Are there any reputable clone vendors in USA??????????

[Brother Nature]

Some variegated house plants sell for tens of thousands of dollars, same with Orchids, tropical species, certain palms, etc...

The way I see it, yeah $400 is a bit for a clone, but if it's a rare and good specimen, you can easily turn that $400 into $4k, then that $4k into $40k, etc... to me that's worth it.

There are way fewer producers and consumers of Cannabis if you compare it to a houseplant, or veggie, or any other type of nursery plan produced and sold in cuttings. Economy of scale.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Yeah I mean if the claim is that I paid too much, show me where I could have purchased a verified cut of that same plant for less. $400 I'll make back in one harvest.

 

[xtsho]

I just gave you the cost justification.

You didn't give anything.

Why can't you guys just answer a simple question?

What are the costs other than state issued permits to grow cannabis? What are the costs involved in a cannabis nursery that are not required by any nursery growing plants?

It's just a round and round with you guys.

This interaction has reached it's end. There is obviously no point in any further time devoted to it.

Enjoy your $300 clones. I wish you nothing but the best as far as success with growing.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

I don't know the answer to those questions. I never made those claims. I simply told you why the price is so high.

A lot of the cheaper clones online for like $100 are either sick or fake a lot of the time. Total waste of money not to mention time and headache.

I paid $400 for a cut I can't get anywhere else, direct from the source, nice and healthy, and verified legit, delivered to my door from the other side of the country. It was a deal imo.

 

[xtsho]

I don't know the answer to those questions. I never made those claims. I simply told you why the price is so high.

A lot of the cheaper clones online for like $100 are either sick or fake a lot of the time. Total waste of money not to mention time and headache.

I paid $400 for a cut I can't get anywhere else, direct from the source, nice and healthy, and verified legit, delivered to my door from the other side of the country. It was a deal imo.

There's no such thing as a verified legitimate cut. And evenif it was so there are plenty of "Cuts" as good or better.

If you think you're getting your money's worth then that's all that matters.

I'm not trying to demean anyone for what they're doing. I'm just putting out my objective perspective. If it's meaningless to others then so be it. It doesn't effect me.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

There's no such thing as a verified legitimate cut.

lol ok man.

 

[g0dzilla]

There's no such thing as a verified legitimate cut. And evenif it was so there are plenty of "Cuts" as good or better.

If you think you're getting your money's worth then that's all that matters.

I'm not trying to demean anyone for what they're doing. I'm just putting out my objective perspective. If it's meaningless to others then so be it. It doesn't effect me.

It is meaningless . Someone who's not on the market for clones and doesn't understand their value complaining about prices.

Color me shocked.

 

[xtsho]

lol ok man.

Laugh all you want. I don't need any of your $400 clones. I have strains I've made myself that are fire. This isn't rocket science.

I'll put my stuff up against what you're buying any day.

 

[Brother Nature]

Those plants look great, Phantom cookies cross??? Either what that's not actually what this thread's about, hopefully the OP can end up finding something affordable that doesn't die on him in the near future, maybe you could provide him some for $10-20 a cut?

 

[Scrappy-doo]

^^^ I agree.

Xtsho, if the point you're trying to make is that you don't need to spend a lot of money to get a really nice keeper, you won't find anyone on this thread that disagrees with you.

The clone game isn't about, "I want a fire plant".

It's about, " I want THAT fire plant".

 

[xtsho]

^^^ I agree.

Xtsho, if the point you're trying to make is that you don't need to spend a lot of money to get a really nice keeper, you won't find anyone on this thread that disagrees with you.

The clone game isn't about, "I want a fire plant".

It's about, " I want THAT fire plant".

The infamous "Fire" plant.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I know what you're saying but you have to admit A LOT of what your paying for is Hype and Marketing and Beleaf is a master at that..In fact...It wouldn't surprise me if having them marked as "sold out" is part of the marketing.
But at the end of the day they are worth what someone is willing to pay...god bless capitalism!

I don’t agree with thousands. But $150 for a clone that has been tested multiple times for hop latent is reasonable

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Are you serious? Many nurseries use artificial lighting. It's nothing specific to cannabis. In fact artificial lighting was being used long before any large scale cannabis nurseries selling clones existed. Artificial lighting is not something that was a cannabis growing invention.

It's obvious that you don't have a very good understanding of the nursery industry or commercial horticulture.

I'm also not complaining about prices I'd never pay. I'm pointing out how ridiculous they are and you keep trying to justify the cost and not succeeding.

You keep talking about doing the work or jumping into the market. You fail to understand that most of us that actually understand the dynamics involved have no desire or time to get involved with selling clones. It's not because we couldn't make money. Hell, if you guys think paying $300 a clone is a good deal then I could definitely make money. The thing is, I've been making plenty of money for decades. I like my occupation and have no desire to change.

Again I ask. What are these extra costs with growing cannabis that warrants the prices some are charging?

