Il coltivo del Fattone... Il ritorno

[IlFattone96]

Ciao a tutti coltivatori!
Ritorno dopo una lunga assenza sia dal foro che dal coltivo (giusto un paio di esperienze in questi anni ma nulla di che).

In realtà sono già attivo da circa inizio aprile, ho acquistato un nuovo box 120x60x200 marca sconosciuta (in precendenza avevo un marshydro 120x120x200) e il vecchio setup:

• MarsHydro Epistar 160 (fuori produzione da quello che ho visto) ha sulle spalle circa 5 cicli
• Estrattore TT 12.5 blauberg
• Intrazione passiva dagli strap rettangolari del box
• Ventilatore ottima marca 3 velocità
• Umidificatore 5L
• igrometro
• Fertilizzanti ADV (non completo)
• Acqua da rubinetto decantata 24H o piu

Come detto prima ho avviato il setup ad aprile dove tenevo sia le piantine per l orto da germinare che le nostre amate bimbe ho acquistato delle talee di fanta arancia (selezione Ice Cream Cake di uncle jack) e freakshow di Humboltd (selezione del venditore da cui ho acquistato le talee, pheno tropicallll); una fanta l ho tenuta come mamma da cui prelevare talee e le freakshow da mettere out in terrazzo.

Prima esperienza nel fare talee, ho utilizzato vasetti con terra light mix, taglio classico a 45°, forbici ben affilate e pulite con alcool, poi gambo passato nella cannella in polvere e messo in terra sotto serretta, umidità 90+ e via; cavo riscaldante se troppo freddo.
Ora vado con jiffy immersi in acqua con stimolatore root della hesi, poi sempre impanati nella cannella in media, se riesco a controllare bene i parametri, un 20 gg e han radicato.

Diciamo che il cazzeggio con talee mamme ecc è durato un po )alcune talee poi regalate ad amici grower) nel mentre 2 freakshow in vasi da 20 25L light mix, humus e zeolite + rimasuglio di un preparato supersoil stavano crescendo beate in terrazzo; circa a fine luglio si sono aggiunte sul terrazzo due fanta arancia in vasi tessuto da 7.5 lighmix humus zeolite e nell orto una talea di freakshow dopo un combattimento all'ultimo sangue con quel bastardo di un ragno rosso... (Che prosegue tutt'ora ) Freakshow dell orto messa in terra piena, scavato buca da circa 25L messo terra buona dell agraria (leggermente prefertilizzata), humus, zeolite, perlite (non sciacquata, non cazziatemi vi prego ) e guano plagron; successivamente verso metà agosto ho aggiunto una busta di booster per flo di un supersoil acquistato in precedenza + humus e terriccio.

Nel box erano rimaste la mamma di fanta arancia, travasata in un vaso in tessuto da 10 o 11 L circa sempre light mix, e una serretta con talee di vario tipo, fanta, freak, piu altri cut prelevati da piante di amici moby dick (dinafem) e mexican (sensi seeds mi pare).
Appena le talee di fanta erano circa un 20cm, ho selezionato le 5 piu belle e le ho travasate in vasi tessuto da 7.5L light mix + mykos + qualche manciata di humus; utilizzo anche piranha o tarantula (non ricordo ora quale tra i due) 2ml nel foro dove va inserito il panetto durante il trapianto.
Poi ho sistemato le 5 talee di fanta + la mamma nel box 120x60 a vegetare ancora un po, circa 3 settimane; ora ho switchato a 12/12 (cambio diretto, senza scalare ore di luce) il 15 settembre.

Ho avuto anche qualche disavventura con ragno e tripide, un po sono stato cog**ne io a portare cut dall esterno, un po la sfiga che perseguita... Sulle piante out son riuscito a tenere a bada il ragno ma non ad eliminarlo (neem, success, zeolite fogliare), nel box ho avuto un problema tripidi che pare risolto con un prodotto bayern; peccato che poi ho scoperto una talea di fanta nel box con ragno... E le bestemmie partono facili facili comunque eliminando foglie e trattando con success + neem pare che ho risolto, PARE perché le uova son sempre dietro l angolo... Volevo prendere un altro prodotto da usare assieme al success, si tratta di un acaricida a base di beauveria bassiana (ceppo 74040) della Naturalis; qualcuno ha gia utilizzato prodotto simile? Se no cosa consigliate da usare assieme al success e neem? Insetti antagonisti?

Cambiando un attimo argomento, volevo condividere come utilizzo il mio setup:

1. Estrattore sempre in funzione (1 velocità) a luci accese e sempre spento di notte, è corretto? Ho il dubbio ma sono comodo in questo modo nel tenere costanti i valori di T e Ur.

2.Ventilatore sempre acceso di giorno, sempre spento di notte come l estrattore.

3. L umidificatore è posizionato al di sotto dei vasi, e il vapore viene sparato dal auo bocchettone originali, quindi nel sottobosco, dovrei forse, tramite un tubo collegato, far si che rilasci il vapore a livello degli apicali?

4. Intrazione passiva, purtroppo non ho proprio modo di portare tramite tubo l aria fresca da fuori, faccio comunque entrare aria nuova nella stanza del grow 2 3 volte al giorno.

5. Fertilizzanti, come accennato prima utilizzo ADV da qualche anno, non ho tutti i prodotti, per ora utilizzo:
Grow micro bloom base
Tarantula, piranha e vodoo
Carboload
Rhino skin
Bug bud
Bud ignitor
Overload
Flawless finish (che mi hanno sconsigliato di usare)
Stimolatore radicale della Hesi.

L' acqua la faccio sempre decantare almeno 24h (salvo alcuni casi dove mi dimentico di riempire il secchio da 5L ), abbastanza dura quella che utilizzo circa 40 gradi francesi, però abbiamo l addolcitore, non so se cambia qualcosa. Ho anche una pompetta ad aria con attaccata una pietra porosa, di solito prima di irrigare la faccio andare mezzoretta in modo da ossigenare l acqua per bene; è inutile come cosa? O meglio farlo dopo aver aggiunto i fert?

Sinceramente non so se in futuro cambiare e passare a supersoil/livingsoil oppure a fert organici di un ottima marca (magari qualcosa di made in Italy); ci stavo gia pensando se partire con un supersoil sto ciclo, ma poi ho visto i fert adv che facevamo polvere nell' armadio e nulla, ho deciso di finire questi prima.

Penso di non aver dimenticato nulla, c'è sempre da imparare, sopratutto dai proprio errori, se vedete qualcosa di errato o poco chiaro non esitate, è sempre un piacere scambiare quattro chiacchere con altri grower, dal vivo purtroppo mi capita raramente...

Domani aggiungo una carrellata di foto in e out poi volevo soffermarmi un attimo sulle freak in vaso sul terrazzo che son belle scariche, e non ho capito bene se son io con la mano troppo leggera oppure c'è un blocco di sali e urge un flusss

Grazie per chi vorrà seguirmi ed intervenire/consigliare
Buon coltivo a tutti!

 

[Creeperpark]

Dove sono le foto?

 

[IlFattone96]

Dove sono le foto?

Ciao Creeper! Arrivano arrivano come detto ieri appena stacco da lavoro ed arrivo a casa vi metto na bella carrellata

 

[IlFattone96]

Eccoci con le foto!
Parto dal box 120x60:

Come T minime/massime ora sono sui 22/23 e 24/25 quindi direi bene, UR cerco di tenerla a bada piu che posso, come range sono tra 50e 60, a volte vado anche sul 70%.
Alle bimbe sto dando solo acqua ph corretto 6.3 6.4, alla mamma un irrigo si e uno no aggiungo 2/3ml a L di grow e micro della ADV, ogni 2 innaffiate da anche o root della Hesi o vodoo tarantula piranha + carboload, prossimo irrigo penso anche qualche ml di bloom per stimolare bene la fioritura; forse alla mamma dovrei togliere ancora qualche ramo laterale che non prende luce.
Prossimo irrigo volevo anche controllare EC dell acqua di scolo per vedere quanto è carico ancora il terreno.

Come detto sopra estrattore e ventilatore vanno sempre a luci accese e spenti quando la luce è off; anche umidificatore stessa cosa.
Un acquisto che volevo fare è forse un igrostato da attaccare all estrattore, voi che dite?
Il led ora è al 100% ho acceso anche lo switch bloom, ora è a spettro completo; una cosa che mi son chiesto è se vale la pena le ultime o l ultima sett di flo mettere solo switch bloom.

Ora arrivano anche le foto dell out, ci metto un po che sono da cell e quando clicco per inserire le foto non me le fa vedere, devo andare un po ad occhio
Bella growers!

 

[IlFattone96]

E ora vai con l out!
Freakshow nell orto, terra piena, trapiantata a fine luglio:

Come vedete è in forma, resina copiosa (piu di quelle in terrazzo) profumo frutto maturo/tropicale/un po gassoso anche; peccato per il ragnetto che è un po esploso a fioritura inoltrata, sto passando le foglie con le dita, pensavo quasi di immergere le dita in acqua+neem e passare le foglie, la parte inferiore sopratutto; il tipo di foglia della freak non facilita di certo il processo...
Comunque ai prospetta un bel raccolto, non tanto di quantità ma di qualità spero

 

[giorgio1974]

Molto bello, complimenti
io sono alle primissime esperienze, sono al primo coltivo, avrei delle curiosità sulle talee

Prima esperienza nel fare talee, ho utilizzato vasetti con terra light mix, taglio classico a 45°, forbici ben affilate e pulite con alcool, poi gambo passato nella cannella in polvere e messo in terra sotto serretta, umidità 90+ e via; cavo riscaldante se troppo freddo.
Ora vado con jiffy immersi in acqua con stimolatore root della hesi, poi sempre impanati nella cannella in media, se riesco a controllare bene i parametri, un 20 gg e han radicato.

alla fine non ho capito se si tratta solo di avere un prodotto sempre più o meno allo stesso livello provenendo dalla stessa mdre o se serve anche per velocizzare la produzione.

