The Haze discussion thread

[RingtailCanyon]

Purple Haze was Original Haze with Columbian bloodlines.

-SamS

Sam

Is black colombian in Purple Haze? or wacky weed ?

It had several Colombian lines like Santa Marta Gold, Wacky weed.
You must remember that Purple colors can be induced in some clones by cold, while other lines turn purple regardless of temps.

-SamS


I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS

Yes Purple Original haze was absolutely a reality. It was around for more then a decade in the late 60's , 70's, and from then on in the form of hybrids. It came in silver, blue, reddish, as well as purple, and almost black. I grew, smoked, saw them all. They were real.

-SamS
To be honest the purple Hazes were maybe stronger but not as clear or as up and high. I liked the lime greens with maybe a bit of Thai blood. I do remember a med dark purp Haze that tasted just like root beer, amazing. I also had a Kerala that tasted just like Vics Metholated it was Camphor for sure, strong as hell but not as clear as I like.
I grew mex seeds from a bag of weed in 1965.

-SamS

The Original Haze was three Columbian varieties, including Punto Rojos, and a magenta variety and a green variety. They were used to make the first O Haze. All Columbian.....
-SamS

 

[RingtailCanyon]

The stock that I got from Sam was 69'/ 70'. He told me it was 60'/70' and warned me of poor germination results. The various batches were labeled and dated. All indications are that he was telling the truth. He was also reluctant to sell because of limited stock.
Is anyone suggesting that either he or I are lying about this?
N.

Sorry, that was a typo. I meant 69'/70'.
As I said, he was reluctant to sell, but he needed money.
The bags and labeling looked at least 15 years old. The germination rates were consistant with seeds of this age. And most importantly, I was not aware of any significance of these dates. If he said they were from 76', I still would have been interested. No, if he was lying, the seeds would have been older and not bred by him. The benefit in this case, would be that he could claim authorship. Otherwise, who benefits?
Please explain more fully the reasons for your suspicions.


Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.
I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.
Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.
N.

I remember the Catalogue of Seeds
It was in a High Times.
You raise some interesting questions Bigherb, but not ones that I can answer. My guess is that Sam got these seeds from an old Master. One thing I am convinced of is that these seeds were part of his working gene bank and were irreplaceable. He was reluctant to sell.
I also clearly remember that the first 6 plants came from batches dated prior to 1970.
As I said before, the plants were hybrids. By all means, see if you can get to the bottom of this. I have given my testemony.
N.


Here is a quote from Sam the skunkman made on ICMAG in 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know.
-SamS
Duh!
And so there is no further confusion, I have never met the Haze bros and I never got a useful haze clone from anybody.
If you want me to speculate (I know you do), I would say that the seeds that I bought, were seeds that he got off his neighbours (haze bros.) with the admonition not to give them to anyone. He sold them to me and now he's trying to cover his arse, by saying that the sale was conditional. Can you believe it, selling seeds to a seed company that were 15+ years old with the warning that none might come up, but if they do I couldn't use them? That sounds like a deal that I'd go for (sarcasm). Remember this was a deal in '84 for thousands of dollars between 2 guys strapped for cash.

They say that if you smell a skunk, you might think that it's full of shit.
Well, O.K., I made that up.
N.

Yeah, I've heard Sam whining before about how he should really get a royalty from everyone who he sold seeds to who used his genetics, 50% for pure lines and 25% for hybrids. This is after he sold you something for more than the price of gold in the first place. By his own admission, he didn't start working with Haze until the 70's. All the good ones I grew were from prior to 1970, so whose seeds were they, or is Sam a secret Haze brother. It seems that Sam feels that he deserves a lot of respect for getting seeds from one competent guy and selling them to another. Indeed, it may well be his finest achievement.

I got 7 plants out of a couple of thousand seeds and they were all different. So which ones were the pure ones exactly! Royalties indeed, I think I'll call him 'Monsanto Sam".
N.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

03-12-2008, 04:07
I picked up 4-5 15 packs of "original haze" from positronics in '95, as well as sk1, bred for earliness "hand pollenated by the skunkman"

At any rate I'd like to get down to it Sam. Most of the Dutch hazes used in hybrids seemed to me from earlier f1 Mexican Colombian stock? A bit more sawn teak/leather of a flavor than the majority of Thai dominant citrus Haze I seemed to have aquired? Is this so? At any rate, the haze I have when it is on, can not be compared to by anything I have ever encountered, ever. Thank you sir for your efforts to make this so. I don't know what to tell folk that have not encountered this. It can be truly awsome.

