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[HempKat]

new question;

can climate change be solved/dealt with under existing capitalism?

my answer would be a firm no. and my justification for that position would be for me to tell you to simply look at the past 40yrs lol. i can expand on this when it isn't 2am lol.


for all the Q's and righties who think climate change is a hoax or doesn't exist, this question isn't for you lol. i don't care how much you copy/paste into here about climate change hoaxes, i'm not going to respond to that bullshit.

It can when they find new ways to deal with climate change that also makes things more profitable. For example I was just watching a video earlier today about how they have this new method of taking captured Carbon emissions and injecting it into concrete. Something about the chemical reaction this process creates makes the concrete stronger, as a result they don't need to add as much cement to the concrete such that the use of less cement offsets the additional cost of injecting the captured carbon. The end result being a better product that helps the environment and doesn't cost more to make.

Of course it would just be nice if people ruled by capitalism would just recognize that climate change is just as much a threat to them as anyone else. I mean what happens to your precious profit margins if fires or severe weather destroys your factory or food and water shortages kill off your workers? How profitable will your business be if your manufacturing plant that you place on the water's edge to facilitate transporting goods and dumping waste, ends up underwater because the Thwaites Glacier has melted and sea levels rise a couple of meters?

 

[h.h.]

Can climate change be solved under putin?

 

[audiohi]

Putin wants to warm the earth for shipping routes, resources, and territory.

 

[Three Berries]

Climate change is a commie conspiracy. 51 volcanoes going. What you gonna do to stop or mitigate that?

There are currently 51 volcanoes actively erupting on the planet. While the Karangetang volcano is continuing to produce viscous lava flows, several developments have occurred at other regional volcanoes. In Japan, the Kirishima volcano is continuing to show signs.....

 

[Cannavore]

Can climate change be solved under putin?

can the boomer addicted to midas touch and occupy democrats talking points actually make a post without mentioning russia or putin?

 

[h.h.]

can the boomer addicted to midas touch and occupy democrats talking points actually make a post without mentioning russia or putin?

I'm sorry. Did I hurt his feelings?
Should I join you in kissing his ass?

 

[Gry]

You misunderstand, it's not so much a matter of good luck finding doctors (although I guess I could have put that part of my previous post better) as much as it is good luck finding good doctors that offer the services you want. Now I guess the rules vary some from State to State because in my state if you're over 18 you're not getting any dental care covered by Medicaid.

You are way off base describing medicaid as you have, at least as far as what I have found here in the LA area.,
It has a network and it was not filled with third rate mds , when the wait time is excessive, they have the ability to go out of the network and
use what ever private service that may be needed.
I had anticipated poor quality service with long wait times, but I have been more than pleased and surprised with how
things have gone for me. I have to say the majority of what I have experienced has been better than I expected.
I sure do hope that what others experience is like what I have been fortunate to encounter.

 

[med4u]

What they didn't tell you is they use the same rectal thermometer to take everyone's temp

 

[audiohi]

What they didn't tell you is they use the same rectal thermometer to take everyone's temp

What year are you living in?

I can't remember the last time a doctors office used anything other than a touchless thermometer.

I'm sure in Russia, where they have to steal their toilets, they use filthy rectal thermometers on their citizens.

 

[med4u]

Apparently your not on Medicaid ....yet

 

[audiohi]

Apparently your not on Medicaid ....yet

Yea, I'm probably too young to take advantage of any social programs. They'll be dismantled by my time.

Enjoy your social security and healthcare while you cry about socialism, though.

 

[Three Berries]

I'm on Medicare and except for not all Drs being accepted no problems.

Not the same as Medicaid though.

But then I don't hardly use Drs.

 

[HempKat]

You are way off base describing medicaid as you have, at least as far as what I have found here in the LA area.,
It has a network and it was not filled with third rate mds , when the wait time is excessive, they have the ability to go out of the network and
use what ever private service that may be needed.
I had anticipated poor quality service with long wait times, but I have been more than pleased and surprised with how
things have gone for me. I have to say the majority of what I have experienced has been better than I expected.
I sure do hope that what others experience is like what I have been fortunate to encounter.

