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h.h.

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can the boomer addicted to midas touch and occupy democrats talking points actually make a post without mentioning russia or putin?
Can you realize putin is killing lots and lots of innocent people that are not nazi baby rapers? Can you make one post that doesn’t condemn the country that supports your lazy ungrateful ass?
 

Three Berries

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well you're right on the first quote. the US military and Fortune 500 companies are the largest polluters on Earth......... but they're communist? lol?
They aren't but the climate change fossil fuel hysteria is helped by Russian bots and financial support for Climate Control groups in the USA.

But the Russians aren't commies anymore so....
 

armedoldhippy

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They aren't but the climate change fossil fuel hysteria is helped by Russian bots and financial support for Climate Control groups in the USA.

But the Russians aren't commies anymore so....
just out of curiosity, exactly what do you think they are? it sure as hell is not a democracy.. autocracy maybe? kleptocracy? :dunno:
 

Cannavore

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NY in the 1930s before the Raw Deal of Roosevelt
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who do you think put the pressure on FDR to do all the new deal reforms? keep in mind he was from a dynastic wealthy elitist family. he wasn't doing what he was doing out of the kindness of his heart, he was doing it because the leftists, anarchists, marxists, trade unionists, etc applied crazy amounts of pressure on him and the ruling class. you can read it in FDR's own personal letters to his fellow oligarchs.... paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "give up some of your wealth now to satisfy the people, or potentially lose it all along with your heads". Then after WW2 & FDR's death, the elites gradually erased much of the legacy of the New Deal, fast forward to the 1980's and the birth of neoliberalism, the reformation of the democratic party after Carter, and the complete democratic abandonment of the working class and voila.
 

Cannavore

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who do you think put the pressure on FDR to do all the new deal reforms? keep in mind he was from a dynastic wealthy elitist family. he wasn't doing what he was doing out of the kindness of his heart, he was doing it because the leftists, anarchists, marxists, trade unionists, etc applied crazy amounts of pressure on him and the ruling class. you can read it in FDR's own personal letters to his fellow oligarchs.... paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "give up some of your wealth now to satisfy the people, or potentially lose it all along with your heads". Then after WW2 & FDR's death, the elites gradually erased much of the legacy of the New Deal, fast forward to the 1980's and the birth of neoliberalism, the reformation of the democratic party after Carter, and the complete democratic abandonment of the working class and voila.
 
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mexcurandero420

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h.h.

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who do you think put the pressure on FDR to do all the new deal reforms? keep in mind he was from a dynastic wealthy elitist family. he wasn't doing what he was doing out of the kindness of his heart, he was doing it because the leftists, anarchists, marxists, trade unionists, etc applied crazy amounts of pressure on him and the ruling class. you can read it in FDR's own personal letters to his fellow oligarchs.... paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "give up some of your wealth now to satisfy the people, or potentially lose it all along with your heads". Then after WW2 & FDR's death, the elites gradually erased much of the legacy of the New Deal, fast forward to the 1980's and the birth of neoliberalism, the reformation of the democratic party after Carter, and the complete democratic abandonment of the working class and voila.
yes, then no. Perhaps without all the drama. The American brand of socialism was created to keep the population under control. It has always neglected the working class. Those too busy working to give a damn about socialism while being forced to support the union elites. Somebody always wants to be the boss regardless of how the game is played.
 

HempKat

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The answer to capitalism is more capitalists.
The answer to Capitalism is to put more capital into the workers hands. There was a time in American history where employers paid what was called a living wage which basically meant employers paid enough to their workers that they could have a decent, not glamorous but a decent life off what they earned working a 40 hour work week. They could afford a mortgage, a vehicle, they could pay bills, afford to eat well (with home cooked meals) and have enough left over to save some money towards unexpected expense, vacations and gift giving during holidays and birthdays. Young adults could afford a decent higher education by saving up from summer jobs as a teen and working part time while in college. If they were lucky maybe the parents managed to save enough to help them out so they didn't have to work while in college. Families could afford to have one person as the main bread winner while their spouse stayed at home raising the children (which back then it was much more doable to have more then the standard 1-2 kids of today) and take care of the home. Crime was lower, and people were more supportive of each other because most people were basically happy. Those were the days people usually think of when they talk about making America great again, because America was pretty great for the most part. The American dream was still alive and anyone with a skillset and the willingness to work hard could achieve what most thought of as success. Back then if you had a million dollars you were a pretty big deal much more so then today. Unfortunately one way living wages were achieved was by paying women significantly less then men. When equal rights for women started and they began to demand to be paid more fairly (something that still needs a lot of work even today) employers used that as an excuse to lower their labor costs. They would say we can't pay women a fairer wage unless we reduce what we pay to men. So they did and that was the start of families needing to have two incomes began. Once companies started seeing the increase to profits by lowering wages they were hooked and they started to look for other ways to cut costs and get away from unions that were in place to protect the workers which inevitably led to send jobs overseas where they could pay pennies on the dollar, avoid unions, avoid regulations and cut even more corners. Most brands that did this still had good names/reputations for their products and so at first they still did well even though the quality of their products began to decline. Of course there were other factors that came along and played a role compounding problems but they got around this by the introduction of widespread relatively easy credit which for a time allowed people to still live reasonably well but now they weren't really saving but instead going in debt. Eventually it caught up to them and no people had to either start working multiple jobs or cut way back on what they expected out of life. Around that same time the countries where American companies moved to for cheap labor started thinking why should we help these foreigners get rich when we can just steal their ideas and make the same things and sell them cheaper and that's when you started seeing the rise of Big Box Stores and Walmarts pop up. For a time people could start to live a little better again because they could get things at cheaper prices. Over time though the cost of living continued to rise but wages didn't really grow along with it and that pretty much brings us to where we are now. Virtually every problem that we complain about today can be traced back to when the concept of a living wage ended. We have more crime, drug use, people are less cooperative with each other, you can't get a decent education without taken on huge debt, people struggle to just get by even though everyone is working as much as they can. The American dream seems more like a fantasy only achievable if you hit the lottery. Unfortunately things have gotten so out of hand now that it just wouldn't be as simple as paying higher wages to solve things. It would be a start but would probably take several generations and a willingness of the elite to stop amassing the crazy amount of wealth they now have where the top 20% of the country owns 86% of the wealth while the other 80% of the population have to make do with the remaining 14%.