 

[TANO]

Bella la Freak

 

[weedzer1]

Interessantissimo questa freakshow che ho visto anche in altri cultivi, devo averla per forza per l'out ahahahahahahah seguo con interesse

 

[AlphaCentaury78]

Ciao IlFattone vedo che sei bello carico di lavoro poi la freakshow è veramente assurda.
Il Mars Epistar che chicca un vero carro armato.
Mi metto comodo.
Buon proseguimento

 

[IlFattone96]

E infine l out sul terrazzo!

Le due fanta arancia nane, trapiantate a fine luglio/inizio agosto, vasi tessuto 7.5L light mix, humus, zeolite; sempre ph corretto 6.5 6.6, ho smesso con grow micro e bloom adv da 10gg, sto dando solo big bud, rinho, carboload un irrigo si uno no, l ultima volta ho cominciato anche con overdrive (è da dare ultime de sett di flo); mi tengo un po sotto le dosi indicate sulla confezione.
Toppate una volta al 4 5 internodo

Stanno iniziando a scaricare come profumo secondo me deve ancora assestarsi bene, si sentono note frizzanti, arancia (proprio il sapore non l odore di buccia), a volte quasi mandarino, forse una nota vanigliata; vedremo piu in la, prevedo di tagliare tra un due settimane circa.
A ovviamente pure loro son condite con quel figlio di una mi**ta di ragno rosso... Anche qua vado di dita e passo tutte le foglie una volta al gg, non voglio spruzzare nulla, anche di bio.

Per ultime (ma non di meno importanza) le freak in vaso (raccattati in soffitta che i denari scarseggiano purtroppo), anno prossimo rimedio con dei bei air pot o sempre vasi in tessuto da 25 30L.

Anche qua irrigo sempre con acqua decantata, ph corretto sul 6.5, sono stato un po pesante con i fert fino a 10 giorni fa, davo sempre grow micro bloom ad ogni irrigata, circa sempre 3ml/L con aggiunta poi di rinho, big bud e ad inizio flo bud ignitor; poi ho fatto qualche irrigo di stop fert base, con solo qualche boost per flo un irrigo si uno no, (perché vedevo che non spingevano bene i fiori, pochi tricomi rispetto a quella nell orto, e si stava scaricando troppo velocemente) ora è da un paio di abbeverate che faccio una con grow micro bloom 2ml o 3ml/L max, una con booster per flo (big bud rhino, carboload, overdrive) e ogni 3 una con sola acqua.
Penso di aver trovato un giusto compromesso perde comunque 3 4 foglie ogni giorno.

Ho fatto un paio di topping quando ancora erano in vegetativa per tenerle piu a cespuglio, una piu riuscita l altra meno.

Anche qua immancabile ragnetto che mi accompagna sempre giuro che prossimi in o out che sia do neem fogliare ogni 3gg

 

[IlFattone96]

Molto bello, complimenti
io sono alle primissime esperienze, sono al primo coltivo, avrei delle curiosità sulle talee

alla fine non ho capito se si tratta solo di avere un prodotto sempre più o meno allo stesso livello provenendo dalla stessa mdre o se serve anche per velocizzare la produzione.

Eila giorgio!
Grazie molte, guarda come esperienza ho iniziato anch'io da poco, mi son letto qualcosina prima; ma si alla fine lo si fa per avere piante tutte uguali (poi diciamo che in genere non si procede come ho fatto io, prima si fa un ciclo da seme di una genetica o piu per scegliere per bene le madri, si fa rivegetare e poi quando è bella grandicella si iniziano a prelevare i cloni correggetemi se sbaglio poi ragazzi! Nel velocizzare la produzione, sni, nel senso io ho visto che per far radicare un 20gg mi ci vogliono, partendo da seme mi sa che è la stessa cosa forse... Secondo me vale piu il fattore di avere piante identiche alla mamma. So che poi piu di tot anni meglio non tenere la stessa madre, che perde di vigore, principi attivi, terpeni ecc.

Ti auguro di cominciare al meglio questo fantastico hobby!

 

[IlFattone96]

Interessantissimo questa freakshow che ho visto anche in altri cultivi, devo averla per forza per l'out ahahahahahahah seguo con interesse

Primo anno che provo questa genetica, so che i genitori provengono da quella che chiamano ABC (australian bastard cannabis), di incroci e selezioni ce ne sono moltissime (foglie diverse, colori dei fiori ecc); ho scelto di comprare delle talee perché prima cosa i semi non sono facili da reperire in europa da quello che ho visto, e secondo la germinazione è assai piu difficile rispetto alle classiche genetiche. Leggevo che i semi son durissimi, bisogna lasciarli parecchio in ammollo ed altre pratiche che non ricordo

Io comunque son molto soddisfatto per ora, poi mai fatto pianta piu stealth di questa hahaha
Bella accomodati pure!

 

[IlFattone96]

Ciao IlFattone vedo che sei bello carico di lavoro poi la freakshow è veramente assurda.
Il Mars Epistar che chicca un vero carro armato.
Mi metto comodo.
Buon proseguimento

Hola Alpha! Assai haha poi ora che ho ricominciato a pieno con il lavoro il tempo da dedicare è molto meno
Ah e mi manca anche da farvi vedere il mini box autocostruito (da sistemare e qualche modifica) per le talee appena colte e cloni gia radicati

Dici che la Mars Pro II se la gioca ancora bene rispetto alle nuove dimmerabili ecc? Dovrei darle una bella pulita interna a dire la verità, si è formato un polverino bianco che devo ancora capire da dove proviene; fine di sto ciclo DEVO assolutamente metterci mano!

Grazie e accomodati pure, ci son posti in abbondanza!

 

[AlphaCentaury78]

Se funziona e non ti va di spendere soldi perché no. Per vegetare va benone e volendo anche per fiorire.
L’importante è che tiri su un po’ di erbetta
Ma hai la 120 da 260 watt?

 

[IlFattone96]

Se funziona e non ti va di spendere soldi perché no. Per vegetare va benone e volendo anche per fiorire.
L’importante è che tiri su un po’ di erbetta
Ma hai la 120 da 260 watt?

Hai detto bene, denari ora come ora non vorrei spenderne è na lampada onesta, ti dirò no ho mai coltivato con hps/cmh ecc quindi non ho riferimenti; no quella che ho io è la Epistar 160 (c'era anche la Cree) quella da 300 e qualcosa W a pieno regime.
Dovrebbe coprire in maniera ottimale uno spazio di 120x60, io che la tengo a 40cm ora, nei lati corti pecca un poco a mio parere

 

[AlphaCentaury78]

Si infatti per coprire bene il tuo spazio c’è ne vorrebbero almeno un paio.

 

[TANO]

Primo anno che provo questa genetica, so che i genitori provengono da quella che chiamano ABC (australian bastard cannabis), di incroci e selezioni ce ne sono moltissime (foglie diverse, colori dei fiori ecc); ho scelto di comprare delle talee perché prima cosa i semi non sono facili da reperire in europa da quello che ho visto, e secondo la germinazione è assai piu difficile rispetto alle classiche genetiche. Leggevo che i semi son durissimi, bisogna lasciarli parecchio in ammollo ed altre pratiche che non ricordo

Io comunque son molto soddisfatto per ora, poi mai fatto pianta piu stealth di questa hahaha
Bella accomodati pure!

La Freakshow non c'entra nulla con l'australian bastard cannabis ABC.

questa è la storia della Freakshow :