Well to be completely fair it's been over two decades since I had to deal with Medicaid as my primary insurance. Now a days it just works as a secondary insurance to my Medicare. As a secondary insurance it covers my monthly Medicare premium so that doesn't get deducted from my check and it covers the deductibles and pays the co-pays and the 20% Medicare doesn't cover. So in that role as Secondary Insurance I have no complaints about Medicaid. I described it as I remembered it though because I have heard plenty of people in my home state make the same complaints I used to have, but their complaints have been in the last 5 years, so I just figured it was the same as it ever was. It's worth noting however that Medicaid is administered on the State level and as such it most likely varies widely from State to State making it possible to be terrible on this side of the country (East Coast) and not so bad on the other side of the Country.

 

[mexcurandero420]

NY in the 1930s before the Raw Deal of Roosevelt

 

[h.h.]

The quality of care depends on where you live in the state. It’s better in the populous areas. Better near the universities. Restrictive in the resorts and piss poor in the agricultural areas.

 

[Montuno]

new question;

can climate change be solved/dealt with under existing capitalism?

my answer would be a firm no. and my justification for that position would be for me to tell you to simply look at the past 40yrs lol. i can expand on this when it isn't 2am lol.


for all the Q's and righties who think climate change is a hoax or doesn't exist, this question isn't for you lol. i don't care how much you copy/paste into here about climate change hoaxes, i'm not going to respond to that bullshit.

Eudald Carbonell, archaeologist: "Capitalism is an outdated system that does not solve the problems it generates"
The co-director of the Atapuerca site believes that the pandemic has put us in the mirror as a species and that it is a warning of the consequences of globalization

The archaeologist Eudald Carbonell. Susana Santamaría / Atapuerca Foundation.
Neus Tomas

April 30, 2020 10:02 p.m.

Eudald Carbonell (Ribes de Freser, 1953) is an archaeologist, anthropologist, historian and geologist. More than four decades ago he began to study the Atapuerca deposits and is one of the international references in research on the evolution of the human species. Carbonell, very critical of globalization, warns that we have made a lot of mistakes in our adaptation to the planet and that explains why the coronavirus could have caused this pandemic. He defends that the alternative to the current model should be "planetization", a system that is more respectful of diversity and that redistributes wealth well.

Has the coronavirus put us in the mirror as a species?:
"Yes, this is an expression that I have used because people understand it quickly. Our species, both in the East and in the West, has stood in front of the mirror and seen that something was going very wrong and that we were not doing it right. This pandemic is a warning, a self-warning that we give ourselves. When things are not done well, things are not going well and therefore the way of doing it must be changed. The pandemic will exert selective pressure on our species, which is small because all countries try to combat natural selection, but it has put us in the mirror as a species that is making mistakes in the way it adapts to the planet."

He affirms that the coronavirus is a warning and on occasion has warned that if decisions are not made, there will be a collapse as a species. What decisions?:
"Crashes occur when a system breaks down and stops working. It's like a catharsis. Everyone understands that it is a collapse in the ICU: there is a surplus of patients and there is neither the means nor the staff structure to deal with it. Applied to this example at a universal level, it means that the capacities to continue leading a normal life do not exist.
A pandemic like this, which could have been avoided in a monitored world like this, proves that we have done something wrong. We have a globalization with feet of mud. The standardization of our species on the planet is a strategic error. For more than 15 years I have been proposing planetization in the face of globalization, the maintenance of diversity in the face of uniformity, progress in the face of development."

Therefore, what we are paying for are the errors of a poorly planned globalization?:
"Yes, with a high probability it is that."

And how can it be put in another way?:
"Is that globalization is a mistake. We have to stop globalization because we have to make a planetization. This globalization makes us lose the memory of diverse systems and cultures, which gives us a unique thought. As long as we don't have more operational intelligence, we have to work to integrate diversity. When you disintegrate, as globalization is currently doing, you destroy the memory of the human system and the Earth system."

