150w HPS Club and Resource Guide......

[The St.]

nice explanation pipe! it really does make all the difference too!

the easiest and least light restrictive direction for the light to come out of that bulb is from the sides. looking at one while its on from the tip there really isnt that much light shining in your face, however once you look at the side, it really hurts your eyes! that alone should tell you there is a tremendous difference in the amount of light output just by turning it. you will lose lots of light that will just be bouncing around the sides of your grow spot. definitely mount it horizontally!

Peace!

 

[mid-east-stone]

mirrors are less reflective...

mirrors are less reflective...

i guess,
thought of posting a q here only after i was done with the mirors...
but how can that be??
white better than mirors?/?
i wonder...

 

[qdavid]

Excellent discussion Pipedream. Good info. Reworking in progress. Thanks.

 

[vintner]

Yes PipeDream: Thanks for that explanation.

i guess,
thought of posting a q here only after i was done with the mirors...
but how can that be??
white better than mirors?/?
i wonder...

mid-east-stone: The glass in mirors refracts the light and makes it more diffused. Mylar is better than mirrors because there is no glass involved to scatter the light, but most people just go w/flat white paint, cause mylar can be kind of a pain to work with and to keep clean and positioned properly w/out ripping it.

 

[DiscoDuck]

igrow, you can put your weed in a paper bag for up to a week if it's too moist for jars. Take the buds out of the bag every day for a few minutes, then put 'em back in. The bag keeps the weed from drying too fast or too much.

 

[BRNEYDBVR]

Here's a couple 150w plants.... sorry for the crappy pics.

FMS Grapefruit Re-veg:



FMS ICE:



The 150 might be small....but it keeps me smokin'!!


I grow in a rather small space, (Mills Pride U1/U2) so I have to keep the plants small.
When I first started to grow in this cab, I thought that I had it all figured out and installed a cool tube against Suga's advice. STUPID MOVE.
The light footprint was all wrong and I have since removed the cool tube and placed the bulb perpendicular to the rear wall. This made a HUGE difference in the light footprint and my plants love me for it.

Pipedream and Suga are a wealth of knowledge when it comes to growing with a 150w.

Thanks a million for the guidance and inspiration guys!

 

[vintner]

The 150 might be small....but it keeps me smokin'!!


Pipedream and Suga are a wealth of knowledge when it comes to growing with a 150w.

Thanks a million for the guidance and inspiration guys!

^^^Well said! Great looking plants too. How much longer you got? Did you use a hood?

 

[DiscoDuck]

BRNEYDBVR, nice big plants for a box, looks like a lotta smoke. What are the dims of that square pot and where do you get em?

I read a post (I think it was Suga) saying it's not necessary to cool tube a 150. He's right. I might have netted minus two or three degrees with my home made tube, probably not worth the win in temps vs loss in light. My biggest problem is with temps so I'll probably keep it for now.

 

[phr3d0m2gr0]

Can someone point me to the post about the cooltube not being effective with a 150watt?

 

[ReeferDan]

igrow, you can put your weed in a paper bag for up to a week if it's too moist for jars. Take the buds out of the bag every day for a few minutes, then put 'em back in. The bag keeps the weed from drying too fast or too much.

ID throw em in the jar. Just rememer to burp it every day and move the buds around. From my experience, paper bags suck out taste and smell that is hard to get back with a cure, if you put buds in that are too moist you can always just leave the jar open overnight and they should be all good. With this last harvest, i let the plants dry whole (fan leaves and all leaves with a visable stem removed) for like 5 days. I then manicure em and throw em in a jar. Burp and shake for 15 min every day for a week then they are fine to keep closed. buds come out perfectlt dry to smoke but are sticky icky and smell/taste great. If i break down a gram for ajoint i have to have a friend roll it because my fingers are too gooey!

Sorry for the long post, but after i lost abunch of flavor/smell after drying in paper bags my first time ive never again used em.

For those of you who are interested in vertical 150w hps lighting, it worked great for me. Two 150 vapor tights ($20) vertically mounted and remote ballasted in a cab of 8 plants (4 on each side) in 1gal containers netted me about 12g per plant dried (my first run with this strain and i had major def's...and it wasnt a sog plant, too bushy for this situation, an inica would have yielded better) . The vapor tights are cheap, and other than 2 8ft extension cords per each vapor tight, i re-used everything that came with the light to remote ballast the light andmount it to my box.

Check it out

bush,master made the top on the left FAT










The only thing i would do differently is to either make the lights able to be lowered or get more 2x4 pieces to raise thee plants up!

 

[BRNEYDBVR]

Vintner - Thanks! I don't use a hood since I removed my cool tube. The bulb is mounted on the rear wall of the cab, about 3 inches from the ceiling...but centered left to right.