About​

This page is all about the creation of Freakshow in Shapeshifter’s words, for short answers please refer to our FAQ page.
“The creation story of Freakshow Cannabis is a rather complicated one, so I’ll try to condense and simplify it as much as possible here. People often ask, “How did you do it?” and I can only reply, “You got a couple of hours?” It’s hard to say where to begin on it because the story on it might begin in 1958 when I was born. I was born a person who has always had a profound interest in things that are rare and different. Things that are unusual, odd, weird, strange, abnormal,(even people), or mutated have been something I’ve always been intrigued by. Conversely, things that are common, ordinary, normal, or standard I have always found to be boring and uninteresting, I guess I’m a little freaky in these respects. The same holds true for anything popular, fashionable or mainstream (some aspects of recent cannabis culture, sorry, just kidding!)
Anyway, in the ’70s everyone had access to large amounts of cannabis seeds out of imported brick weed. Some Mexican of course, some Colombian, and some others of unknown origin. Flats of hundreds were sprouted, and just because it was interesting and people suspected that there might be correlations between a kind of evolutionarily advanced phenotype and other desirable characteristics,(such as potency and taste) anything unusual was selected. Knowing that they’re all different, total screening would be routine. Back in those days, there were a lot of phenotypes that were out of the ordinary. These were all NLD (Narrow Leaf Drug) types because that’s all we had at the time. Later when we grew out some kinds from Thailand,(Thaistick was sinsemilla, but had an occasional seed) it became clear how entirely different each kind was from another, and by sifting through so many, how much phenotypic variation there was between individual plants. And not just their appearance, but the aromas, the effects, and the chemistry (and not just between strains, but individual plants as well). Nothing had any names and most of these batches were randomly, thoroughly mixed up collections, though some were kept separate, graded, and itemized. (but only as good, killer and not so good, but back then some damn fine genetics could be had in the Mex. schwag).
So I guess it could be said that searching for unusual phenotypes in cannabis has always been a hobby of mine. Along the way, many oddities were found and bred, including dwarf types, web-leaf, extreme narrow leaf, fasciation, high leaflet counts (up to 21), higher than normal serration counts, double serrate, double leaf, variegated, buds on petioles, etc. Nobody else really had any interest in this stuff. People were mostly interested in something that was high production in those days. As “Indica” or BLD(Broad Leaf Drug) came into the mainstream and BLD and BLD dominant hybrids became hugely popular, NLDs fell to the wayside. Maybe because they were becoming unpopular, and were getting to be scarce and harder to come by, almost to the point of extinction, I continued to work with “Sativas” and of course still do to this day. I feel good that I have preserved, refined, and archived a lot of these cultivars as they fell out of popularity because they’ve become a lot rarer and hard to find these days, and more and more people are finally discovering the value of them.
It is partly because of the life-long focus on working “Sativa” genetics that Freakshow ended up being developed. Afghanica types don’t have the variation from the norm, this I know because many BLD (Broad Leaf Drug) batches were screened through also. This may be because they originate from the same basic geographical region (Hindu Kush range), or that they’re from a much higher latitude. NLDs were developed under a much wider range of various tropical, sub-tropical, equatorial and temperate zones, pretty much worldwide, thus forcing them to adapt to a much wider range of environmental conditions and as a result more variation.
Oftentimes people would choose the biggest plant, or biggest budder, as the yield was often the greatest concern. Truly, quality suffers when profit is the primary consideration. And demand dwarfed supply, so there wasn’t much incentive to improve upon existing genetics. ( but not true everywhere, some folks were religiously keeping their favorite line pure in those days, too.)
Back then males were often chosen arbitrarily, based mostly on the same criteria, (large) or maybe even more often seeds came as the result of an accident. (A small male missed or males pulled a little late or some herm action that went unnoticed). The only way I could see back in those days to increase the odds of preserving the desirable, favorable genetics was to breed groups of females, using a selected male, choose from finished seeded individuals and cull (discard) the rest. Later (much later) when asexual propagation came into play (cloning) it really streamlined things because now we could retain the exact genetics for future breedings, backcrossing, etc. These “holdbacks” would be kept around for years until they were no longer needed. Lab testing eventually became an instrumental tool as well, but personal, hands-on analysis (burn a doob) always was and still is very reliable, in my opinion. Marker-assisted selection may become a common protocol in the future, thus eliminating a lot of the guesswork. (toketest is worthy) Whoa… way off subject…
So this is how this all got started so many decades ago. Since screening through many, many seedlings were routine, anomalies would appear quite often. As time went by and Afghanica and hybrids began to dominate the collective California genome, and as the overall cannabis genome evolved, it seems fewer weirdos were appearing. Noticing that these strange mutant genes (and NLD’s) were becoming a rarity, I started to take a new interest in them.
The breeding methodology could be described as line/ inbreeding coupled with methodical selection techniques with initial primary selection criteria to be simply the most unusual leaf morphology and of course selecting from the unusual leaf morph phenos for the most desirable variation, and also for other desirable traits along the way. This extra selection screening is done at all stages of the way including analysis of mature, dry inflorescences. There was a backcross at the f-4 gen. to the original Pineapple Express parental line. The backcross parent was a fem. with nearly normal leaves except slightly deeper than normal serrations. This backcross was made to improve and stabilize other worthy traits that were prominent on that side. (terpene profile, bud structure and density, etc) I went back and read the provisional patent and can see that I left off at the f-3 generation, at which point I handed it over to Nat. They (Nat and Ben of HSC) took it to f-4, and are now working on an f-5, and will now be breeding and selecting on the f-6 and 7 Supafreaks (aka Fruityfreak) These last two generations were dedicated to selecting for a new lacier leaf morphology and a wider variety of fruit tones (there is some berry, pineapple, and sort of mixed fruit types appearing now along with the lime/ pine phenos that it was expressing previously) and sesquiterpenes (lingering fume). We will both be taking it to f-7 and 8 and producing feminized now that it is locked in to our satisfaction. We recently had had an informal sampling get together and there was no unanimous winner, instead, they were all generally approved of but everyone had a personal favorite. Guess it’s all about personal interpretation. Original Freakshow at f-4 was and still is homozygous and true-breeding as many seeds have been sprouted and grown and to my knowledge there hasn’t been any that are not expressing the FStp.-2 leaf morphology (Nat can attest to this I’m pretty sure) and also it is now proving to be fairly homozygous for several other desirable traits that had been selected for during the process of stabilizing the desired, chosen leaf configuration. (and this can be corroborated by all the posts online nowadays) I would attest this homozygosity to several factors: 1.) 3 of 4 of the original parental lines are of a nearly pure “Sativa” (NLD) heritage that very likely share a high percentage of common genetics, because, among many other reasons including that they were unpopular, they had been kept as pure “Sativa”, kept within their own subspecies, all those years, while so much of the rest of the cannabis genome had been hybridized, and thus, destabilized. 2.) The parental lines were all expressing many common traits even before the f-1 cross was made. 3.) A very narrow margin of selection criteria was adhered to during the whole process. 4.) The environmental conditions (elevation, lattitude, exposure, soil, nutrients, Ph, water, etc.) being exactly the same for all generations of the breeding project inducing epigenetic shifts, increasing the level of homogeneity 5.) The breeder’s long history of striving to gain an understanding of the dynamics of genetic mechanisms and how to apply that knowledge to the goal of preserving, improving, refining, stabilizing, and archiving rare cannabis genetics.(no brag…just fact…hahaha…no, he’s not egotistical at all) It should be noted that I have done a hell of a lot of breeding of FS that isn’t being mentioned here, there’s really no reason to lay it all out. but yeah, there are several separate lines, backcrosses, special terpene profile selections, on and on. It all falls under the patented strain, and to keep working it and improving it is just what I do. It would take volumes to elaborate, so I won’t! So, here goes….The initial f-1 cross was made between a female Pineapple Express and a male Holy Chiquita aka Holy Banana. The PE was selected out of a generation of PE that I had done, which was out of an IBL of PE.( except for having sourced some PE genetics from G-13 Labs, the origins of it are unknown) The line sourced from G-13 Labs is no longer available. PE’s only known lineage is supposedly Trainwreck (unknown lineage) and Maui Wowi (also unknown lineage). Other sources of information have it as BC Bigbud x Skunk #1 (Phylos) but I had sourced “Pineapple Express” from all over and had done some crossing and selecting of the various cultivars so it’s a bit blurry now. (how much does it really matter) It would appear that a popular name can get adopted, it happens all the time. Anyway, after a thorough and diligent search very little can be found out about the heritage of this strain, except that it consists of nearly pure “Sativa” (NLD) genetics and I think it can be assumed that G-13 Labs had line-bred and selected this cultivar for some generations because they had it available for many years, it appeared to be very stable, and it proved to breed true fairly consistently.(homozygous) The staminate Holy Chiquita was bred originally by Coastal Seed Co. in Santa Cruz, and having researched it, apparently is no longer available. Thorough research of the heritage on it reveals that they created it by crossing Big Sur Holy Weed (again, just a name) x Banana Kush, and that the actual lineage of BSHW is unknown, and that BK was derived down from a cross between OG Kush and Banana both of which appear to be of unknown genetic lineage. The pollen donor was a selection from the f-2 generation.(assuming they were releasing f’1’s, which is unknown, it may have been an IBL because the f-2 had very little variability) The selected male expressed slightly narrower leaflets, red stems and higher leaflet and serration counts than the other candidates, and also a much more desirable (sweet, fruity) terpene profile. Another trait selected for was trichome density which is observed in the early stages with a handheld 40x scope and can be seen clearly with the naked eye toward maturation and dehiscence. (yes, males sometimes have trichomes that rival some females!) It was observed in the f-2 generation that this cross was very stable in overall phenotypic expression except for the appearance of the new leaf morphology (type 1 “gatortooth) As far as the public availability of FS-tp2, it’s widely available…..Even though it is homozygous for leaf structure and many other traits, it’s still a work in progress and will be channeled in whatever directions I decide to take it in. It would be a lot simpler if FS was just a new stabilized mutation, but it’s a lot cooler that it’s a changeling, a shapeshifter, a continuously evolving and mutating abnormality of the plant world the likes of which has never been seen before.

My breeding goals primarily have always been (in this order) terpene profile, especially sesquiterpenes which involve taste and fume and monoterpenes (aroma), trichome density, THC levels, calyx/leaf ratio, bud structure, calyx size, shorter or earlier flowering periods, pest/mildew resistance, among many other less important selection criteria. A lot of folks consider bud density (tightness) an important factor but there is such a thing as too tight which can make them botrytis susceptible. (tradeoff?) Iv’e created and trashed quite a few. You might say that just keeping a type ‘as is’ without trying to improve it by outcrossing it, rather just selecting from the same line was oftentimes the goal. (stabilization).