An example of that disintegration could be what is happening with climate change?:
"Yes, it is an example. There have been climatic changes before because we are in a thermodynamic system. Now, at this time we are aware that our way of adapting causes us to intervene in the acceleration of change. And by speeding it up you can cause a lot of trouble for our species to readapt to change. This is another of the effects of globalization with feet of mud."

If the alternative is planetization, who should lead it?
"Thought and knowledge must do it. Neither political nor geopolitical interests nor extractive classes should do it. Planetization implies maintaining diversity and this also includes cultures, languages...everything. It is a process to generate interdependence on the planet. In this way, the system does not lose memory, quite the contrary, because it has many different collective memories that can provide information. It is about creating a set of nodes that are interdependent and not about having nodes nullified and with a hierarchy that causes them to not work."

Is this the revolution as a species that you propose?:
"Yes, I'm talking about an evolutionary revolution, that is, I'm not talking in political terms but in terms of species. It is about creating the necessary structures to socialize the scientific-technological revolution without causing many human losses as happened in the Industrial Revolution."

Have we run too far in the technological revolution?:
"No, on the contrary. We're going too slow. The faster we go in the socialization of technology, the faster sociability will increase. This confinement will make the socialization of technology go faster and this is very important because technology and language is what has made us human. It will make us go faster and we will not have to suffer the deaths that occurred in the First and Second World Wars so that raw materials could circulate and stabilize capitalism. Now it's the other way around. This will probably be the end of a system like capitalism that does not solve the problems it generates."

The end of capitalism?:
"Yes of course. All systems collapse, from slavery to medieval societies. The only one that was attempted to be established artificially was socialism and it also collapsed because humans still do not have sufficient capacities to function in a rational system."

And if capitalism has collapsed, what comes next?
"Planetization is based on the interdependence and redistribution of matter and energy on the planet. In this way, each one uses it according to how their cultural structure is planned. This would be the new system, a universal system based on diversity."

Whether capitalism ends or not, is the risk that this crisis will end up being paid by the usual people, the most disadvantaged classes?:
"It has always been like this. Natural selection works and in this case it is about those who have power, the extractive classes, those who have the means and networks of resistance. This is what has to end. Globalization has empowered systems that are anachronistic, fossil and old. Capitalism is an outdated system that does not solve the problems it generates. We have to go to new systems derived by human logic itself. If we don't do it, evolution itself will."

Do you think that the current political leaders, whether in the United States, Europe or China, and the large economic corporations would be willing to address the planetization that you defend?:
"No. The worst thing that is happening to us in humanity is having leaders. If we eliminated them we could probably change the system. Also, the leaders we elect are the most assholes. They are the most ignorant and lead us to these decisions."

But it will also be the fault of the citizens because they are the leaders we choose?:
"Yes of course. Because we are responsible. It's what you get if you pick the dumbest to lead."

What is your opinion of how this crisis is being managed in Spain?:
"It is being managed late and badly, like everywhere. Spain in this is not special. It is a general ineptitude of all leaders."

If a president asked you for advice, what would you advise?:
"I am not in favor of giving advice, I prefer to give opinions."

What opinion would you give him?:
"That this unfortunate experience served him to think about how he can contribute to go towards planetization and not solve it with a patch that what it will cause is that tomorrow we will be the same again. This is what will surely happen. Once people get the basics figured out again, we'll go back to where we were before because we're conservative. This is a mistake. Patches cannot be reapplied. And let it be advised by scientists. That does not mean they are infallible. Scientific thinking is a method and it can also be fraught with errors. But one thing is an error and another is incapacity."

In other words, people will end up forgetting what has happened and we will not learn any lesson?:
"Yes. But what happens is that perhaps it leaves a substratum in the critical conscience of the species and this is enlarging. If that happened, a wave would be produced that would cause change. It would be a stage of better well-being for our species."