Those two plants have about 2 to 3 weeks left.... I just started to flush them.

Disco Duck - Thanks man! It's not a ton of smoke, but It'll fill a jar or two! The square pots are 6"x6"x7". They are made by Beldan plastics, but I got mine from hidhut. I think that most people who buy them, use them in Flood/drain trays. But they work great for dirt as well.

phr3d0m2gr0 - I can't put you on the exact post....but I'm sure that Suga will chime in and maybe help with that. He has actually stated this in several different posts over the past year or so.

A cooltube IS very effective with a 150w!! The reason that I removed it was because it messed up my light footprint and left a dark corner in my cab, plus I lost several inches of head room because of it.

A COOLTUBE IS NOT NEEDED WITH A 150w, IF YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT VENTILATION.

I believe this statement holds true with the larger wattage hid's as well.... The more air flow, the less heat.
Of course, cab/room dimensions have to be in check with the wattage being used.

Hope this helps!


Later guys,

B.E.B.

 

[igrowdadankest]

I may do a report sometime soon when I get my Dam precooler that I have been waiting 4 more days for than what I was supposed to.Have a nice one guys

 

[ReeferDan]

jar those things up igrow!!! they look more than ready, i jar em when the stems barely snap

 

[DiscoDuck]

BRNEYDBVR, well said.

 

[phr3d0m2gr0]

phr3d0m2gr0 - I can't put you on the exact post....but I'm sure that Suga will chime in and maybe help with that. He has actually stated this in several different posts over the past year or so.

A cooltube IS very effective with a 150w!! The reason that I removed it was because it messed up my light footprint and left a dark corner in my cab, plus I lost several inches of head room because of it.

A COOLTUBE IS NOT NEEDED WITH A 150w, IF YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT VENTILATION.

I believe this statement holds true with the larger wattage hid's as well.... The more air flow, the less heat.
Of course, cab/room dimensions have to be in check with the wattage being used.

I apologize i didn't mean ineffective airflow wise, but light wise. I'm just wondering what the difference is with have a cooltube and not having one and also factoring in that the plants can pretty much touch the tube and be fine.

I'm adding a cooltube to my 150watt and i know i have plenty of ventilation (265cfm blower) so maybe i won't even need it. I also have a 400 watt so it's possible that i could use the cooltube for that.

 

[BRNEYDBVR]

Phr3 - I use a dayton 140cfm blower and it keeps my 150w plus a 105w cfl at an acceptable level.
With a 265cfm, you should have no trouble keeping temps near ambient. I would use the cooltube on the 400w though, just depends on the cubic footage of your grow area. Just my opinion.

I don't know exactly what the percentage is of the lumens that are lost when the light has to pass through the glass on a cooltube.
If your able to keep your temps in check without the tube, all the better....If not, use the tube. I couldn't tell a difference in my final yields, with or without the tube. I just like having more head room and having my light footprint correct.

I do know that everyone's cab/environment is different. I've tried the cooltube in my situation and I prefer to not use one.

Pipedream is the HEIC. (Head Engineer In Charge) I believe that he could explain the lumen loss through glass thing much better than I can.

EDIT:
Here's a pic of the U2...(flower area) A little messy, but it works! LOL!
These are one ICE plant and the rest are 2 different phenos of Grapefruit. I had a bunch of cuttings and was experimenting with flowering the clones from just rooted, to a week of veg then flower...etc.
Sorta perpetual.... Kinda. LOL!

 

[DiscoDuck]

bagseed...day 73

 

[igrowdadankest]

lol they have been in the jar for around 4 days now.The smoke is very smookth too.I nned to quit smoking so much of it.it is a nice high.I have not smoked alot at a time only a small bowl and it is nice.

 

[sugabear_II]

BRNEYDBVR - the U2 is looking very nice!

I believe the amount of light loss is on the order of 10% when passing through a sheet of glass.

It really depends upon your situation - if you have good air movement you should not need a cool tube for a 150 - if you don't have the best air movement or wish to cut down on the amount of air you must scrub of smells then cool tubes and separate light chambers might be for you.

The thing people need to remember though is that the 150 when remote ballasted burns very cool and the plants can be very close in my experience -

I've posted these pictures before but it's probably worth showing them again...




that's a bare bulb 4" away from the canopy w/o issue.

wanted to just say how nice everyones grows are looking and how glad I am that folks like vintner, disco duck, reeferdan, igrowdadankest, and BRNEYDBVR are keeping the thread going strong

 

[abirdintheair]

only 4 inches suga? mines that close if not just a lil bit more. p.s. you left a name off your list but no worries bottlerocket, swt#3, and LocxG13 harvest shots coming in 2-3 weeks