What to Know About California’s Head-Turning Gun Control Law
The state’s legislation is modeled after a Texas abortion law that went into effect last year.
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I'm guessing that you're talking about how California copied the way Texas went about enforcing their new abortion law allowing citizens to earn rewards by reporting any potential violations. Which was an interesting move as enforcing things that way have the affect of making it harder to fight in court. I'm not exactly liking that even though it's a sneaky and effective way to enforce the law. The problem I have with it though is by doing things that way we're training the public to do something for money that given the size of the problem they should be willing to do for free. I just don't see it as a good precedent to be setting. Plus given the activist nature of the current Supreme court I wouldn't be surprised if they saw it as being totally different then what Texas did with it's abortion laws and ruling California's new gun law as unconstitutional.
gun makers are in no better a position to stop the wrong people from getting guns than Jack Daniels is at preventing alcoholism. which is to say, not at all. give it up...
I don't see that happening, the relationship between Gun Manufacturers and politicians has gotten so comfortable over the years that they've taken to rating them and those politicians really like all that money that finds it's way into there pockets. Plus even if it some how end or became dialed back at the Federal level the gun manufacturers would just start doing what they do at the state level. In fact I bet that where manufacturers start grooming who will be their Champion seeing as how many state level politicians desire to one day move up to the major league. I guess will just have to wait and see what happens but I wouldn't hold my breath for it to be anything major.
on CNN today - 80 year old man drops hammer on "assault rifle" carrying criminal hoping to rob his liquor store in California. shotgun beats rifle at CQC...3 other guys with masks & guns were caught still in the stolen getaway car, and the wounded moron is in intensive care from the shotgun blast. store owner suffered a heart attack from stress of having to defend himself... if he or wounded individual die as a result of this, the 3 idiots along for the ride could face murder charges. SURPRISE! 
St. Phatty
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I would just put a TON of water above the checkstand, where the robber is standing.
Then you get your floor cleaned - at the same time !
And if there's a store mascot, they get a free drink !
Win Win Win.
i can see where liquor stores, and others, will eventually stop letting folks inside at all. order by phone from parking lot, pay in advance, and pick up at a bullet-proof windows like many gas stations & tobacco outlets already do here. just a matter of time...
St. Phatty
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Oregon legislature talks a lot, I guess.
Now they're talking about limits on magazines, that turn everybody with a 30 round magazine into a felon ... maybe.
I can see preventing future sales, but when they try & make existing collections illegal - with most of the rural part of the state having high capacity magazines ?
They are really pushing the rural areas to break away from the Eugene-Portland corridor.
Maybe I can sell my magazines to North Korea or something.
Now they're talking about limits on magazines, that turn everybody with a 30 round magazine into a felon ... maybe.
I can see preventing future sales, but when they try & make existing collections illegal - with most of the rural part of the state having high capacity magazines ?
They are really pushing the rural areas to break away from the Eugene-Portland corridor.
Maybe I can sell my magazines to North Korea or something.
still lots of places that 30 rd mags are legal. don't lose money shipping them overseas, lol. Supreme Court might not let making currently legal citizens into felons retroactively slide through... that nonsense is simply window dressing for idiots pushing to "do something, even if it won't help". this certainly qualifies in that regard.