Eudald Carbonell, arqueólogo: "El capitalismo es un sistema caduco que no soluciona los problemas que genera"

El codirector del yacimiento de Atapuerca cree que la pandemia nos ha puesto ante el espejo como especie y que es un aviso de las consecuencias de la globalización

www.eldiario.es

 

[h.h.]

Eudald Carbonell, archaeologist: "Capitalism is an outdated system that does not solve the problems it generates"
The co-director of the Atapuerca site believes that the pandemic has put us in the mirror as a species and that it is a warning of the consequences of globalization

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The archaeologist Eudald Carbonell. Susana Santamaría / Atapuerca Foundation.
Neus Tomas

April 30, 2020 10:02 p.m.

Eudald Carbonell (Ribes de Freser, 1953) is an archaeologist, anthropologist, historian and geologist. More than four decades ago he began to study the Atapuerca deposits and is one of the international references in research on the evolution of the human species. Carbonell, very critical of globalization, warns that we have made a lot of mistakes in our adaptation to the planet and that explains why the coronavirus could have caused this pandemic. He defends that the alternative to the current model should be "planetization", a system that is more respectful of diversity and that redistributes wealth well.

Has the coronavirus put us in the mirror as a species?:
"Yes, this is an expression that I have used because people understand it quickly. Our species, both in the East and in the West, has stood in front of the mirror and seen that something was going very wrong and that we were not doing it right. This pandemic is a warning, a self-warning that we give ourselves. When things are not done well, things are not going well and therefore the way of doing it must be changed. The pandemic will exert selective pressure on our species, which is small because all countries try to combat natural selection, but it has put us in the mirror as a species that is making mistakes in the way it adapts to the planet."

He affirms that the coronavirus is a warning and on occasion has warned that if decisions are not made, there will be a collapse as a species. What decisions?:
"Crashes occur when a system breaks down and stops working. It's like a catharsis. Everyone understands that it is a collapse in the ICU: there is a surplus of patients and there is neither the means nor the staff structure to deal with it. Applied to this example at a universal level, it means that the capacities to continue leading a normal life do not exist.
A pandemic like this, which could have been avoided in a monitored world like this, proves that we have done something wrong. We have a globalization with feet of mud. The standardization of our species on the planet is a strategic error. For more than 15 years I have been proposing planetization in the face of globalization, the maintenance of diversity in the face of uniformity, progress in the face of development."

Therefore, what we are paying for are the errors of a poorly planned globalization?:
"Yes, with a high probability it is that."

And how can it be put in another way?:
"Is that globalization is a mistake. We have to stop globalization because we have to make a planetization. This globalization makes us lose the memory of diverse systems and cultures, which gives us a unique thought. As long as we don't have more operational intelligence, we have to work to integrate diversity. When you disintegrate, as globalization is currently doing, you destroy the memory of the human system and the Earth system."

An example of that disintegration could be what is happening with climate change?:
"Yes, it is an example. There have been climatic changes before because we are in a thermodynamic system. Now, at this time we are aware that our way of adapting causes us to intervene in the acceleration of change. And by speeding it up you can cause a lot of trouble for our species to readapt to change. This is another of the effects of globalization with feet of mud."

If the alternative is planetization, who should lead it?
"Thought and knowledge must do it. Neither political nor geopolitical interests nor extractive classes should do it. Planetization implies maintaining diversity and this also includes cultures, languages...everything. It is a process to generate interdependence on the planet. In this way, the system does not lose memory, quite the contrary, because it has many different collective memories that can provide information. It is about creating a set of nodes that are interdependent and not about having nodes nullified and with a hierarchy that causes them to not work."

Is this the revolution as a species that you propose?:
"Yes, I'm talking about an evolutionary revolution, that is, I'm not talking in political terms but in terms of species. It is about creating the necessary structures to socialize the scientific-technological revolution without causing many human losses as happened in the Industrial Revolution."