Lets ignore the fact that you're going to need a significantly larger amount of Aloe Vera plants than cannabis plants to get the same amount of clones.

If it takes 2-3 times longer to grow an Aloe Vera start than it does a cannabis clone, how does the cannabis clone cost so much more to propagate when time, energy, and labor are the biggest costs? The longer it takes to get to market the more resources you're paying for.

I asked a very simple question. It should be a simple answer.

They may use some supplemental but all of the plants you mentioned that take longer to propagate, they don’t need a fraction of the amount of light to maintain vigorous mother stock. Cannabis grows way faster. You need much more power to maintain mothers than any of those plants.

You clearly didn’t read all my previous posts and you are obviously complaining about something you have zero experience doing. The fact is, you are comparing costs about something you have zero experience doing. You are just projecting an idea.

Fire up a 50 plant mother room , build a propagation area, quarantine area. Spend thousands on testing and then start taking a few hundred clones per week. Then sell all your clones for $20 a piece. Guarantee you won’t be in business long

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You paid too much but if you're happy that's all that really matters. I have never and will never pay $400 for a clone. But as you said, move to Cali. I'm not in Cali but one state north and clones have never been a problem as far as getting good strains and nobody here is going to pay $400 a clone.

There's obviously a difference in culture as far as cannabis is concerned. Here on the West Coast we've had access to great weed for decades while on the East Coast, Midwest, and Southern states things have been significantly different as far as access is concerned. That might be a factor in driving the mindset of some that clones should demand those extreme prices.

Even taking those parameters into account I'm still unable to identify any significant increase in costs to grow cannabis than any other agricultural crop. It doesn't cost more to grow cannabis than other plants. That's a fact. People want to argue but nobody has put forth any legitimate cost increases vs other crops. What is the cost justification that warrants a 1000% increase for a plant that costs less to bring to market?

All I'm asking is for some rational explanation. All I get is deflection.

You have zero understanding of the market. That one keeper may take you 50-100 seeds to find. Do the math in seed prices and how much time / money you save not doing the hunting yourself.

FYI, about 60% of my customer base are having clones shipped to Cali from the east coast. So much for you theory on access. Wanna know the reason that is ? It’s because it’s a known fact that most of the Cali clone suppliers sell infected stock. The Cali residents know this and avoid most nurseries.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

There's no such thing as a verified legitimate cut. And evenif it was so there are plenty of "Cuts" as good or better.

If you think you're getting your money's worth then that's all that matters.

I'm not trying to demean anyone for what they're doing. I'm just putting out my objective perspective. If it's meaningless to others then so be it. It doesn't effect me.

You’re perspective can’t be objective because, you have zero real word experience about the other side. You are obviously a small home grower that has a “theory” about market prices.

Start a small nursery and then come talk to me.

 

[xtsho]

You’re perspective can’t be objective because, you have zero real word experience about the other side. You are obviously a small home grower that has a “theory” about market prices.

Start a small nursery and then come talk to me.

Cool story

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Cool story

It’s a reality for me. For you it is a story

 

[bigtacofarmer]

To add to the point above, how many different types of the same variety do you think they propagate ? I bet you they don’t have 30 different types of aloe, or money tree or whatever.
That’s the problem with this market. People want every different flavor available to choose from and they want it tested, guaranteed pest and pathogen free. And they want it for Walmart prices.
I challenge you to do the same thing I said to loc dog and report back after you sell your first batch of $10 clones.
To run a small nursery properly, it’s like a a full time job. Are people supposed to spend all their time working for everyone’s amusement ?

I think people craving variety is the best thing about the market. Huge commercial grows are the worst thing.

I would way rather see home growers aquire great genetics and learn how easy it is to produce high quality organic flowers than a cooperation.

 

[Deleted User 0283844]

Laugh all you want. I don't need any of your $400 clones. I have strains I've made myself that are fire. This isn't rocket science.

I'll put my stuff up against what you're buying any day.

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Seem like you decided how to feel before you even had this conversation

I can understand if you have shit feelings towards clone folk if you had bad experiences as alot are shit operations based on monetary gain which I'd agree with wholeheartedly. Most I'm sure would agree also.

But alot of info was dropped here, whether chose to scroll by or not read but,still wish ya the best.

Most clone vendors or older growers understand the value of clean genetics when large facilities or valued libraries could be at risk.

Glad you got it all figured out with nothing to learn, I personally don't think that's the best attitude or outlook but to each thier own set of pants to piss in if they'd like .

Can only lead a horse to water.


Take care bud and best of luck

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I think people craving variety is the best thing about the market. Huge commercial grows are the worst thing.

I would way rather see home growers aquire great genetics and learn how easy it is to produce high quality organic flowers than a cooperation.

As a grower and connoisseur, I totally agree. I just meant it creates a challenge and adds cost when you are trying to keep a large selection of mother stock while also keeping it pathogen free. It’s very time consuming and costly.