This kind of exemplifies the ignorance that is rife in American Gun Culture and why I say training and education is important. Although in this case the ones requiring the training were the criminals so it's kind of good that they lacked the training and education. Clearly the criminal carrying the assault rifle thought that just because he had an "assault" rifle he had the edge and things would go his way. He learned the hard way that in the hands of the untrained and inexperienced having an assault rifle is meaningless. Yes an assault rifle can be a very valuable tool but only if you know what you're doing and how to properly use it. There is no way an 80 year old with a shotgun should be victorious over and experienced and well trained person with an assault rifle. Of course nobody involved in committing this crime demonstrated any intelligence. The whole point in having additional people with masks and guns is so they can go into the place being robbed and be additional eyes and manpower for pulling off the intended heist. You only need one person in a getaway vehicle. Additionally if you're going to have 4 armed masked criminals maybe your target should be a bit more rewarding then a liquor store? You know like maybe a bank or jewelry store.on CNN today - 80 year old man drops hammer on "assault rifle" carrying criminal hoping to rob his liquor store in California. shotgun beats rifle at CQC...3 other guys with masks & guns were caught still in the stolen getaway car, and the wounded moron is in intensive care from the shotgun blast. store owner suffered a heart attack from stress of having to defend himself... if he or wounded individual die as a result of this, the 3 idiots along for the ride could face murder charges. SURPRISE!
watching the video (it's everywhere!) i got the feeling that this might have been the "gangs" first "heist' LOL! maybe it will be the impetus toward a line of work where 80 year old men might not shoot your ass...
Seems like pointless legislation if you ask me unless maybe the plan is to go knocking on doors and asking citizens if you can make sure they have no illegal gun accessories. I'm pretty sure in all 50 states commission of a crime where a firearm is used is already a felony regardless if the size of the magazine plus since criminals are not known for law abiding behavior I don't see how a law making the use of high capacity magazines a felony is going to stop any gun crimes. Good luck on the door to door searches.
Okay I just saw the video, and clearly these would be criminals were totally inexperienced. The one with the assault rifle got shot from a great enough distance that he should have been able to beat the guy with the shotgun if he knew what he was doing, rather then ending up running away screaming "he shot my arm off, he shot my arm off" then outside the useless idiots in the car almost drove off leaving one of their crew behind because he decided to wait outside of the car but still didn't have the fore sight to enter the store with the guy with the "assault" rifle. Then if all that wasn't bad enough these morons waited outside the hospital in the stolen vehicle used in the crime with a bunch of stolen guns in the vehicle with them while their buddy went into the hospital to be treated for his gun shot wounds. Don't they know when a person presents at a hospital or clinic with gunshot wounds that will automatically involve police showing up to investigate how the gun shot wounds were obtained? Therefore sitting outside in the stolen vehicle used in a recently committed crime with a bunch of stolen guns is not a bright idea. I mean what, did these guys think their buddy was just going to walk in, be treated and walk out a few minutes later? The only thing that could have made this crime more suitable would have been if the getaway car was a stolen "Clown Car".
When the school kids start carrying shotguns, there might be a point to the story.
80 year old owner had cameras watching the parking lot and saw them coming. what gun you are lugging does not matter if the other guy is waiting for you. moron walked into an ambush against a more appropriately armed opponent. shotguns rule in CQC!
LOL! yeah, "asking" will get them told where to put their curiosity. huge numbers of county sheriffs around the country have made it clear that neither they nor their deputies are going to be collecting weapons etc if it comes to that.
If school kids were able to carry shotguns the story would be quite different and not in a good way. It would mean restrictions were lifted on firearms and virtually anyone could have one which would just make the problems we face now many times worse then it already is. There are actually two good points to the story if you saw the video rather then learn about it online here by reading a post. Point one, assault rifles are more and more prevalent to the point that these criminals had them by stealing them from someone else which means that changing the current laws would not prevent this crime. Point two, there is some validity to the concept of a good citizen with a gun. I bet the victim of the store owner (the criminal) will think twice before trying to commit that crime again, if he ever makes it out of prison for his current failed attempt.
Which is why talk of a total gun ban when these debates flair up is just a ridiculous scare tactic. It's never going to happen, that ship sailed a long time ago and to try it now would be impossible to pull off for the reason you pointed out. Plus even if large numbers of sheriffs around the country and their deputies were willing to collect weapons guns are so prevalent that it would take decades to pull off and would be a logistical nightmare that would require violations of several constitutional rights other then just the 2nd Amendment, to even have a remote chance at succeeding.
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