Possibly as a result of having selected for the typical NLD phenotypic expression for so many generations, some anomalies seemed to start to appear again. For whatever reasons I had decided to just work the strangest ones to just see what would result, to find out what could be accomplished, if there were any limitations and to see if there were any correlations with these anomalies and other traits expressed (this was about 4 or 5 years back). I really didn’t have any goal of trying to create freaks until I saw the “gatortooth pheno in the f-2 gen of the Holy Express. I was working that line because it was awesome. It seriously had it all.

Like stated above, the initial phenos that started expressing freakiness were out of a cross that I was stabilizing for a certain flavor, terpene profile,(limonene, pinene) which had phenotypes exhibiting super deep “gator tooth” serrations. Another pheno out of this same line had extra leaflets, which isn’t so rare, but this one was, as it had a crazy amount of extras.(17-21 total) The following generation was
an IBL cross of the above described two anomalous phenos, and some selections were made that exhibited both anomalies, and this was narrowed down even further based on other considerations. (breeding for more than one trait simultaneously, not always wise, but it worked out nicely, terpwise!) At this point, we had created freakshow type 1, which has been subsequently stabilized in a separate line but is still being perfected and stabilized. Freakshow type one is just as cool as type 2 as far as I’m concerned but we released type 1 first because it’s such a showstopper. Type 1 is coming out soon, though.

The following generation is where the magic began. Flats of hundreds were sprouted again and screened for freaks. This is when the name Freakshow came into being, some of them couldn’t be described any other way. At this time, I had my son (@cannabis_potentcy_research on Instagram) post some pictures of them online to see if anyone else worldwide had anything similar. No one had anything similar at all, but the whole idea of breeding for freakiness had become seemingly a new thing. It was interesting that there were a lot of various atypical leaf morphologies out there, but nothing even remotely resembling these freaks.

So, I continued to select and breed the freaks for a couple more generations. Originally there was Freakshow which was wildly out of the taxonomic norm, but then an even weirder (way, way weirder) phenotype appeared. This was one was called type 2 and the other freak was named Freakshow type 1. (type 1 is a total departure from the norm also and pics will be added to the gallery) The first type 2 was the only one out of the batch of 300 or so. Sorry for the redundancy, I’m not a writer, but I guess you could say that type 1 led to the discovery of type 2. Subsequent screening and breeding has brought us to the point where this super rare gene group is now very much dominant and can actually be called a “true-breeding strain”, which, needless to say, took a little time and effort! (Time and effort that should be put in on remaining decent existing cultivars, before we cross-breed them into oblivion. A legit F-1 can only result from a stabilized line bred selected parent stock, something which we’re in dire shortage of. More later, sorry to preach, I’m guilty too!)

Also, she seems fairly homozygous in the way of tasty terp profile, albeit diverse at this point, but not so much along the lines of say, growth rate, but that can be selected for in future generations. I believe that this strain will always express diversity because that’s one of the most inherent properies of this plant. Anyone thats ever grown it can tell you that there are subtle differences between each plant and even each leaf. We intend to continue selection and stabilization on this familial line indefinitely. A dwarf mutation was found lately and is being propagated,(why not) it’s 8 months old and is in a 6″ bonsai pot, and is no more than 8″ tall! Picss will be posted soon. I have no doubt whatsoever that the potential of what can be accomplished with mindful line-breeding strategies is unlimited, And it will be fun and interesting to watch it unfold.

When I saw my first ever seedling of Freakshow type 2, I had a feeling I was looking at something no one in the world (today) had ever seen before, (which turned out to be right) it truly was a strange sort of enlightenment, even interdimensional, just knowing how many individuals (tens of thousands) that were looked for such a long span of time, and yet I’m looking at something totally new, a morphology brand new to the planet! (The ability of some of these “freakiest of the freaks” to freely continue to redesign themselves is also…seemingly endless!) And awe-inspiring to put it casually.

The time and dedication that I’ve put in on this little pet project, has been well worth it, if only for the learning experience of watching real-time evolution in action. (albeit via artificial selection, but think about it, how much other “evolution” evolved this way? We humans have been around doing this sort of stuff for an extremely long time, look at canines and corn, for instance!) And of course, cannabis, man’s other best friend, safe to say humans had a hand in the creation of this plant as we know it today, and will continue to. This latest project only leads to more questions, more study, and more learning. I’m thankful for my experience with cannabis, and all other genetic studies because it gives us a very spiritual sense of awe, amazement of the workings of DNA, of natural biological mechanisms, which in an almost magical, spiritual way seems to possess an infinite capability to improvise, adapt, and overcome, according to environmental pressures and conditions (epigenesis). I eventually had to shift my personal opinion of this to a genetic/environment influence ratio of at least maybe 60/40. Anyhow, as is true of all the scientific disciplines, the more we learn, the more we realize how much there is to be learned, and how limited our current understanding of things is.

Considering my long, (life long) experience of striving to gain an understanding of the workings of genetics and their interaction with the environment (epigenetics) I feel I’ve only scratched the surface because it truly does lead to more questions than answers. This is good. I figure people with that kind of scientific curiosity should enjoy learning, but at the same time have a healthy respect and reverence for that part of the natural world that is magical and may never be fully explained in any scientific terms, or ever fully understood by humans.

i like the saying, “Just because something cannot be explained, doesn’t mean it can’t be true.” This is kinda where Freakshow cannabis falls in, because I myself as the breeder/creator of it, am truly at a loss as to how to fully explain it. Although I have hypothetical hunches (suppression of the regulatory function of the KNOX1 and FLO/LFY genes, for one, but possibly just a wild guess) I know there are scientific methods unending to cause mutation, but this is simply an approach that Darwin wrote about in 1868, that he called “methodical selection”. It’s that simple. And natural. No chem, serious hippy! I don’t think it matters that much, what really matters is there will always be things that remain mysterious. Sure, it would be cool to have a complete explanation as to the biological mechanisms responsible for such an unreal phenomenon, but I think the even crazier question would be: could this unleashed ability to mutate be possibly induced in other plant species, or even all species at large? (no.. not GMO) I apologize, but it reminded of the butter commercial?: “It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature.” Aren’t humans a part of the natural world? (debatable)

At any rate, as to try and summarize the how question, I guess it’s acute observations of sometimes very subtle differences, making careful decisions selecting parent stock, having clear cut goals in mind, exercising of patience when setbacks occur, and in this case, having access to a personal collection of NLD stock. Honestly, I don’t think this is the kind of thing where I could just write a step by step booklet on how to breed up some crazy-ass mutated cannabis, although I have thought about trying to go back to the original stock, do it all again, just to see if I could achieve similar results with entirely different phenotypes. Seriously, it is a fairly complex story, and nearly impossible to condense. (Maybe just the right gene and pheno combination at the right time).The whole project was conducted at the 4000ft elevation where we get an extremely intense UV exposure, and no shade. This may have contributed in some way to the initial mutations, but I’m somewhat doubtful, this resulted from gene combination and selection.

Nevertheless, although I am now outcrossing it in a few different directions to determine dominance, and so far have kept Freakshow in a few separate but pure, parallel lines (IBL), now at F-5 and F-6, with all ancestral stock retained in the library allowing all levels of backcrossing at any time. These separate lines are to maintain diversity, avoid bottlenecking the strain, and to make crosses to maintain vigor while keeping it pure at the same time. Speaking of pure, some pure luck may have been involved as well, because as a seasoned manipulator of cannabis genetics, I know (as we all do) that the wrong parent choice anywhere along the line would have had a very different result, potentially making the project take much longer to accomplish.

I’ll admit to some luck and take credit for some experience. As far as the actual lineage goes, that could only be determined later with DNA sequencing. Even then it could only be as accurate as the building blocks of the databank used. I kinda see it as pointless, as stated above, any given cultivar today could easily contain heritage from 50 or more different ancestral origins.

Well, a short version of a long story…. hope it suffices for now. And I’d like to add a few comments about the history of cannabis breeding (recent and distant past) and the possible hypothetical future scenarios that we may be confronted with concerning the collective cannabis genome. I’ll be making these comments at a later time, but it should be remembered, at all times, that we, the people, are in charge of the future of this genome (that we should hold so very special) and that we and we alone will choose what directions it will take in its human-forced evolutionary pathway. Freakshow cannabis, to me, is overwhelmingly sufficient evidence of the amazing level of phenotypic plasticity, both genetic and epigenetic, that the species possesses. More later. ” Peace n Love to All…..Jordan…..aka…..Shapeshifter

Frequently Asked Questions


Q. How did you create/breed Freakshow?
A. Methodical selection, line breeding, and culling is the short answer. Read our About page for more details.

Q. Is it an indoor or outdoor type?
A. Everything I’ve ever worked has been outdoor, including of course Freakshow. It has been our experience that outdoor (or sungrown, as it’s recently being referred to) cultivars seem to perform extremely well under artificial conditions. This is true of seedstarts or clones made from seedstarts. The opposite is not always true; indoor clones often give an outdoor grower headaches because they don’t always make the transition smoothly. This is due to light spectrum, temperature, and/or photoperiod changes. Yes, Freakshow will do exceedingly well indoors, and will thrive and mature just fine in a wide variety of natural environments as well, so it’s definitely both and I think might even prove to be more resilient to those sorts of transitions.

