Original Diesel.

[Bigcrawdaddy2.0]

I haven't met a grower in America who knows what skunk is. Not even remotely. Too many retard-inducing chemicals in the water I think.

That’s rich, considering skunk came from America Now I see some of you guys just wanna argue for the hell of it. There’s some pretty cool people on this forum, and a few people that think they know everything. Also, with a name like norcalskunklord, you would think you actually have old roadkill skunk, but you don’t… so…

 

[bigtacofarmer]

That’s rich, considering skunk came from America Now I see some of you guys just wanna argue for the hell of it. There’s some pretty cool people on this forum, and a few people that think they know everything. Also, with a name like norcalskunklord, you would think you actually have old roadkill skunk, but you don’t… so…

There is always a few people who for some reason consider the life experience of others is somehow inferior to their own. It's as if they think their life is so unique that anything someone else experienced cannot possibly be considered valid. Luckily there are a lot more intelligent and respectful people.

 

[Bigcrawdaddy2.0]

I’m just here to share my experiences, my plants I grow, and to hopefully make a few buddies that wanna trade different sour cuts. I don’t wanna make enemies with anyone on here.

 

[Tynehead Tom]

I’m just here to share my experiences, my plants I grow, and to hopefully make a few buddies that wanna trade different sour cuts. I don’t wanna make enemies with anyone on here.

fair enough, I can dig that...... but don't be throwin shade on OJD ..... he's good people, generous and open/honest about his work. He also takes the time to engage growers here on the forums and many breeders have given up on that because of drama and personal attacks on thier work or claims.
I'll leave it at that and get back in my groove.

 

[Bigcrawdaddy2.0]

fair enough, I can dig that...... but don't be throwin shade on OJD ..... he's good people, generous and open/honest about his work. He also takes the time to engage growers here on the forums and many breeders have given up on that because of drama and personal attacks on thier work or claims.
I'll leave it at that and get back in my groove.

All I was doing was poking holes in the story about his cut, because there were direct contradictions in what the clone looks like here and what jah Hoover posted. No crime committed here and no shitty attitudes appeared from me until it came from him. I’ll always try to figure out the true origins of clones, especially when there are contradictions. You and I could be friends, up to you but don’t sit there and preach to me, then tell me what I can and can’t say. Stay blessed

 

[bimblebrains_1]

All I was doing was poking holes in the story about his cut, because there were direct contradictions in what the clone looks like here and what jah Hoover posted. No crime committed here and no shitty attitudes appeared from me until it came from him. I’ll always try to figure out the true origins of clones, especially when there are contradictions. You and I could be friends, up to you but don’t sit there and preach to me, then tell me what I can and can’t say. Stay blessed

I wouldn't take anything as gospel or reference any work to do with jah hoover if you are trying to verify things, guy is known to work with and pass fake cuts,heard from a very trusted source that what Don and Arran passed him wasn't original diesel anyway,was infact a sour og keeper they had found..I friend of mine has been passed a fake sherb by him in the past.. I know cuz I grew it and told him it was lol ... lady sativa not a good company man

 

[Chevy cHaze]

I guess we are supposed to just take your word then right? Lol. Also you don’t have skunks in the UK that actually smell like skunk, how would you even know what they smell like?

Of course you're supposed to just take his word. Who are you ? Great thread, please keep it friendly hombre
CC

 

[Bigcrawdaddy2.0]

I wouldn't take anything as gospel or reference any work to do with jah hoover if you are trying to verify things, guy is known to work with and pass fake cuts,heard from a very trusted source that what Don and Arran passed him wasn't original diesel anyway,was infact a sour og keeper they had found..I friend of mine has been passed a fake sherb by him in the past.. I know cuz I grew it and told him it was lol ... lady sativa not a good company man

That’s funny because that would mean OJD doesn’t have real original diesel if that’s the case, which is all I’ve been trying to say lol. So many clones being mislabeled, I thought when Jah called it ECSD, that it looked nothing like it, but I was thinking perhaps it’s just like an afghani leaning pheno someone found from seed made by dr greenthumb or res dog. Good to know! Hell I’ve even seen tons of sour diesel cuts called the weasel diesel and somehow all of them look totally different lol. There’s all these unnecessary monickers like the jay plantspeaker cut, weasel diesel, 96 diesel, original diesel etc, none of which are probably what people think they are. Hell even my loompa’s headband was just underdog OG renamed so somebody could take credit for something they didn’t even make lol

 

[bimblebrains_1]

That’s funny because that would mean OJD doesn’t have real original diesel if that’s the case, which is all I’ve been trying to say lol. So many clones being mislabeled, I thought when Jah called it ECSD, that it looked nothing like it, but I was thinking perhaps it’s just like an afghani leaning pheno someone found from seed made by dr greenthumb or res dog. Good to know! Hell I’ve even seen tons of sour diesel cuts called the weasel diesel and somehow all of them look totally different lol. There’s all these unnecessary monickers like the jay plantspeaker cut, weasel diesel, 96 diesel, original diesel etc, none of which are probably what people think they are. Hell even my loompa’s headband was just underdog OG renamed so somebody could take credit for something they didn’t even make lol

Yeah man the diesel and headband historys seem the most convoluted out of all the famous elites and yer that Loompa cut is deffo just an OG ,clear as day...as for Ojd's diesel cut he breeds with,it's definitely different to the 'diesel' the jah hoover worked with that's for sure

 

[Rgd]

And honestly anything you hit with or hit to this Diesel clone produces winner after winner.
I've never seed a better keeper rate making or growing seeds since I started growing , this cut just breeds winner after winner.

sounds good

there is fem pollen from OJD orig Diesel s1 on my 17 year old chemo/og[ chemo pheno] cut

I expect good things..I have not found anything close in wld land to this “chemo"


...will give an Orig Diesel s1 smoke report eventually

 

[zachrockbadenof]

seems everything came from the 11/12 seeds from one oz of chemdog ... sorry i gotta call out bullshit.. the was the only oz

Chem,sour, original diesel...that's the timeline

so everything came from these 11 or 12 seeds from an oz, that cost 500bucks , sent to someone at a dead concert.. that is the story??

