eastcoastjoe
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Did you read this whole thread ? Do you realize that dispensaries and commercial nurseries are the biggest reason why this problem is happening in the first place ?
Are there any reputable clone vendors in USA??????????
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Did you read this whole thread ? Do you realize that dispensaries and commercial nurseries are the biggest reason why this problem is happening in the first place ?
Deleted User 0283844
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$100-$300 Sounds like a reasonable answer.
I guess the point of my post was the price will continue to fall. It doesn't matter what your costs are to maintain clones.
I have been in sales my whole career (25 years) and the first thing I was taught was to ask your self , "Who gives a shit?" If the answer to that question is only the guy selling the product guess what, your fucked.
Let me tell you something I have learned over the years, not many people give a shit what your costs are.
I guess the point of my post was the price will continue to fall. It doesn't matter what your costs are to maintain clones.
I have been in sales my whole career (25 years) and the first thing I was taught was to ask your self , "Who gives a shit?" If the answer to that question is only the guy selling the product guess what, your fucked.
Let me tell you something I have learned over the years, not many people give a shit what your costs are.
Where should one start? that was the subject of the thread.
I did and I agree with you but ask yourself, "Who gives a shit besides me?". The answer will be very few people. If you cant live on a 20% margin on each clone you sell, someone else will.
That , I know for sure. The market has already spoken my friends.
Discorilla
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If I have a 40 year old cut/s1s that nobody else has, and it's desirable... demand will shoot the price to whatever people are willing to pay. Fairness is subjective when you are buying the same cuts that breeders are basing their seedlines off of.
Deleted User 0283844
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Not here to advertise myself... I do sell anything I hold for 175 tho.
I believe things should be accessible to the masses...
But ...
There are some.
Gmo always has been good and transparent
Cloney had some great stuff
Farmer joe is awesome
I know folks on discord that have good stuff.
Also have heard horror stories so...
Gotta see thier transparency of thier garden,ipm etc and go from there...
Ok, how many of those cuts exist?
As soon as I buy that elite 40yr old clone I am now selling it for 1/2 the price you bought it for and then so is the next guy I sell it to. There is no way to police peoples ethics when you sell something. So goes the market slide downwards towards the bottom.
Look around here on IC mag and you will see many people complaining, rightfully so, about how some asshat took there elite strain copied it and sold it for a fraction of the cost.
There are no elite strains for sale that price fixing is in effect. There are ways to control that but this industry was built on the backs of the black market. There be no copy right rules brother, its China in this market.
People care about one thing most, themselves.
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eastcoastjoe
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You must be missing the point. Look what happened when commercial cannabis companies started racing each other to the bottom. What happened ? Quality plunges. Flowers testing hot. Remediation at an all time high lol.
So given that, it sounds like the same exact thing is happening with clone vendors. Guaranteed the guy selling $20 clones isn’t testing and doing their due diligence to ensure you get a clean product. So to me it doesn’t matter. I have a great career. I do this because I live to do it but it has to make sense. I’m not wasting my life providing a quality product for peanuts. Thank god for me that many people choose quality and are willing to pay a premium for it
Well, cloney was mentioned in my post. I even gave a link to him.
I appreciate you putting yourself out there and good luck selling your cuts. I mean that, much appreciated.
You better do some real background checks to make sure the next asshat doesn't undercut your cost. Its going to be hard to find a market big enough for a guy to make a living selling elite cuts because you cant check whats going on in my mind or the next guys. I only need one of your clones and I only need it once and I am in business for myself.
If you only sell to vetted people its a tough row to hoe. Maybe its not about the money for you. Good on you brother!
Thats not what everyone is doing. They are in it to make money and they don't give shit about how good a guy you are. These are the facts, sorry but true.
Discorilla
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Not many of the cuts exist no, but if I am the only one holding genetics, and I know someone is going to pull crap like that... that person is going to be paying up the ass to get ahold of my cut, or not getting it at all. Sure there is stuff that is passed around, but many of the breeders in the PNW that I know of, have their own created elites that nobody else has touched for this reason.
Many people, what number constitutes many people to you?
I am sure you are right in your instance, but this is a public forum not "eastcoastjoe" forum. You are arguing your case not the markets case.
I cant read your mind but it seems you are arguing that the general public gives a shit about your ethics of quality. Rest assured, they dont!! Ask around IC mag I'm not speaking in a vacuum.
Do you think that most people, including myself, came to this web site looking for ethically mined people. No, we came to gain knowledge and use it to our advantage.
Discorilla
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That sounds like some bro shit right there. Someone who wasn't in the game during prohibition, but wants to capitalize off the growers before them.
Agreed, i have seen many people who will no longer share cuts on IC mag because of that reason. I missed out on the good ole days.
I was talking about making money/business. You don't make money holding on to the cut, my precious, for ever. If you sell it it will be pirated , end of story.
Deleted User 0283844
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In my humble opinion...
And I'm for the plant, so my outlook is a tad different. But, there's no animosity to a guy or girl selling the same clean cut for more than myself.
I don't hate on anyone selling clones, for whatever price. That's how we get by.
I will however call out bullshit when selling dirty cuts, wrong lineages, scams...There's alot of fuckery...
It's a wild world , this plant attracts so many, so always feel out whom your dealing with imo..
Idk..I just live the plant... and want accessible genetics to those in need, Chad's need not apply.
Appreciate this conversation
Enjoy discussing, not infighting as we all love this plant in some shape or form.
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Now you are catching on brother.
I never have been anything but a lunch box guerrilla. The most I ever made in a year was $7K during prohibition. I grew to make money to grow again next year. Free smoke was all it was ever about.
I came here in 2005 to learn about growing and use that knowledge. Bro shit, just like you said. I know longer grow for anyone but myself, but at $7k/yr I never really did
.There are so many other guys out there with more money than god looking for their next venture and you are on a public forum. There is no such thing as keeping a elite clone unless its just for yourself. Or they could go to cloney , he was stated as a good elite cut provider. Its a public forum and all the ranting we do means nothing to someone who doesn't use emotion to control his actions. Fucking bros heheheh.
The price will go down and there is nothing to stop it. The price of flower taught me that.
eastcoastjoe
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I’m speaking market and price justification. I could care less what you or anyone thinks. You’re missing the point of this thread though. The dude keeps getting dirty clones. You think large nursery / dispensary clones that are the cheapest price is the solution ? Get real
If you came to gain knowledge, maybe pay attention to what the people are telling you that have personal experience
Discorilla
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I miss slinging $500 ounces, though.
Well, its a public forum. I came to throw in my two cents maybe its only worth 0.5 cents only you get to decide that, right.
You are 100% right the original post was about getting good,clean clones. I will give you that no worries.
I think if you read all the posts a few may have been a bit off topic. Not sure I have been on public forum thread that doesn't have a few off topic posts. By the way I am gaining knowledge with each correspondence with you, much appreciated. You know what we say in the sales world, "Kill um with kindness".
Good luck with your business venture.
You are 100% right the original post was about getting good,clean clones. I will give you that no worries.
I think if you read all the posts a few may have been a bit off topic. Not sure I have been on public forum thread that doesn't have a few off topic posts. By the way I am gaining knowledge with each correspondence with you, much appreciated. You know what we say in the sales world, "Kill um with kindness".
Good luck with your business venture.