Q. What are the potency and terpenoid levels?
A. Average 18-20% THCa,THC; negligible CBD,CBN with terps variable, averaging 2.5-3.5,primarily limonene and pinene, but this is variable, there was a lot of diversity in terp combinations and compositions in all the prior generations, it’s just something that was left “as is” for now. The different parallel lines that we are developing can be directed in a few different pathways flavorwise.

Q. Why are the seeds white?
A. Why is the sky blue? No, the mature seeds are shrouded by a rice paper thin membrane which has the coloring and mottling on it, but it’s so fragile that it disintegrates in the process of shucking. Stripped of the outer layer the seeds are very pale, nearly white. It came as no surprise that this plant would have abnormal seeds.

Q. Is it a GMO?
A. Wow…? Well, it’s seriously “modified” and the modifications are definitely genetic, and it is an organism. (Genuinely Modified Organically!) Uh, no. No radiation, no recombinant DNA, no gene splicing or editing, no TALEN or CRISPR! These biotechnologies don’t belong in the food and medicine plant industries. Sadly, in the near future it will become commonplace and widespread in cannabis and other medicinal plants as it is already is with food crops and ornamentals. I’ll avoid discussion on this topic for now, but we hope some people enjoy consuming Frankenbud!

Q. What’s the floral period length?
A. 8-9 wks, finishes early Oct. at most latitudes and elevations.

Q. Is it a big producer?
A. Freakshow will produce nice, fat, dense colas (see gallery) with remarkable trichome coverage,and you can expect yields according to your veg. time, root space, and general knowledge and expertise as a gardener. The same set of variables apply to expected outcomes regarding cannabinoid levels and terpene profiles.

Q.What is the lineage?
A. (Bigbud x Skunk#1) x (Big Sur Holy Weed x Banana Kush). NLD(“sativa”) dominant, but the afghanica influence is clearly apparent. I’m pretty sure that Freakshow contains some Trainwreck and some Maui Wowie based on some research I did on the origins of the Pineapple Express. Interestingly Big Sur Holyweed, OG Kush, Banana, Trainwreck, and Maui Wowie are all of unclear origins. We have to remember that these are all just names and that they don’t really mean much. The exact heritage of any cultivar today is impossible to determine accurately. Also, considering the amount of continuous shameless hybridization that has occured in the last 40 yrs., any modern kind could easily contain over 40 kinds. In the case of Freakshow, it’s much more limited because the ancestry is largely older “Sativas” that didn’t go through as much outcrossing. In the 70’s in Santa Cruz, Haze was a favorite among surfers for the pure energy and I still have (greatly improved) stock of it around, simply because even when I made hybrids with it I always kept the original in pure form for obviuos reasons.

Q.Why is Freakshow patented?
A. Although I and most others (including all the folks at HSC) believe in and subscribe to the concept of “open sourcing” because sharing in cannabis genetics was always the cultural norm, it was decided that Freakshow should be protected (1) because it is a novel and unique, not a preexisting strain (or even subspecies), (2) To keep the greedy corporate big boys from exploiting it, (3) To maintain control of the genetic refinement of it in all future generations. We really can’t wait to share it with the entire collective world of cannabis enthusiasts, and invite experimental breeding for personal use and curiosity.

Q. What is the psychoactive effect like?
A. Like the flavors, many people have commented that the “buzz” is somewhat different than other mainstream types out there. It’s not entirely out of the scope of imagination that given that this strain has new alleles in so many other respects, that it could also contain new, unique cannabinoids, as well as new and unique terpenoids, some of which may not even be among the standard 16 or so that the average lab is testing for. Aside from the up, cerebral, energetic boost, some report a mild time/space warp effect. Creativity and idea induction should be mentioned, for sure. Freakshow has the pure energy effect and greatly alters perception to the positive side, so definitly destroys depression. Appetite suppression is a side effect, but enjoyment of food is enhanced. I personally will attest to all of the above. We all have different receptor profiles, so these are just generalizations. Couch unlock.

Q. Is it pest and mildew
resistant?

A. Indeed it is. On many occasions in the last few years, it has been observed that when pest and mildew issues were affecting other plants adjacent to in the vicinity of Freakshow plants, for unknown reasons the freaks remained entirely unaffected. This includes botritis, PM, various mites and insects, soil fungus, etc. We really havn’t heard any complaints along those lines so far, so if anyone has any problems, especially with a rigorous IPM regimen in place, we would like to hear about it. And if anyone can attest to the extreme level of resistance it seems to have we’d love to hear about that as well.

Q. Does it contain web-leaf genetics? A. I thought I better clarify this because there’s a few people thinking that because of an article “Growing Marijuana that Doesn’t look like Marijuana” that mentions that I had worked web-leaf types years ago and had eventually turned that into Freakshow. This is incorrect and I’m needing to get ahold of the writer to have him change it. When I read the piece and saw the mistake I figured it didn’t matter that much, that the actual method of breeding could just remain a “trade secret”. Recently, I noticed online that a posting, “Freakshow only exist because of duckfoot” by Curious Cannabis Connoisseur, where he explains how I developed Freakshow using Duckfoot. Let me explain, about 20 yrs. ago a freind gave me a jar of seeds labled “BC Bigbud” and I sprouted flats of hundreds to look for oddities and had found one web-leaf pheno which we named Webster. It was a female so I bred it to a normal leaf male and began selecting and stabilizing a line of Webster. About 5 or 6 generations later I had nailed it to 100% webs, and had also stabilized it for a deep purple color and a nice “gingerbread” terp profile. I was busy working other lines at that point so I put Webster in the library. Also I was having a hell of a time getting a pheno of it that flowered to my satisfaction. (it seemed to finish with a limited number of calyxes). I knew I would have to outcross it to something with big tasty bud and restabilize it for web-leaf, and I no longer had the original BC Bigbud. I still have the Webster seeds, and trust me the thought has crossed my mind to make the cross wih Freakshow, but why? Why mess around crossing things just to create something even weirder? I have heard that the “Duckfoot” also doesn’t bud up well so maybe there’s a correlation there. Anyway, people can do what they want to and I will too, but crossing Freakshow with some low THC crap like ABC is in my opinion idiotic. I worked extremely hard stabilizing and perfecting a beautiful new subspecies and I believe it should be kept pure. I won’t go on a rant here about the rampant crossing and the lack of line-breeding in the cannabis world in the last several decades, or where this will eventually lead us, but I will say that it’s not in agood direction. Bottom line….Freakshow has no web-leaf genes, it was made using top grade tropical narrow leaf drug (NLD) cultivars.

il link di tutta la storia è questo:

Freakshow Cannabis

THE ONE AND ONLY, ORIGINAL, AMAZING, NEVER SEEN BEFORE, MUTANT OF THE PLANT WORLD, FREAKSHOW STRAIN

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i semi li trovi in mezza europa anche in italia,anche se io per risparmiare li ho presi regolari da Canada,li trovi sia regolari che femminizzati,non son duri da far germinare,sono strani come la pianta,sono piccolissimi e bianchi sembrano immaturi,quelli duri da far germinare sono quelli dell'australian bastard cannabis,però non durissimi.
trovi anche la SUPAFREAK che è una selezione della Freakshow.

Mentre l'ABC è:

Australian Bastard Cannabis is an Aussie strain, originating from Australia. It is also known as ABC and Bindi Buds. Some experts theorize that this variety from the 70's is an evolution of Australian landrace plants hybridised with strains introduced in Australia at that time, although its origin is still unknown

IN PAROLE POVERE:
LA FREAKSHOW È FRUTTO DI SELEZIONI L'AUSTRALIAN BASTARD CANNABIS È UNA LANDRACE.

Questi sono i link del mio coltivo della Freakshow dell'anno scorso:

It's Freakshow Time

The Stoned Cherries Production present 4 FreakShow F2 Regular from Canada Si tratta di un out fatto in un giardinetto nascosto,la mia intenzione era di farne solo 3 ma ne avevo messe a germinare 4 perchè una era di scorta e la "sfiga" ha voluto farle nascere tutte e 4 :D Stò usando il...

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e dell'australian bastard cannabis che stò facendo adesso:

TANO🍒

come potrai vedere l'ABC batte la Freakshow in fattore Stealth

 

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La Freakshow non c'entra nulla con l'australian bastard cannabis ABC.

questa è la storia della Freakshow :