 

[ojd]

seems everything came from the 11/12 seeds from one oz of chemdog ... sorry i gotta call out bullshit.. the was the only oz

so everything came from these 11 or 12 seeds from an oz, that cost 500bucks , sent to someone at a dead concert.. that is the story??

Several seeded batches not just 1.
Chemdog from 1st seeded buds bought at Dead show ,
Then seeded Chemdog batches grown by people, weasel etc over years ,made Diesel etc etc.

Chemdog and Diesel clones are known to have herm issues occasionally , and especially if not perfectly dialed

 

[Munson]

Chemdog( the person) first sampled what was called “dog bud” from JoeB and PBud at Deer Creek in June of 1991. Couple months later, Chemdog( the person) contacted JoeB, and an oz or 2 made its way to Mass. This is where a seed that would become chem91 was found

 

[bimblebrains_1]

Chemdog( the person) first sampled what was called “dog bud” from JoeB and PBud at Deer Creek in June of 1991. Couple months later, Chemdog( the person) contacted JoeB, and an oz or 2 made its way to Mass. This is where a seed that would become chem91 was found

Yes that's correct,there's a couple of things I find hard to swollow with the story tho..first being that who knows what bud they posted him a while after because I've read and heard interviews with p bud and Joe b and I think they've both separately said they only ever got one batch of the dog bud and it was like 2 pounds in total...would they really have any left ages later and would they really send/sell 2 ounces if it was that amazing and they couldn't get it again? Highly unlikely they wouldn't have hoarded it for head stash,I know I would have done lol...
So what weed Greg was sent is anyone's guess and the other thing is if you look at the phenos apparently found in the 13 seeds then it's highly unlikely they have the same parents...if you look at pics of the real deal D,sister and 4 then it's clear they have different parents,related yes,but the same mum and dad/pollen donor no I don't think so.
I believe that the 91 clone was found in the first batch of seeds he found in the weed they sent but all the others are hybrids of the 91,thats my guess..to back up the theory when S1'ing the 91' and large populations are grown there is very little phenotypical variation according to Nspecta(CSI) and certainly nothing like the D/GMO type of things and definitely nothing that flowers as long as the chem4

 

[draztik]

It's known only the Chemdog 91 and Chemdog Sister are from the original batch of seeds Chemdog found, everything else is a hybrid of the 91

 

[zachrockbadenof]

whether the seeds were found in an oz/lb/kilo, whatever- what i find hard to believe is that the grower only grew that z/lb/kilo.... if he grew pounds or kilos, that weed could have be sent /sold all over....

 

[Munson]

Yes that's correct,there's a couple of things I find hard to swollow with the story tho..first being that who knows what bud they posted him a while after because I've read and heard interviews with p bud and Joe b and I think they've both separately said they only ever got one batch of the dog bud and it was like 2 pounds in total...would they really have any left ages later and would they really send/sell 2 ounces if it was that amazing and they couldn't get it again? Highly unlikely they wouldn't have hoarded it for head stash,I know I would have done lol...
So what weed Greg was sent is anyone's guess and the other thing is if you look at the phenos apparently found in the 13 seeds then it's highly unlikely they have the same parents...if you look at pics of the real deal D,sister and 4 then it's clear they have different parents,related yes,but the same mum and dad/pollen donor no I don't think so.
I believe that the 91 clone was found in the first batch of seeds he found in the weed they sent but all the others are hybrids of the 91,thats my guess..to back up the theory when S1'ing the 91' and large populations are grown there is very little phenotypical variation according to Nspecta(CSI) and certainly nothing like the D/GMO type of things and definitely nothing that flowers as long as the chem4

Yeah I’d agree it’s hard to believe JoeB sent G the same exact stuff that he got at Deer Creek. So possible theories, chem d is 91 x va super skunk and chem4 is 91 x nl5/haze

 

[bimblebrains_1]

It's known only the Chemdog 91 and Chemdog Sister are from the original batch of seeds Chemdog found, everything else is a hybrid of the 91

I've read numerous times in different interviews that Greg claims they are all from the original 13 seeds..the 91 and the sister from the first few then a few years later he says he popped a few more that were labelled a,b,c etc...found another keeper hence the chem d and then few years after that apparently sent Joe b 4 of the last seeds..that were labelled 1,2,3,4 and obviously chem4 was the keeper...so yes he still claims to this day the whole chem family comes from the beans from that same batch of weed ... I agree I think everything after the 91 is a hybrid with possiblity the exception of the sister but who knows..... apparently the 1,2 and 3 were pretty different as well according to csi

 

[bimblebrains_1]

whether the seeds were found in an oz/lb/kilo, whatever- what i find hard to believe is that the grower only grew that z/lb/kilo.... if he grew pounds or kilos, that weed could have be sent /sold all over..

Joe b said the people that grew the dogbud never let much of it go outside of their close circle and he was never able to strike up a regular thing,it also came from far away so not easy logistically

 

[bimblebrains_1]

Think the dog came from Colorado and Joe b was in California but I could be wrong on that,been a while since I pondered all this stuff haha