CMH vs LED vs HPS

[snakedope]

This dude is just talking. He says picture don’t matter, science don’t matter! I even posted a real side by side with results.

Who cares about your side by side ? Don't you know how to read or u just post shit from your head, read ! Smoke test ! Your smoke test ! Not anyone else ! Science lies, get used to it, Sorry you had to find out about it like this

And they even talked about the actual perception of the smoke and it’s effects! That’s don’t matter either. He is essentially saying nothing matters other than his opinion

No that's what u say, I have nothing to do with your ranting.

he claims he has state of the art LED but it probably would have been easier to type the name of the light than state of the art. This guy doesn’t own LED. He is just talking.

Stupid, go read the entire thread.

so clearly everybody can see you’re afraid to share the LED light you used because either you’re lying and didn’t use it or I was right about the out put and you don’t want everybody to see that I was right… so you’re afraid to share it. As I said you were quick to share you use a 1kw solis tek but afraid to share what 600w LED you used? Just go hide unless you will come back and share the truth to actually give a real opinion based off real results. You don’t want to help people. You just want to go against LED

Really do you read or think before u post your nonsense ?

well I guess that good LED bud have me like that buddy… that is your response to me asking what light you used you’re so afraid and it’s clear to see why

No one is afraid of anything, I used samsung 301 in my panels, that was 2 years ago
No kingbrite bullshit, stop speculation, you are best at that we can tell

All LED, no foxtails
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Nice ! Welcome to the 10% club amigo, your bud looks great, dunno about the smoke so I won't say anything but overall seeing 0% fox tails is very good.

 

[goingrey]

I've seen buds under cfl also, halogen, you name it, we were poor and out of means once, but it grew, was it good ? No.

You have flowered plants with halogen lights? Seriously?

 

[Cactus Squatter]

Yes you do. I see amazing look bud for cheap because it's led bud that only lasts 30min an your rolling up again

That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.

 

[linde]

That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.

I agree on the calcium. I would guess adding a little dolomite lime to the soil might help with the LEDs. I may give the LED one more try this spring when the temps get too high for HID. Dolomite will definitely be added.

 

[Gooseman23]

Sproutboxx. There now go take your meds and drink some cold water.

Finally! And it’s exactly as I expected please see image attached. You by your own admittance said your solis tek has atleast 2x2 more coverage remember? Well if you simply read the product description of the sprout box 600w bar light you see it clearly says up to 4x4 coverage… and you see it says 1548 which as I said we can clearly see the solis tek 1kw DE hps has 2100 umols. So it doesn’t take a scientist to see that the sprout ox would have less coverage and produce less bud. And if you are using your DE in a 5x5 and then you put this light that’s only rated up to 4x4 to cover a 5x5 then that would clearly explain why your buds may not have been as dense or high quality. You simply didn’t give your plants enough light. And this took me 2 seconds to google. So as I said before it sounds like you guys did not do enough research and this is why you had lackluster success with LED. And in the actual description on their website they say it’s for 3x3 up to 4x4. But you’re comparing it to a light for 5x5… I’m also posting the link directly to their site. Look at the pictures. They show the par map… it clearly shows the coverage in a 4x4 that this light is barely able to even cover good in that. I wouldn’t recommend this light and I see exactly why you had not so good success comparing it to 1000w hps. And if you did your research you wouldn’t have even bought this light thinking it would compare at all. Just actually read the listing and tell me what made you think it would compare? Now go back and look at the links I posted and see how those would do better. I didn’t even look at spectrum because I don’t need to go that far into it to see the obvious that it won’t compare. And they don’t even lie and say it will so how you thought that idk…
sproutboxx

SproutBoxx 600W Full Spectrum LED Light Bar

SproutBoxx YB-6K 600W lm301h LED light bars feature an optimized full spectrum engineered to maximise photosynthesis, growth and flowering to deliver outstandingly high yields of 2.8g/W (dried) and maximum phytonutrients and superior crop quality, with an industry leading PPE of 3.1 µmol/J and...

www.sproutboxx.com

now let’s see if snake dope will share his supposedly state of the art light so we can see he probably did the exact same thing but is afraid to admit it.

 

[GoatCheese]

There's a few growers on here that have partially swapped to led. I'd love to see lap tests comparing their hid vs led...

All of the scientific mumbojumbo says that LEDS are superior. Better spectrum this and that. I have yet to see better results.