About​

This page is all about the creation of Freakshow in Shapeshifter’s words, for short answers please refer to our FAQ page.
“The creation story of Freakshow Cannabis is a rather complicated one, so I’ll try to condense and simplify it as much as possible here. People often ask, “How did you do it?” and I can only reply, “You got a couple of hours?” It’s hard to say where to begin on it because the story on it might begin in 1958 when I was born. I was born a person who has always had a profound interest in things that are rare and different. Things that are unusual, odd, weird, strange, abnormal,(even people), or mutated have been something I’ve always been intrigued by. Conversely, things that are common, ordinary, normal, or standard I have always found to be boring and uninteresting, I guess I’m a little freaky in these respects. The same holds true for anything popular, fashionable or mainstream (some aspects of recent cannabis culture, sorry, just kidding!)
Anyway, in the ’70s everyone had access to large amounts of cannabis seeds out of imported brick weed. Some Mexican of course, some Colombian, and some others of unknown origin. Flats of hundreds were sprouted, and just because it was interesting and people suspected that there might be correlations between a kind of evolutionarily advanced phenotype and other desirable characteristics,(such as potency and taste) anything unusual was selected. Knowing that they’re all different, total screening would be routine. Back in those days, there were a lot of phenotypes that were out of the ordinary. These were all NLD (Narrow Leaf Drug) types because that’s all we had at the time. Later when we grew out some kinds from Thailand,(Thaistick was sinsemilla, but had an occasional seed) it became clear how entirely different each kind was from another, and by sifting through so many, how much phenotypic variation there was between individual plants. And not just their appearance, but the aromas, the effects, and the chemistry (and not just between strains, but individual plants as well). Nothing had any names and most of these batches were randomly, thoroughly mixed up collections, though some were kept separate, graded, and itemized. (but only as good, killer and not so good, but back then some damn fine genetics could be had in the Mex. schwag).
So I guess it could be said that searching for unusual phenotypes in cannabis has always been a hobby of mine. Along the way, many oddities were found and bred, including dwarf types, web-leaf, extreme narrow leaf, fasciation, high leaflet counts (up to 21), higher than normal serration counts, double serrate, double leaf, variegated, buds on petioles, etc. Nobody else really had any interest in this stuff. People were mostly interested in something that was high production in those days. As “Indica” or BLD(Broad Leaf Drug) came into the mainstream and BLD and BLD dominant hybrids became hugely popular, NLDs fell to the wayside. Maybe because they were becoming unpopular, and were getting to be scarce and harder to come by, almost to the point of extinction, I continued to work with “Sativas” and of course still do to this day. I feel good that I have preserved, refined, and archived a lot of these cultivars as they fell out of popularity because they’ve become a lot rarer and hard to find these days, and more and more people are finally discovering the value of them.
It is partly because of the life-long focus on working “Sativa” genetics that Freakshow ended up being developed. Afghanica types don’t have the variation from the norm, this I know because many BLD (Broad Leaf Drug) batches were screened through also. This may be because they originate from the same basic geographical region (Hindu Kush range), or that they’re from a much higher latitude. NLDs were developed under a much wider range of various tropical, sub-tropical, equatorial and temperate zones, pretty much worldwide, thus forcing them to adapt to a much wider range of environmental conditions and as a result more variation.
Oftentimes people would choose the biggest plant, or biggest budder, as the yield was often the greatest concern. Truly, quality suffers when profit is the primary consideration. And demand dwarfed supply, so there wasn’t much incentive to improve upon existing genetics. ( but not true everywhere, some folks were religiously keeping their favorite line pure in those days, too.)
Back then males were often chosen arbitrarily, based mostly on the same criteria, (large) or maybe even more often seeds came as the result of an accident. (A small male missed or males pulled a little late or some herm action that went unnoticed). The only way I could see back in those days to increase the odds of preserving the desirable, favorable genetics was to breed groups of females, using a selected male, choose from finished seeded individuals and cull (discard) the rest. Later (much later) when asexual propagation came into play (cloning) it really streamlined things because now we could retain the exact genetics for future breedings, backcrossing, etc. These “holdbacks” would be kept around for years until they were no longer needed. Lab testing eventually became an instrumental tool as well, but personal, hands-on analysis (burn a doob) always was and still is very reliable, in my opinion. Marker-assisted selection may become a common protocol in the future, thus eliminating a lot of the guesswork. (toketest is worthy) Whoa… way off subject…
So this is how this all got started so many decades ago. Since screening through many, many seedlings were routine, anomalies would appear quite often. As time went by and Afghanica and hybrids began to dominate the collective California genome, and as the overall cannabis genome evolved, it seems fewer weirdos were appearing. Noticing that these strange mutant genes (and NLD’s) were becoming a rarity, I started to take a new interest in them.
The breeding methodology could be described as line/ inbreeding coupled with methodical selection techniques with initial primary selection criteria to be simply the most unusual leaf morphology and of course selecting from the unusual leaf morph phenos for the most desirable variation, and also for other desirable traits along the way. This extra selection screening is done at all stages of the way including analysis of mature, dry inflorescences. There was a backcross at the f-4 gen. to the original Pineapple Express parental line. The backcross parent was a fem. with nearly normal leaves except slightly deeper than normal serrations. This backcross was made to improve and stabilize other worthy traits that were prominent on that side. (terpene profile, bud structure and density, etc) I went back and read the provisional patent and can see that I left off at the f-3 generation, at which point I handed it over to Nat. They (Nat and Ben of HSC) took it to f-4, and are now working on an f-5, and will now be breeding and selecting on the f-6 and 7 Supafreaks (aka Fruityfreak) These last two generations were dedicated to selecting for a new lacier leaf morphology and a wider variety of fruit tones (there is some berry, pineapple, and sort of mixed fruit types appearing now along with the lime/ pine phenos that it was expressing previously) and sesquiterpenes (lingering fume). We will both be taking it to f-7 and 8 and producing feminized now that it is locked in to our satisfaction. We recently had had an informal sampling get together and there was no unanimous winner, instead, they were all generally approved of but everyone had a personal favorite. Guess it’s all about personal interpretation. Original Freakshow at f-4 was and still is homozygous and true-breeding as many seeds have been sprouted and grown and to my knowledge there hasn’t been any that are not expressing the FStp.-2 leaf morphology (Nat can attest to this I’m pretty sure) and also it is now proving to be fairly homozygous for several other desirable traits that had been selected for during the process of stabilizing the desired, chosen leaf configuration. (and this can be corroborated by all the posts online nowadays) I would attest this homozygosity to several factors: 1.) 3 of 4 of the original parental lines are of a nearly pure “Sativa” (NLD) heritage that very likely share a high percentage of common genetics, because, among many other reasons including that they were unpopular, they had been kept as pure “Sativa”, kept within their own subspecies, all those years, while so much of the rest of the cannabis genome had been hybridized, and thus, destabilized. 2.) The parental lines were all expressing many common traits even before the f-1 cross was made. 3.) A very narrow margin of selection criteria was adhered to during the whole process. 4.) The environmental conditions (elevation, lattitude, exposure, soil, nutrients, Ph, water, etc.) being exactly the same for all generations of the breeding project inducing epigenetic shifts, increasing the level of homogeneity 5.) The breeder’s long history of striving to gain an understanding of the dynamics of genetic mechanisms and how to apply that knowledge to the goal of preserving, improving, refining, stabilizing, and archiving rare cannabis genetics.(no brag…just fact…hahaha…no, he’s not egotistical at all) It should be noted that I have done a hell of a lot of breeding of FS that isn’t being mentioned here, there’s really no reason to lay it all out. but yeah, there are several separate lines, backcrosses, special terpene profile selections, on and on. It all falls under the patented strain, and to keep working it and improving it is just what I do. It would take volumes to elaborate, so I won’t! So, here goes….The initial f-1 cross was made between a female Pineapple Express and a male Holy Chiquita aka Holy Banana. The PE was selected out of a generation of PE that I had done, which was out of an IBL of PE.( except for having sourced some PE genetics from G-13 Labs, the origins of it are unknown) The line sourced from G-13 Labs is no longer available. PE’s only known lineage is supposedly Trainwreck (unknown lineage) and Maui Wowi (also unknown lineage). Other sources of information have it as BC Bigbud x Skunk #1 (Phylos) but I had sourced “Pineapple Express” from all over and had done some crossing and selecting of the various cultivars so it’s a bit blurry now. (how much does it really matter) It would appear that a popular name can get adopted, it happens all the time. Anyway, after a thorough and diligent search very little can be found out about the heritage of this strain, except that it consists of nearly pure “Sativa” (NLD) genetics and I think it can be assumed that G-13 Labs had line-bred and selected this cultivar for some generations because they had it available for many years, it appeared to be very stable, and it proved to breed true fairly consistently.(homozygous) The staminate Holy Chiquita was bred originally by Coastal Seed Co. in Santa Cruz, and having researched it, apparently is no longer available. Thorough research of the heritage on it reveals that they created it by crossing Big Sur Holy Weed (again, just a name) x Banana Kush, and that the actual lineage of BSHW is unknown, and that BK was derived down from a cross between OG Kush and Banana both of which appear to be of unknown genetic lineage. The pollen donor was a selection from the f-2 generation.(assuming they were releasing f’1’s, which is unknown, it may have been an IBL because the f-2 had very little variability) The selected male expressed slightly narrower leaflets, red stems and higher leaflet and serration counts than the other candidates, and also a much more desirable (sweet, fruity) terpene profile. Another trait selected for was trichome density which is observed in the early stages with a handheld 40x scope and can be seen clearly with the naked eye toward maturation and dehiscence. (yes, males sometimes have trichomes that rival some females!) It was observed in the f-2 generation that this cross was very stable in overall phenotypic expression except for the appearance of the new leaf morphology (type 1 “gatortooth) As far as the public availability of FS-tp2, it’s widely available…..Even though it is homozygous for leaf structure and many other traits, it’s still a work in progress and will be channeled in whatever directions I decide to take it in. It would be a lot simpler if FS was just a new stabilized mutation, but it’s a lot cooler that it’s a changeling, a shapeshifter, a continuously evolving and mutating abnormality of the plant world the likes of which has never been seen before.

My breeding goals primarily have always been (in this order) terpene profile, especially sesquiterpenes which involve taste and fume and monoterpenes (aroma), trichome density, THC levels, calyx/leaf ratio, bud structure, calyx size, shorter or earlier flowering periods, pest/mildew resistance, among many other less important selection criteria. A lot of folks consider bud density (tightness) an important factor but there is such a thing as too tight which can make them botrytis susceptible. (tradeoff?) Iv’e created and trashed quite a few. You might say that just keeping a type ‘as is’ without trying to improve it by outcrossing it, rather just selecting from the same line was oftentimes the goal. (stabilization).