Much Respect,
Tom

If I was crunching numbers in the closet I would not cull a lamb. However, if I was dealing with numbers... I know Haze. It is resinous on the stem in veg to the tune of 75%, it smells like a metal shop for lack of a better definition to be sure, no other word for it. Recently, I made the mistake of releasing SAM'S Original Haze without his permission. I only learned it was truly his (via Positronic) in this thread here. I am hoping that he- as I- am only concernerned with continuing the line? & that nothing else much matters? Otherwise, he's a big guy & owes me a dotted eye


Sounds to me that Haze was a Colombian, then a Colombian/Mexican, then a Colombian/Mexican X S. Indian, then a Colombian/Mexican X S. Indian X Thai - thousands of pounds of all of the above built a mountain of history and reputation in California. Then the vast majority of us were introduced to her. I see no conflict in any of these stories other than to respectfully protect the folks who are still working legitimately maybe, and this is no where near as shifty and disrespectful as calling something else from another part of the world by the same name. This line will never be recreated try as we may - oh what a day that would be, but.. The origins of these genetics today are nowhere near of the same quality, by far and away. Hunting down/scoring epic all time genetics be it in the jungle or at fisherman's wharf then breeding together these plants year after year all those years ago should never ever be referred to as an accident, even if whoever did this were somewhat uncertain of what they were doing at the time. -T

 

[Hammerhead]

I have seen some of his facts too, Hammer!

Not sure what this means.. We all have opinions. I'd suggest you quote Tom about what facts you have issues with. Why you quoted me no clue.

 

[regseeds]

Bump on this thread. What are you all planning on growing haze’ish in 2022. I’m all ears.

Or better yet, help me select my hazeish plant selection for this years outdoor plots. Here’s what I’m thinking about…

ICMAG Haze
Old stock from Ace Green OTH
Killer A5 Haze
C5 x Kali China
Train Wreck x THH
THH x Blue Star
F3’s of 1988 NL#5 x Haze

Still waiting on a few more seeds from an IC friend which could equate to three more THH crosses. Will have them soon. Don’t know for some of these seeds whether they will even sprout…but even after 12+ years, they can.

I can’t do them all as I’ve got to also tend a CBD crop and some more Indica patient desires.

@ JC, lost, flower power and sub any one of you guy's that open sourced the icmag haze. I want to donate to the community as I've received so much goodwill from people.

I have Nev's haze from the greenhouse in regular circa 98-2002 *2packs. If one of you guy's wanted to open source them up like the icmag haze shoot me a PM and I'll ship them to you guys to do as you please and dish them out here.

Time we break down the walls of bullshit.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

@ JC, lost, flower power and sub any one of you guy's that open sourced the icmag haze. I want to donate to the community as I've received so much goodwill from people.

I have Nev's haze from the greenhouse in regular circa 98-2002 *2packs. If one of you guy's wanted to open source them up like the icmag haze shoot me a PM and I'll ship them to you guys to do as you please and dish them out here.

Time we break down the walls of bullshit.

Damn dude, that’s a very kind offer!!!

 

[regseeds]

Damn dude, that’s a very kind offer!!!

All good brother. what's the point of only Hemp having access to the originals pre bastardization.

In original packaging, I'd rather open-source them up so anybody who wants it can have it.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

I like to see Donald grow them down under.

 

[Ncali]

@ JC, lost, flower power and sub any one of you guy's that open sourced the icmag haze. I want to donate to the community as I've received so much goodwill from people.

I have Nev's haze from the greenhouse in regular circa 98-2002 *2packs. If one of you guy's wanted to open source them up like the icmag haze shoot me a PM and I'll ship them to you guys to do as you please and dish them out here.

Time we break down the walls of bullshit.

Thats the kinda love we need round here.

 

[Koondense]

 

[goingrey]

Which Haze is this if you don't mind me asking, A5s1?

 

[regseeds]

@Ur Humbl Nr8tor ROFL, not yet . These two need nothing else to disagree on!

All jokes aside hempy is showing PTSD from these two dooking it out for well over a decade. I know deep down they wish no harm on one another but time to let old beef slide. Both are loved and appreciated equally

I envisage an annual haze meetup, where we are all glad it's only once a year!

Donald why do you continue to act like this is my first grow and act like i have no clue of what i am doing.

I have never seen you act like this with any other member in Icmag but me.

HPS produce great results and i have not seen to many match the yields i am getting with or with out HPS.

My old nabour lived a lot further north than you and grew some amazing sats up there as he did the same with the same genetics were i am.

I dont live in Alaska and great cannabis is grown a lot further south than i am FACT.

People that grow in eras were they get feet of now indoors you praise there plants me you just ridicule me and to be honesty i have grown tired of it.