CXB3590 vs MH/HPS vs 650W ChilLED​

CXB3590 vs MH/HPS vs 650W ChilLED

Cheers fellow growers! Wanted to document this grow since I believe it will help everyone understand lighting a whole lot better, myself included. Here's the specs of the grow: Three 4x8" tables each having" - three ChilLED lights at 650W = 1950W - three 6" Blockbuster hoods running 600W HPS =...

www.icmag.com

 

[linde]

Finally! And it’s exactly as I expected please see image attached. You by your own admittance said your solis tek has atleast 2x2 more coverage remember? Well if you simply read the product description of the sprout box 600w bar light you see it clearly says up to 4x4 coverage… and you see it says 1548 which as I said we can clearly see the solis tek 1kw DE hps has 2100 umols. So it doesn’t take a scientist to see that the sprout ox would have less coverage and produce less bud. And if you are using your DE in a 5x5 and then you put this light that’s only rated up to 4x4 to cover a 5x5 then that would clearly explain why your buds may not have been as dense or high quality. You simply didn’t give your plants enough light. And this took me 2 seconds to google. So as I said before it sounds like you guys did not do enough research and this is why you had lackluster success with LED. And in the actual description on their website they say it’s for 3x3 up to 4x4. But you’re comparing it to a light for 5x5… I’m also posting the link directly to their site. Look at the pictures. They show the par map… it clearly shows the coverage in a 4x4 that this light is barely able to even cover good in that. I wouldn’t recommend this light and I see exactly why you had not so good success comparing it to 1000w hps. And if you did your research you wouldn’t have even bought this light thinking it would compare at all. Just actually read the listing and tell me what made you think it would compare? Now go back and look at the links I posted and see how those would do better. I didn’t even look at spectrum because I don’t need to go that far into it to see the obvious that it won’t compare. And they don’t even lie and say it will so how you thought that idk…
sproutboxx

SproutBoxx 600W Full Spectrum LED Light Bar

SproutBoxx YB-6K 600W lm301h LED light bars feature an optimized full spectrum engineered to maximise photosynthesis, growth and flowering to deliver outstandingly high yields of 2.8g/W (dried) and maximum phytonutrients and superior crop quality, with an industry leading PPE of 3.1 µmol/J and...

www.sproutboxx.com

now let’s see if snake dope will share his supposedly state of the art light so we can see he probably did the exact same thing but is afraid to admit it.

I like the light. I never said it was junk. I simply say that I can get better overall results with the old technology. I will be using it when temps get too hot for HID. It does have uses. Great for seedlings early veg clones and mothers.

 

[Gooseman23]

That’s probably because most commercial ops, at least in my area, max out at 52 days flower per run. Half the shit on the market isn’t close to fully ripe, and almost everything available is a watered down, inbred cookies nightmare that wasn’t good smoke to begin with but looks great.

I run 2 tents. My 4x4 has a dual 315w CMH setup, 630w total. My 5x5 has a Gavita 1700e led panel with 2 UVA bars. Both tents are growing potent smoke. Biggest difference I see between the two tents is the CMH is way easier to grow under and recover from mistakes. LED definitely eats a whole lot more calcium. Everything grown under the led setup was much frostier than I’ve ever seen from the same strains under CMH. I’ve been a CMH grower for a long time and love them over any other bulb option but I’m starting to really like this LED setup as I learn it’s quirks. I just need to get a controller for my LED so I can dim it a little. It’s a bit much for new plants going into the tent.

Now see this is how you come on and give a real opinion! You didn’t hide what lights you used. And you spoke from actual experience clearly and the guys here bashing LED afraid to share what lights they used and not giving any specifics clearly are not speaking from experience.

I like the light. I never said it was junk. I simply say that I can get better overall results with the old technology. I will be using it when temps get too hot for HID. It does have uses. Great for seedlings early veg clones and mothers.

well that’s my point I see from the park maps and the spec it would do good in veg and flower the hell out of a 3x3 but not the most impressive coverage to flower a 4x4 and certainly won’t be good in a 5x5. You claimed that you compared to solis tek 1kw hps and that’s what formed your opinion on LED but I’m simply pointing out the facts of how that was a poor comparison when clearly your LED is much less light output than your hps. As I said if you want to do any kind of fair comparison then you need to match or exceed your light output. But you wanted to argue as if my points are wrong and I’ve shown you in these posts that clearly your comparison was no good. And your buddy snakedope has tucked his tail because he doesn’t want to actually share the light he used because it will be the same thing! He probably got an led with less actual out out than needed for his space and then compared it to hps that was good for the space. It’s exactly the same as comparing a 1000w hps to 600w hps. The obvious will happen. The 1000w will do better because it has much more light output. The only difference is comparing watts is inefficient to compare led to hps. You must compare actual park maps and actual ppf. If you don’t hat before you buy then you can actually run a real comparison

 

[Gooseman23]