Possibly as a result of having selected for the typical NLD phenotypic expression for so many generations, some anomalies seemed to start to appear again. For whatever reasons I had decided to just work the strangest ones to just see what would result, to find out what could be accomplished, if there were any limitations and to see if there were any correlations with these anomalies and other traits expressed (this was about 4 or 5 years back). I really didn’t have any goal of trying to create freaks until I saw the “gatortooth pheno in the f-2 gen of the Holy Express. I was working that line because it was awesome. It seriously had it all.

Like stated above, the initial phenos that started expressing freakiness were out of a cross that I was stabilizing for a certain flavor, terpene profile,(limonene, pinene) which had phenotypes exhibiting super deep “gator tooth” serrations. Another pheno out of this same line had extra leaflets, which isn’t so rare, but this one was, as it had a crazy amount of extras.(17-21 total) The following generation was
an IBL cross of the above described two anomalous phenos, and some selections were made that exhibited both anomalies, and this was narrowed down even further based on other considerations. (breeding for more than one trait simultaneously, not always wise, but it worked out nicely, terpwise!) At this point, we had created freakshow type 1, which has been subsequently stabilized in a separate line but is still being perfected and stabilized. Freakshow type one is just as cool as type 2 as far as I’m concerned but we released type 1 first because it’s such a showstopper. Type 1 is coming out soon, though.

The following generation is where the magic began. Flats of hundreds were sprouted again and screened for freaks. This is when the name Freakshow came into being, some of them couldn’t be described any other way. At this time, I had my son (@cannabis_potentcy_research on Instagram) post some pictures of them online to see if anyone else worldwide had anything similar. No one had anything similar at all, but the whole idea of breeding for freakiness had become seemingly a new thing. It was interesting that there were a lot of various atypical leaf morphologies out there, but nothing even remotely resembling these freaks.

So, I continued to select and breed the freaks for a couple more generations. Originally there was Freakshow which was wildly out of the taxonomic norm, but then an even weirder (way, way weirder) phenotype appeared. This was one was called type 2 and the other freak was named Freakshow type 1. (type 1 is a total departure from the norm also and pics will be added to the gallery) The first type 2 was the only one out of the batch of 300 or so. Sorry for the redundancy, I’m not a writer, but I guess you could say that type 1 led to the discovery of type 2. Subsequent screening and breeding has brought us to the point where this super rare gene group is now very much dominant and can actually be called a “true-breeding strain”, which, needless to say, took a little time and effort! (Time and effort that should be put in on remaining decent existing cultivars, before we cross-breed them into oblivion. A legit F-1 can only result from a stabilized line bred selected parent stock, something which we’re in dire shortage of. More later, sorry to preach, I’m guilty too!)

Also, she seems fairly homozygous in the way of tasty terp profile, albeit diverse at this point, but not so much along the lines of say, growth rate, but that can be selected for in future generations. I believe that this strain will always express diversity because that’s one of the most inherent properies of this plant. Anyone thats ever grown it can tell you that there are subtle differences between each plant and even each leaf. We intend to continue selection and stabilization on this familial line indefinitely. A dwarf mutation was found lately and is being propagated,(why not) it’s 8 months old and is in a 6″ bonsai pot, and is no more than 8″ tall! Picss will be posted soon. I have no doubt whatsoever that the potential of what can be accomplished with mindful line-breeding strategies is unlimited, And it will be fun and interesting to watch it unfold.

When I saw my first ever seedling of Freakshow type 2, I had a feeling I was looking at something no one in the world (today) had ever seen before, (which turned out to be right) it truly was a strange sort of enlightenment, even interdimensional, just knowing how many individuals (tens of thousands) that were looked for such a long span of time, and yet I’m looking at something totally new, a morphology brand new to the planet! (The ability of some of these “freakiest of the freaks” to freely continue to redesign themselves is also…seemingly endless!) And awe-inspiring to put it casually.

The time and dedication that I’ve put in on this little pet project, has been well worth it, if only for the learning experience of watching real-time evolution in action. (albeit via artificial selection, but think about it, how much other “evolution” evolved this way? We humans have been around doing this sort of stuff for an extremely long time, look at canines and corn, for instance!) And of course, cannabis, man’s other best friend, safe to say humans had a hand in the creation of this plant as we know it today, and will continue to. This latest project only leads to more questions, more study, and more learning. I’m thankful for my experience with cannabis, and all other genetic studies because it gives us a very spiritual sense of awe, amazement of the workings of DNA, of natural biological mechanisms, which in an almost magical, spiritual way seems to possess an infinite capability to improvise, adapt, and overcome, according to environmental pressures and conditions (epigenesis). I eventually had to shift my personal opinion of this to a genetic/environment influence ratio of at least maybe 60/40. Anyhow, as is true of all the scientific disciplines, the more we learn, the more we realize how much there is to be learned, and how limited our current understanding of things is.

Considering my long, (life long) experience of striving to gain an understanding of the workings of genetics and their interaction with the environment (epigenetics) I feel I’ve only scratched the surface because it truly does lead to more questions than answers. This is good. I figure people with that kind of scientific curiosity should enjoy learning, but at the same time have a healthy respect and reverence for that part of the natural world that is magical and may never be fully explained in any scientific terms, or ever fully understood by humans.

i like the saying, “Just because something cannot be explained, doesn’t mean it can’t be true.” This is kinda where Freakshow cannabis falls in, because I myself as the breeder/creator of it, am truly at a loss as to how to fully explain it. Although I have hypothetical hunches (suppression of the regulatory function of the KNOX1 and FLO/LFY genes, for one, but possibly just a wild guess) I know there are scientific methods unending to cause mutation, but this is simply an approach that Darwin wrote about in 1868, that he called “methodical selection”. It’s that simple. And natural. No chem, serious hippy! I don’t think it matters that much, what really matters is there will always be things that remain mysterious. Sure, it would be cool to have a complete explanation as to the biological mechanisms responsible for such an unreal phenomenon, but I think the even crazier question would be: could this unleashed ability to mutate be possibly induced in other plant species, or even all species at large? (no.. not GMO) I apologize, but it reminded of the butter commercial?: “It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature.” Aren’t humans a part of the natural world? (debatable)

At any rate, as to try and summarize the how question, I guess it’s acute observations of sometimes very subtle differences, making careful decisions selecting parent stock, having clear cut goals in mind, exercising of patience when setbacks occur, and in this case, having access to a personal collection of NLD stock. Honestly, I don’t think this is the kind of thing where I could just write a step by step booklet on how to breed up some crazy-ass mutated cannabis, although I have thought about trying to go back to the original stock, do it all again, just to see if I could achieve similar results with entirely different phenotypes. Seriously, it is a fairly complex story, and nearly impossible to condense. (Maybe just the right gene and pheno combination at the right time).The whole project was conducted at the 4000ft elevation where we get an extremely intense UV exposure, and no shade. This may have contributed in some way to the initial mutations, but I’m somewhat doubtful, this resulted from gene combination and selection.

Nevertheless, although I am now outcrossing it in a few different directions to determine dominance, and so far have kept Freakshow in a few separate but pure, parallel lines (IBL), now at F-5 and F-6, with all ancestral stock retained in the library allowing all levels of backcrossing at any time. These separate lines are to maintain diversity, avoid bottlenecking the strain, and to make crosses to maintain vigor while keeping it pure at the same time. Speaking of pure, some pure luck may have been involved as well, because as a seasoned manipulator of cannabis genetics, I know (as we all do) that the wrong parent choice anywhere along the line would have had a very different result, potentially making the project take much longer to accomplish.

I’ll admit to some luck and take credit for some experience. As far as the actual lineage goes, that could only be determined later with DNA sequencing. Even then it could only be as accurate as the building blocks of the databank used. I kinda see it as pointless, as stated above, any given cultivar today could easily contain heritage from 50 or more different ancestral origins.

Well, a short version of a long story…. hope it suffices for now. And I’d like to add a few comments about the history of cannabis breeding (recent and distant past) and the possible hypothetical future scenarios that we may be confronted with concerning the collective cannabis genome. I’ll be making these comments at a later time, but it should be remembered, at all times, that we, the people, are in charge of the future of this genome (that we should hold so very special) and that we and we alone will choose what directions it will take in its human-forced evolutionary pathway. Freakshow cannabis, to me, is overwhelmingly sufficient evidence of the amazing level of phenotypic plasticity, both genetic and epigenetic, that the species possesses. More later. ” Peace n Love to All…..Jordan…..aka…..Shapeshifter

Frequently Asked Questions


Q. How did you create/breed Freakshow?
A. Methodical selection, line breeding, and culling is the short answer. Read our About page for more details.

Q. Is it an indoor or outdoor type?
A. Everything I’ve ever worked has been outdoor, including of course Freakshow. It has been our experience that outdoor (or sungrown, as it’s recently being referred to) cultivars seem to perform extremely well under artificial conditions. This is true of seedstarts or clones made from seedstarts. The opposite is not always true; indoor clones often give an outdoor grower headaches because they don’t always make the transition smoothly. This is due to light spectrum, temperature, and/or photoperiod changes. Yes, Freakshow will do exceedingly well indoors, and will thrive and mature just fine in a wide variety of natural environments as well, so it’s definitely both and I think might even prove to be more resilient to those sorts of transitions.