Somewhere along the way the big corporations lost site of the fact that the lionshare of it's market were the workers and that if you don't pay the workers enough they're not going to be able to keep consuming at the levels that earn the profits the big corporations want to enjoy. What's worse yet is that with the advances in technology the most likely direction the corporations will go in is to even further reduce the workforce by replacing them with automation OF course many think that can be solved by paying everyone a universal basic income but where will the government get money for that if nobody is earning a taxable income?
 

GOT_BUD?

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The answer to Capitalism is to put more capital into the workers hands. There was a time in American history where employers paid what was called a living wage which basically meant employers paid enough to their workers that they could have a decent, not glamorous but a decent life off what they earned working a 40 hour work week. They could afford a mortgage, a vehicle, they could pay bills, afford to eat well (with home cooked meals) and have enough left over to save some money towards unexpected expense, vacations and gift giving during holidays and birthdays. Young adults could afford a decent higher education by saving up from summer jobs as a teen and working part time while in college. If they were lucky maybe the parents managed to save enough to help them out so they didn't have to work while in college. Families could afford to have one person as the main bread winner while their spouse stayed at home raising the children (which back then it was much more doable to have more then the standard 1-2 kids of today) and take care of the home. Crime was lower, and people were more supportive of each other because most people were basically happy. Those were the days people usually think of when they talk about making America great again, because America was pretty great for the most part. The American dream was still alive and anyone with a skillset and the willingness to work hard could achieve what most thought of as success. Back then if you had a million dollars you were a pretty big deal much more so then today. Unfortunately one way living wages were achieved was by paying women significantly less then men. When equal rights for women started and they began to demand to be paid more fairly (something that still needs a lot of work even today) employers used that as an excuse to lower their labor costs. They would say we can't pay women a fairer wage unless we reduce what we pay to men. So they did and that was the start of families needing to have two incomes began. Once companies started seeing the increase to profits by lowering wages they were hooked and they started to look for other ways to cut costs and get away from unions that were in place to protect the workers which inevitably led to send jobs overseas where they could pay pennies on the dollar, avoid unions, avoid regulations and cut even more corners. Most brands that did this still had good names/reputations for their products and so at first they still did well even though the quality of their products began to decline. Of course there were other factors that came along and played a role compounding problems but they got around this by the introduction of widespread relatively easy credit which for a time allowed people to still live reasonably well but now they weren't really saving but instead going in debt. Eventually it caught up to them and no people had to either start working multiple jobs or cut way back on what they expected out of life. Around that same time the countries where American companies moved to for cheap labor started thinking why should we help these foreigners get rich when we can just steal their ideas and make the same things and sell them cheaper and that's when you started seeing the rise of Big Box Stores and Walmarts pop up. For a time people could start to live a little better again because they could get things at cheaper prices. Over time though the cost of living continued to rise but wages didn't really grow along with it and that pretty much brings us to where we are now. Virtually every problem that we complain about today can be traced back to when the concept of a living wage ended. We have more crime, drug use, people are less cooperative with each other, you can't get a decent education without taken on huge debt, people struggle to just get by even though everyone is working as much as they can. The American dream seems more like a fantasy only achievable if you hit the lottery. Unfortunately things have gotten so out of hand now that it just wouldn't be as simple as paying higher wages to solve things. It would be a start but would probably take several generations and a willingness of the elite to stop amassing the crazy amount of wealth they now have where the top 20% of the country owns 86% of the wealth while the other 80% of the population have to make do with the remaining 14%.

Somewhere along the way the big corporations lost site of the fact that the lionshare of it's market were the workers and that if you don't pay the workers enough they're not going to be able to keep consuming at the levels that earn the profits the big corporations want to enjoy. What's worse yet is that with the advances in technology the most likely direction the corporations will go in is to even further reduce the workforce by replacing them with automation OF course many think that can be solved by paying everyone a universal basic income but where will the government get money for that if nobody is earning a taxable income?
It's almost as if Capitalism was designed to consume itself...
 
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h.h.

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Why do we all have to be workers?
The 1950’s were great. For some.
 
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