Snake at it again lol

Snake ain’t at nothing. I’m clearly showing him how his point is wrong and he claims every point doesn’t matter. Pics don’t matter yet he keeps talking about LED buds foxtailinf when that clearly shows from pics. He is afraid to share what LED he used? Why? Probably because he didn’t even use it and he just pushing his agenda

 

[Gooseman23]

1000w hps peyote Zkittlez day 37... comparing pics is pointless lol. It's hard fore to get in before the lights turn on, day 43 now they just started to really swell up. View attachment 18806708

Well nobody is saying hps doesn’t grow good bud. The point is simply tht LED can too. But you have to do your research and actually compare light output the ppf. And the par map and the spectrum. If you do this things you wouldn’t be disappointed if you switched to LED.

 

[Mitsuharu]

lies and hype

lies are everywhere

corrupt

the sea of lies

shit

Stop talking nonsense

fucked up

shit from your head

bullshit

Stupid

Nice 'arguments'!

 

[exoticrobotic]

I switched to LEDS and was dissapointed.

It grew slightly larger buds and produced lots of blonde resin but the resin was like a 2nd wash when compared with CMH/HPS and didnt satisfy me at all.

The CMH resin was like rocket fuel. Same plant... Same feed.

It's only my experience... Yours may vary...

 

[exoticrobotic]

I found the terpenes were not as strong and complex with LED vs HPS/CMH either.

I am vegging with a 300W LED though.

 

[cfl...KING]

Around here it's all "bubba" an "platinum", coming out of NYC for cheap. It's led/CO2 grown. All smells the same, looks good but 30-45min tops an your not high anymore. The buds are nice an dense, my whole thing is the THC heads are tiny compared to hps.

I'd love to try led grown bud by a grower not a warehouse cash crop opp, but untill that happens my opinion won't be changed based on pics.

The thing is even the old school days NYC had some really good bud coming out of it. Only 2 changes, use to be Hispanics growing with hps an now it's Chinese growing with LEDs... An I'm more certain it has to do with the lights.

 

[snakedope]

Don't u understand that you are debating 16 year old kids who use memes as their argument lol this place just gets awkward by the minute

 

[snakedope]

Gooseman23 you either very stupid or like linde has said, a good sales rep
Both are not flattering

 

[moose eater]

This skirmish reminds me of the haze threads that evolve into range wars.

I linked to a light above/previously where a long-time grower is using Spydrx LEDs and has no issue with product or light penetration.

I've only barely experimented with LEDs, and it was minimal, not involving any serious lighting, in a mother cupboard with excess mothers and not wanting to kill them, as well as being a bit greedy at the time..

I stuck to hps, and later on, cmh due to one primary variable; the plants feed differently under hps/cmh versus LED, and I'm stuck in my habits/ways; learning a new feed schedule was another speed-bump I didn't need at that time..

 

[cfl...KING]

This skirmish reminds me of the haze threads that evolve into range wars.

I linked to a light above/previously where a long-time grower is using Spydrx LEDs and has no issue with prooduct or light penetration.

I've only barely experiemnted with LEDs, and it was minimal, not involving any serious lighting, in a mother cupboard with excess mothers and not wanting to kill them, as well as being a bit greedy at the time..

I stuck to hps, and later on, cmh due to one primary variable; the plants feed differently under hps/cmh versus LED, and I'm stuck in my habits/ways; learning a new feed schedule was another speed-bump I didn't need at that time..

Did they have the buds tested? I could post pics of led buds that look amazing but are trash when smoked. It's my personal experience. I need something other than pictures or smoke tests by people who I don't know their tolerance levels...

 

[moose eater]

Did they have the buds tested? I could post pics of led buds that look amazing but are trash when smoked. It's my personal experience. I need something other than pictures or smoke tests by people who I don't know their tolerance levels...

He seems more than happy with his crops. And he's been around longer than most people I know in the grower community.. Far from a spring chicken. Whether or not he's had testing done by a lab, I can't say, though I doubt it.

 

[madalasatori]

Around here it's all "bubba" an "platinum", coming out of NYC for cheap. It's led/CO2 grown. All smells the same, looks good but 30-45min tops an your not high anymore. The buds are nice an dense, my whole thing is the THC heads are tiny compared to hps.

I'd love to try led grown bud by a grower not a warehouse cash crop opp, but untill that happens my opinion won't be changed based on pics.

The thing is even the old school days NYC had some really good bud coming out of it. Only 2 changes, use to be Hispanics growing with hps an now it's Chinese growing with LEDs... An I'm more certain it has to do with the lights.

Dunno but that sounds maybe more like the strain than the lighting? Imo cookies stuff gives a very short lived high but looks pretty. I love the high btw