Q. What are the potency and terpenoid levels?
A. Average 18-20% THCa,THC; negligible CBD,CBN with terps variable, averaging 2.5-3.5,primarily limonene and pinene, but this is variable, there was a lot of diversity in terp combinations and compositions in all the prior generations, it’s just something that was left “as is” for now. The different parallel lines that we are developing can be directed in a few different pathways flavorwise.

Q. Why are the seeds white?
A. Why is the sky blue? No, the mature seeds are shrouded by a rice paper thin membrane which has the coloring and mottling on it, but it’s so fragile that it disintegrates in the process of shucking. Stripped of the outer layer the seeds are very pale, nearly white. It came as no surprise that this plant would have abnormal seeds.

Q. Is it a GMO?
A. Wow…? Well, it’s seriously “modified” and the modifications are definitely genetic, and it is an organism. (Genuinely Modified Organically!) Uh, no. No radiation, no recombinant DNA, no gene splicing or editing, no TALEN or CRISPR! These biotechnologies don’t belong in the food and medicine plant industries. Sadly, in the near future it will become commonplace and widespread in cannabis and other medicinal plants as it is already is with food crops and ornamentals. I’ll avoid discussion on this topic for now, but we hope some people enjoy consuming Frankenbud!

Q. What’s the floral period length?
A. 8-9 wks, finishes early Oct. at most latitudes and elevations.

Q. Is it a big producer?
A. Freakshow will produce nice, fat, dense colas (see gallery) with remarkable trichome coverage,and you can expect yields according to your veg. time, root space, and general knowledge and expertise as a gardener. The same set of variables apply to expected outcomes regarding cannabinoid levels and terpene profiles.

Q.What is the lineage?
A. (Bigbud x Skunk#1) x (Big Sur Holy Weed x Banana Kush). NLD(“sativa”) dominant, but the afghanica influence is clearly apparent. I’m pretty sure that Freakshow contains some Trainwreck and some Maui Wowie based on some research I did on the origins of the Pineapple Express. Interestingly Big Sur Holyweed, OG Kush, Banana, Trainwreck, and Maui Wowie are all of unclear origins. We have to remember that these are all just names and that they don’t really mean much. The exact heritage of any cultivar today is impossible to determine accurately. Also, considering the amount of continuous shameless hybridization that has occured in the last 40 yrs., any modern kind could easily contain over 40 kinds. In the case of Freakshow, it’s much more limited because the ancestry is largely older “Sativas” that didn’t go through as much outcrossing. In the 70’s in Santa Cruz, Haze was a favorite among surfers for the pure energy and I still have (greatly improved) stock of it around, simply because even when I made hybrids with it I always kept the original in pure form for obviuos reasons.

Q.Why is Freakshow patented?
A. Although I and most others (including all the folks at HSC) believe in and subscribe to the concept of “open sourcing” because sharing in cannabis genetics was always the cultural norm, it was decided that Freakshow should be protected (1) because it is a novel and unique, not a preexisting strain (or even subspecies), (2) To keep the greedy corporate big boys from exploiting it, (3) To maintain control of the genetic refinement of it in all future generations. We really can’t wait to share it with the entire collective world of cannabis enthusiasts, and invite experimental breeding for personal use and curiosity.

Q. What is the psychoactive effect like?
A. Like the flavors, many people have commented that the “buzz” is somewhat different than other mainstream types out there. It’s not entirely out of the scope of imagination that given that this strain has new alleles in so many other respects, that it could also contain new, unique cannabinoids, as well as new and unique terpenoids, some of which may not even be among the standard 16 or so that the average lab is testing for. Aside from the up, cerebral, energetic boost, some report a mild time/space warp effect. Creativity and idea induction should be mentioned, for sure. Freakshow has the pure energy effect and greatly alters perception to the positive side, so definitly destroys depression. Appetite suppression is a side effect, but enjoyment of food is enhanced. I personally will attest to all of the above. We all have different receptor profiles, so these are just generalizations. Couch unlock.

Q. Is it pest and mildew
resistant?

A. Indeed it is. On many occasions in the last few years, it has been observed that when pest and mildew issues were affecting other plants adjacent to in the vicinity of Freakshow plants, for unknown reasons the freaks remained entirely unaffected. This includes botritis, PM, various mites and insects, soil fungus, etc. We really havn’t heard any complaints along those lines so far, so if anyone has any problems, especially with a rigorous IPM regimen in place, we would like to hear about it. And if anyone can attest to the extreme level of resistance it seems to have we’d love to hear about that as well.

Q. Does it contain web-leaf genetics? A. I thought I better clarify this because there’s a few people thinking that because of an article “Growing Marijuana that Doesn’t look like Marijuana” that mentions that I had worked web-leaf types years ago and had eventually turned that into Freakshow. This is incorrect and I’m needing to get ahold of the writer to have him change it. When I read the piece and saw the mistake I figured it didn’t matter that much, that the actual method of breeding could just remain a “trade secret”. Recently, I noticed online that a posting, “Freakshow only exist because of duckfoot” by Curious Cannabis Connoisseur, where he explains how I developed Freakshow using Duckfoot. Let me explain, about 20 yrs. ago a freind gave me a jar of seeds labled “BC Bigbud” and I sprouted flats of hundreds to look for oddities and had found one web-leaf pheno which we named Webster. It was a female so I bred it to a normal leaf male and began selecting and stabilizing a line of Webster. About 5 or 6 generations later I had nailed it to 100% webs, and had also stabilized it for a deep purple color and a nice “gingerbread” terp profile. I was busy working other lines at that point so I put Webster in the library. Also I was having a hell of a time getting a pheno of it that flowered to my satisfaction. (it seemed to finish with a limited number of calyxes). I knew I would have to outcross it to something with big tasty bud and restabilize it for web-leaf, and I no longer had the original BC Bigbud. I still have the Webster seeds, and trust me the thought has crossed my mind to make the cross wih Freakshow, but why? Why mess around crossing things just to create something even weirder? I have heard that the “Duckfoot” also doesn’t bud up well so maybe there’s a correlation there. Anyway, people can do what they want to and I will too, but crossing Freakshow with some low THC crap like ABC is in my opinion idiotic. I worked extremely hard stabilizing and perfecting a beautiful new subspecies and I believe it should be kept pure. I won’t go on a rant here about the rampant crossing and the lack of line-breeding in the cannabis world in the last several decades, or where this will eventually lead us, but I will say that it’s not in agood direction. Bottom line….Freakshow has no web-leaf genes, it was made using top grade tropical narrow leaf drug (NLD) cultivars.

il link di tutta la storia è questo:

Freakshow Cannabis

THE ONE AND ONLY, ORIGINAL, AMAZING, NEVER SEEN BEFORE, MUTANT OF THE PLANT WORLD, FREAKSHOW STRAIN

freakshowcannabis.com

i semi li trovi in mezza europa anche in italia,anche se io per risparmiare li ho presi regolari da Canada,li trovi sia regolari che femminizzati,non son duri da far germinare,sono strani come la pianta,sono piccolissimi e bianchi sembrano immaturi,quelli duri da far germinare sono quelli dell'australian bastard cannabis,però non durissimi.
trovi anche la SUPAFREAK che è una selezione della Freakshow.

Mentre l'ABC è:

Australian Bastard Cannabis is an Aussie strain, originating from Australia. It is also known as ABC and Bindi Buds. Some experts theorize that this variety from the 70's is an evolution of Australian landrace plants hybridised with strains introduced in Australia at that time, although its origin is still unknown

IN PAROLE POVERE:
LA FREAKSHOW È FRUTTO DI SELEZIONI L'AUSTRALIAN BASTARD CANNABIS È UNA LANDRACE.

Questi sono i link del mio coltivo della Freakshow dell'anno scorso:

It's Freakshow Time

The Stoned Cherries Production present 4 FreakShow F2 Regular from Canada Si tratta di un out fatto in un giardinetto nascosto,la mia intenzione era di farne solo 3 ma ne avevo messe a germinare 4 perchè una era di scorta e la "sfiga" ha voluto farle nascere tutte e 4 :D Stò usando il...

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e dell'australian bastard cannabis che stò facendo adesso:

TANO🍒

come potrai vedere l'ABC batte la Freakshow in fattore Stealth

Hola Tano!
Chiedo umilmente scusa per le castronate scritte in precedenza, ho fatto un po di confusione
Molto interessanti queste info, ho dato una rapida letta, quando stacco da lavoro mi leggo tutto per bene! Grazie mille
Ho fatto un salto anche al thread che mi hai linkato, davvero belle le tue dell anno scorso! Facendo un paragone con le mie, sono un po indietro, fiori ancora abb piccoli, anche tricomi qualcosa in meno... Ma da quello che vedo hai raccolto circa verso il 20 ottobre quindi dai tempo ce ne ancora

Se hai qualche sito (possibilmente europeo) per semi di freak/ABC) da consigliare ti ringrazio

Grazie ancora per essere passato e la correzione!

 

[TANO]

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[IlFattone96]

Ti ringrazio davvero molto Tano avevo dato un occhiata questa primavera in rete, e quei siti che avevo visto io non ne avevano disponibili o altro, solo americani/canadesi.

Ho spulciato un po il tuo 3d, davvero molto molto carucce quelle Drunken Bastard
Ora mi salvo tutto!!