I am over it.

 

[Hammerhead]

Lots of us are old. We will probably be gone in less than 15 years, some sooner. The drama and stress caused aren't worth it. So keep that in mind..

HK X THH

 

[@hempy]

All good brother. what's the point of only Hemp having access to the originals pre bastardization.

In original packaging, I'd rather open-source them up so anybody who wants it can have it.

Firstly every person that ordered Nevils Haze from Shanti when he had the forum at Cannabis World got Nevils Haze made by Nevil and when that seed lot ran out in 2003 or just after from memory it was replaced with fresh seed made by shanti with the same parents. It was not a secret Shanti had posted this so people knew and Shanti made fresh seed and seed demand continued and they sold out fast to every time.

I never saw changes in Nevils Haze sold by Mr Nice that people were growing and posting up grow logs of and then i left the forum. After that i stopped following and still dont really follow to much of what is happening now.

I have given out so much Nevils Haze F2 over the years for free and once i make the F3s i plan on doing the same but i am not going to share genetics with people that insult me and troll me.

First People claimed shanti never had the parent plants and then others claimed the plants were dead for years.

 

[unregistered190]

@ JC, lost, flower power and sub any one of you guy's that open sourced the icmag haze. I want to donate to the community as I've received so much goodwill from people.

I have Nev's haze from the greenhouse in regular circa 98-2002 *2packs. If one of you guy's wanted to open source them up like the icmag haze shoot me a PM and I'll ship them to you guys to do as you please and dish them out here.

Time we break down the walls of bullshit.

awesome offer of generosity!

 

[@hempy]

@Ur Humbl Nr8tor ROFL, not yet . These two need nothing else to disagree on!

All jokes aside hempy is showing PTSD from these two dooking it out for well over a decade. I know deep down they wish no harm on one another but time to let old beef slide. Both are loved and appreciated equally

I envisage an annual haze meetup, where we are all glad it's only once a year!

No i am over peoples bull shit full stop.

I have grown sativas since 79 and with that comes a wealth of knowledge that i have been more than happy to share.

Having people single me out because they dont like me for growing out Nevil and Shantis genetics and being Nevil and Shantis friend is piss weak.

2 decades of this bull shit is long enough.

 

[LostTribe]

@ JC, lost, flower power and sub any one of you guy's that open sourced the icmag haze. I want to donate to the community as I've received so much goodwill from people.

I have Nev's haze from the greenhouse in regular circa 98-2002 *2packs. If one of you guy's wanted to open source them up like the icmag haze shoot me a PM and I'll ship them to you guys to do as you please and dish them out here.

Time we break down the walls of bullshit.

Honored to be included in your offer, alas I hope to do some traveling soon and just trying to finish backing up some of Todd's if I find males and same situation with F13 which I hope not to loose again. Hoping for some pollen donors. I simply do not have the time or space right now. I bet the Nevils Haze via GH 98-02 are full of potential and believe they ought to be directly from Nevil are they not? I think he was providing those directly to GH back then....

 

[regseeds]

Honored to be included in your offer, alas I hope to do some traveling soon and just trying to finish backing up some of Todd's if I find males and same situation with F13 which I hope not to loose again. Hoping for some pollen donors. I simply do not have the time or space right now. I bet the Nevils Haze via GH 98-02 are full of potential and believe they ought to be directly from Nevil are they not? I think he was providing those directly to GH back then....

Yeah, this was Nev's last hurrah in Dam as a consultant far removed from his glory days. Still the same genetics, I guess we will find out soon.

There are also 2 packs of the first release AK47 which I'll include, which you guy's open-source up and divide among yourself. Same source, from the days when Nev, Simon, Adam, Saga were all at Sensi.

 

[regseeds]

I have grown sativas since 79 and with that comes a wealth of knowledge that i have been more than happy to share.

Hemp, everybody here value's your contribution champ.

The past is the past.

 

[@hempy]

Honored to be included in your offer, alas I hope to do some traveling soon and just trying to finish backing up some of Todd's if I find males and same situation with F13 which I hope not to loose again. Hoping for some pollen donors. I simply do not have the time or space right now. I bet the Nevils Haze via GH 98-02 are full of potential and believe they ought to be directly from Nevil are they not? I think he was providing those directly to GH back then....

Nevil was a partner in GH coffee shop and Shanti and his wife / Argan and his wife started Green house seeds and Nevil sold GHS seed on consignment.

The seed GHS got was also the seed Nevil handed shanti along with lots of other seed and the parental plants to re produce these same NH seed and other lines.

That means that the seed i have the seed regseeds has the seed Leet and 1000s of other got came from the same parents.