Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[satty]

I have mixing in a bit of " Camel Grow Joes "
The Shitz
with my mollassas.
Works very well , less is better...

 

[Sammet]

Earth Juice, Air stone and line, Air pump.





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[vietnameseblack]

I'm trying to find an all organic soil mix that will keep my plants fed until flowering, outdoors. My outdoor season starts around the end of April beginning of May and flowering starts mid to late August. With harvest somewhere near the end of October. Also the existing soil is relatively fertile so i have a little buffer in case the nutrients in my soil mix are used up. My plan is to back dig a 2ft x 2ft x 2ft hole and fill with my mix. One of the main requirements is it must hold allot of water because during the heat of summer, temps. can be at or near 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Currently I'm thinking about using the following soil mix:

5 parts Coco Coir
3 parts perlite
3 parts garden compost

-with an added mix of

5 Tbs. of seed meal (canola and alfalfa)
1 Tbs. of Rock Phosphate
1 Tbs. of greensand
1 Tbs. of kelp
2 Tbs. of dolomite lime.
per gallon of soil mix.

For flowering i will be feeding with a Guano tea.

I noticed that this recipe is very similar to mix #1 by burn1 so i was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions. First off at the very least using this recipe i would need 32 cu. ft. of coir which would cost approximately $400 so i was wondering if there are any cheaper alternatives or if i could mix half and half with existing soil. For reference i will be growing c99, Juicy Fruit, Chochlate chunk x Thaitanic & Shiskaberry x Thaitanic. Any comments will help.

 

[Vash]

Question about the Flowering tea. Is the PSG used throughout the complete flowering stage in those same ratios? I'm asking this question because of the high N content in that particular guano. Would Indonesian or Jamaican be an option in late flower?

 

[BurnOne]

I'm trying to find an all organic soil mix that will keep my plants fed until flowering, outdoors. My outdoor season starts around the end of April beginning of May and flowering starts mid to late August. With harvest somewhere near the end of October. Also the existing soil is relatively fertile so i have a little buffer in case the nutrients in my soil mix are used up. My plan is to back dig a 2ft x 2ft x 2ft hole and fill with my mix. One of the main requirements is it must hold allot of water because during the heat of summer, temps. can be at or near 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Currently I'm thinking about using the following soil mix:

5 parts Coco Coir
3 parts perlite
3 parts garden compost

-with an added mix of

5 Tbs. of seed meal (canola and alfalfa)
1 Tbs. of Rock Phosphate
1 Tbs. of greensand
1 Tbs. of kelp
2 Tbs. of dolomite lime.
per gallon of soil mix.

For flowering i will be feeding with a Guano tea.

I noticed that this recipe is very similar to mix #1 by burn1 so i was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions. First off at the very least using this recipe i would need 32 cu. ft. of coir which would cost approximately $400 so i was wondering if there are any cheaper alternatives or if i could mix half and half with existing soil. For reference i will be growing c99, Juicy Fruit, Chochlate chunk x Thaitanic & Shiskaberry x Thaitanic. Any comments will help.

Use peat instead of coir. It's just as good. Kmart has it in 3.8 cu. ft. bales here for $6.00. It fluffs up to about 10 cu. ft.
Burn1

 

[BurnOne]

Question about the Flowering tea. Is the PSG used throughout the complete flowering stage in those same ratios? I'm asking this question because of the high N content in that particular guano. Would Indonesian or Jamaican be an option in late flower?

You can use that recipe up until harvest. If you want to get rid of some of the chlorophyll near the end, just leave out the PSG for the last two waterings.
Burn1

 

[Vash]

You can use that recipe up until harvest. If you want to get rid of some of the chlorophyll near the end, just leave out the PSG for the last two waterings.
Burn1

Chlorophyll...?? Am I missing something?

Flowering nutrient tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses

I'm with you on leaving out the Perivian Seabird Guano (PSG), but I lost you with the chlorophyll.

 

[vonforne]

Chlorophyll...?? Am I missing something?

Flowering nutrient tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses

I'm with you on leaving out the Perivian Seabird Guano (PSG), but I lost you with the chlorophyll.

By this I think he meant that by reducing the N and P ratio´s in the late flowering stages slows the plants chlorophyll production because of a lack of nutrients in the substrate. Thus causing the plant to begin to yellow.

V

 

[Mr Celsius]

The guano ratios were always to hot for this mix and have always been excessive. I think guanos should be left to the intermediate (me) through expert.

Guanos are fast acting and adding cup fulls per gallons is insane. Considering you add a Tbsp of blood meal, which is much less fast acting and probably not as concentrated, to a gallon of soil.

Ganja naturally uses up its N reserves in the later stages of flower; its part of the sentencing process. Chlorophyll will make your ganja burn harsher and smell kinda funk.... like grass clippings, sorta. The point is, you wanna make a mix that has enough N, just up until the point of the end of flowering. Its unlikely that your soil is going have the right CEC (cation exchange capacity) properties that you'll be able to flush your medium of N. If I recall correctly, coco will flush N- if there's a lot of P+ or K+... I can't fully remember.

 

[BurnOne]

By this I think he meant that by reducing the N and P ratio´s in the late flowering stages slows the plants chlorophyll production because of a lack of nutrients in the substrate. Thus causing the plant to begin to yellow.

V

That's right. You can double up on the high P guano if you want to as well. But, it's not necessary IMO.
Burn1

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

With coco i have found it takes much longer to use up all N.

I also recommend going on the heavy side with your nutes up to around week 5 or 6 of flower... once you have mostly red hairs its time to chill out...

 

[Vash]

Ok, gotcha.

 

[Guest]

Great thread!!!

 

[bigwonder]

hey everyone Great info in here!

I've got 9 plants vegging in LC's Soiless Mix #2. Working absolutely great so far! I have now just mixed up Veg mix #3 because I think it's time I start feeding these little beauties. I dumped all the contents in a 5 gallon jug without using a tea bag. Whoops Does anyone see that being a problem?

Thanks guys

 

[Guest]

It won't hurt a bit, bigwonder. I do the samething. You can either strain your tea or use it as is. Whatever solids left on the bottom I add to soil I have sitting around. Or under a fig tree bush. I've been having bumper crops of figs the last 2 years. lol

 

[bigwonder]

thanks old man! That's a relief. I'm going to feed them later tonight.

haha that's funny with your fig tree. very cool

Hey, one last question. I perused this thread and I think I read that the tea will only be good for ~48 hours? Is this true? P.S. I have the tea in a large 5 gallon jug that I shake around every once in a while.

 

[BurnOne]

bigwonder-
Welcome to IC Mag.
I like to "bubble" the tea with an aquarium pump and airstone. 48 hours is about the max life. Just make up what you need and bubble it for 24 to 48 hours before pouring it on.
Burn1

 

[bigwonder]

BurnOne - thanks for all the invaluable information!! dood I can't believe how much fun this stuff is

I actually found out the hard way and noticed my tea had a different kind of funk to this afternoon

 

[busterbunny]

I have visited this thread more than any other on the forum and it's given me a lot of good information, I can probably start my first grow soon. Thanks so much for all the great info on the soil mixes and nutirents!!

 

[Mr Celsius]

I have visited this thread more than any other on the forum and it's given me a lot of good information, I can probably start my first grow soon. Thanks so much for all the great info on the soil mixes and nutirents!!

So glad to hear that. Now the fun part begins after you start your first mix. You then get to look at all the nutrients you can add next time and custom tailor your mix. I know I have a ton of fun when I'm staring at 30 box's of organic dry ferts and think about what I want to add next time.