Have we run too far in the technological revolution?:
"No, on the contrary. We're going too slow. The faster we go in the socialization of technology, the faster sociability will increase. This confinement will make the socialization of technology go faster and this is very important because technology and language is what has made us human. It will make us go faster and we will not have to suffer the deaths that occurred in the First and Second World Wars so that raw materials could circulate and stabilize capitalism. Now it's the other way around. This will probably be the end of a system like capitalism that does not solve the problems it generates."

The end of capitalism?:
"Yes of course. All systems collapse, from slavery to medieval societies. The only one that was attempted to be established artificially was socialism and it also collapsed because humans still do not have sufficient capacities to function in a rational system."

And if capitalism has collapsed, what comes next?
"Planetization is based on the interdependence and redistribution of matter and energy on the planet. In this way, each one uses it according to how their cultural structure is planned. This would be the new system, a universal system based on diversity."

Whether capitalism ends or not, is the risk that this crisis will end up being paid by the usual people, the most disadvantaged classes?:
"It has always been like this. Natural selection works and in this case it is about those who have power, the extractive classes, those who have the means and networks of resistance. This is what has to end. Globalization has empowered systems that are anachronistic, fossil and old. Capitalism is an outdated system that does not solve the problems it generates. We have to go to new systems derived by human logic itself. If we don't do it, evolution itself will."

Do you think that the current political leaders, whether in the United States, Europe or China, and the large economic corporations would be willing to address the planetization that you defend?:
"No. The worst thing that is happening to us in humanity is having leaders. If we eliminated them we could probably change the system. Also, the leaders we elect are the most assholes. They are the most ignorant and lead us to these decisions."

But it will also be the fault of the citizens because they are the leaders we choose?:
"Yes of course. Because we are responsible. It's what you get if you pick the dumbest to lead."

What is your opinion of how this crisis is being managed in Spain?:
"It is being managed late and badly, like everywhere. Spain in this is not special. It is a general ineptitude of all leaders."

If a president asked you for advice, what would you advise?:
"I am not in favor of giving advice, I prefer to give opinions."

What opinion would you give him?:
"That this unfortunate experience served him to think about how he can contribute to go towards planetization and not solve it with a patch that what it will cause is that tomorrow we will be the same again. This is what will surely happen. Once people get the basics figured out again, we'll go back to where we were before because we're conservative. This is a mistake. Patches cannot be reapplied. And let it be advised by scientists. That does not mean they are infallible. Scientific thinking is a method and it can also be fraught with errors. But one thing is an error and another is incapacity."

In other words, people will end up forgetting what has happened and we will not learn any lesson?:
"Yes. But what happens is that perhaps it leaves a substratum in the critical conscience of the species and this is enlarging. If that happened, a wave would be produced that would cause change. It would be a stage of better well-being for our species."

Eudald Carbonell, arqueólogo: "El capitalismo es un sistema caduco que no soluciona los problemas que genera"

El codirector del yacimiento de Atapuerca cree que la pandemia nos ha puesto ante el espejo como especie y que es un aviso de las consecuencias de la globalización

www.eldiario.es

Meet the new boss. No thank you.
“ I don’t give advice, only opinions. I am not a leader. Follow me because everybody else is stupid.”
More of the same bullshit. Everybody has the answer if only everybody else would fall in line.

 

[Montuno]

Meet the new boss. No thank you.
“ I don’t give advice, only opinions. I am not a leader. Follow me because everybody else is stupid.”
More of the same bullshit. Everybody has the answer if only everybody else would fall in line.

Your attempt at argument becomes demagogic-rhetorical falsehood as soon as you falsify, in your quotation marks, more than half of the original answers.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Can climate change be solved under putin?

i must have missed it. exactly WHEN was he put in charge?

 

[flylowgethigh]

Global warming with Putin around? He must be talking about ll the fuel-air bombs Putin is lobbing at the ukie nazis. LOL, it lands, nothing but a bunch of smoke coming out - haha, a dud! Then .... boom!