributed. Technically, by your logic, peat is a hydroponic medium. Any medium sold in bags is basically 100% organic matter. So, no... coco isn't a hydroponic medium, its an anything medium, just like peat.

I am sorry but your mistaken in your critique. Hydroponics is growing plants without soil. That includes peat moss, coco fiber, and rockwool. Not just technically by his logic, but technically it really is! Many growers who think they are growing in, "dirt" are really hydroponic farmers!

 

[Mr Celsius]

I am sorry but your mistaken in your critique. Hydroponics is growing plants without soil. That includes peat moss, coco fiber, and rockwool. Not just technically by his logic, but technically it really is! Many growers who think they are growing in, "dirt" are really hydroponic farmers!

hy·dro·pon·ics /ˌhaɪdrəˈpɒnɪks/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hahy-druh-pon-iks] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun (used with a singular verb)
the cultivation of plants by placing the roots in liquid nutrient solutions rather than in soil; soilless growth of plants.

I grow organically in coco, so am I hydroponics? Sorry you're mistaken.

 

[PurplePotion]

Coco is a hydroponic medium. It relies on a separate water and nutrient source. Coco itself is inert.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Coco is a hydroponic medium. It relies on a separate water and nutrient source. Coco itself is inert.

Sand, silt and clay (soil) are inert as well, are they a hydroponic medium? I could bust out the Soil Science book if you want...

So what is organic, pure manure or compost? Ha, you would burn the shit outta your plants.

 

[Aaronponic]

Growing without soil and in coco is growing in a nutrient solution; soiless mix.

That is hydroponics.

 

[SacredBreh]

My thoughts Mr. Celsius and Aaronponic

My thoughts Mr. Celsius and Aaronponic

Yes, if you separated out sand, stone, or other constituent and used it for support of the plant but not as a nutrition medium........ then hydro including coco or rock wool, etc. The difference is "soil" is a medium that produces nutrients for the plant and only water is needed. Coco and organic nutrients are hydroponic, just a very earth friendly form.

Now, I know if you take it straight out of texts.... probably not but because depends on time frame and view points. Explanation:

Long--all nutrients whether organic or not came from an inorganic so to speak origin. SPACE DUST. Then they are broken down and assimilated in.

Short--any medium that is used that is intended for support, position, or other uses... besides an aggregate use that soil is used for support, nutrition, self, sustaining.

Just my confused thoughts....

Mr.Celsius--I ordered that book and the site was very cool. Thanks.

Saint Cannabis--That is an incredible site, thanks a lot. I will be using it all the time. Thanks!

Peace

 

[Mr Celsius]

Glad to hear you ordered that book, I've had it for a couple years now and go back and read it at least once a year.

God.. I honestly don't want to do the whole rant about how soil formed.... it would be like 4 giant paragraphs. I don't need to convince any of you, so I'm dropping it.

 

[dav zap]

Hazelnuts

Hazelnuts

Hello there, and I do not mind talking to people whether I said whatever before. You are more than welcome here. The prices were red 180 diode array - $100. & 60 diode blue array - $60.

 

[dav zap]

Knna

Knna

Thank you for discussing coco. I'm interested even though I've got plenty of Hydroton.

"brightness" to what? The eye doesn't see the same as the plant. We cannot see UV but it affects us. Is it bright? Even though we do not see it. THat was my point.

 

[dav zap]

BonsaiBud

BonsaiBud

A man after my own thoughts. Whole house indeed, especially if I live in a little apartment. Way to go. You're into the hobby like I am, too. Only a couple small incandescants for low level lighting. Otherwise its CFL in the house and in my standard veg drobe. First things first, huh. Pot grow first.

 

[dav zap]

MrCelsius

MrCelsius

Thank you for bringing info to the discussion. Your participation is appreciated.

PEACE & POT

 

[dav zap]

exotic BonsaiBud

exotic BonsaiBud

You are into some of the more exotic lamps. Thats great. Maybe you could tell us what the actinic does? Thank You for participating.

 

[dav zap]

SacredBreh

SacredBreh

Your participation is appreciated here SB. Some of the conversations are over my head, but thats fine.

 

[dav zap]

Aaronponic hydroponic

Aaronponic hydroponic

Thank you for illucidating on "Hydroponic". Are y'all familiar with "The EarthBox" Its hydro with soil. A very clever construction of a planter box that the plants roots grow down thru the soil into a buried reservoir. Best of both worlds. Grows like a bitch!

 

[dav zap]

Mr Celsius

Mr Celsius

Thank you Mr C> If I may say that the word "Hydroponic" translated from the Latin or Greek, which ever it came from, means "working water".

 

[dav zap]

Purple Potion - NORML

Purple Potion - NORML

Thank you indeed, sir. See you later, eh.

PEACE & POT