Julian Assange-

[Gry]

if he is brought to trial in a US court, he will be subject to US laws. like selling pot seeds to folks living in a country where possession is illegal. isn't there someone on here that can tell us how that works? don't be a horses ass & start whining that "the law needs changing!" because i agree. but you get charged, tried, and sentenced according to the laws in effect at the time of the alleged offense, not how you think the laws should be. whether you yourself break a law, or cause someone else to, you are legally responsible for that no matter where you were when it happened. drunk driving is illegal. but, let's pretend that it isn't someplace. you are there, and call home to see how the kids are doing. son asks, "hey, where is the key to the liquor cabinet?" you tell him, son gets ripped, drives, & kills a little old lady or three kids crossing the street. do you think that because it is not illegal to drive while drunk WHERE YOU ARE, that they are not going to charge you with it? grow up... you enabled them to break the law.

I would contend the only law he broke was the unwritten law of do not tell them the truth.
Our country trashed all moral values when we invaded Iraq with fabricated device.
Assange simply reminded us of that, at a painful moment .
In going after him as we have, we are showing the world that we care not for democracy.
We used to ridicule the kind of police state crap we are seeing used.

 

[Microbeman]

and how many years in prison did that get Manning? just asking for a friend...don't take me wrong on this. i agree that what they exposed was evil. but you have to stand up in court & take your chances if you are gonna pretend you did it "for the good of the people". anything else, running & hiding is chickenshit. it only takes ONE person on a jury to upset the apple cart. if you think you are doing the right thing, stand up & say so instead of hiding. you should be proud of doing the right thing.

Unfortunately, these days (and old days I guess) the wording of charges and laws does not always allow one to stand proud.

 

[h.h.]

he didn't steal anything. imagine shilling for war criminals.

liberals are still salty he revealed the DNC primary process is total theatre and that they choose their nominees privately and undemocratically.

Bullshit. He was a self promoting piece of shit way before that. Hiding like the little weasel he was.

 

[gaiusmarius]

its always how it starts, you chose the victim thats already hated to set new precedents, but make no mistake, the precedents will be made uses of by both sides from now on. he hacked nothing, he stole nothing, he just published documents that were leaked to him. this process is involved in any professional investigative journalism worth its salt. the person who hacks, leaks or steals the documents is fair game, but the journalist who reports on it is and always was sacrosanct, until now. do you really trust your government not to use this precedent again in future? no matter how much you hate Assange, you should be weary of the new powers being cemented in place by his treatment. hes not even American, how can he be a traitor to America? the whole thing is bizare and just plain wrong. if this was being done by the Russians to someone, there would be protests to the moon and back, every news org would be out there with outrage. but i guess they won't wake up till it happens to someone from the guardian or nyt. Assange is the perfect way to set the precedent. not only do you punish the actual leaker, you go after the publisher.

 

[Gry]

Bullshit. He was a self promoting piece of shit way before that. Hiding like the little weasel he was.

He did not steal the information, he published it.
He had the courage to speak truth to power.
He was the only one who did show us what was being done in our name.
The forces he pissed off, are those who do choke the life out of democracy.
A police state will not tolerate such as Assange, a democracy must.

 

[gaiusmarius]

He did not steal the information, he published it.
He had the courage to speak truth to power.
He was the only one who did show us what was being done in our name.
The forces he pissed off, are those who do choke the life out of democracy.
A police state will not tolerate such as Assange, a democracy must.

well spoken, thats the wisdom for the ages.

 

[h.h.]

He did not steal the information, he published it.
He had the courage to speak truth to power.
He was the only one who did show us what was being done in our name.
The forces he pissed off, are those who do choke the life out of democracy.
A police state will not tolerate such as Assange, a democracy must.

He’s a loser. He published stolen information that really amounted to more or less what we already knew was going on. He made no difference in this world whatsoever. He does have his fan club . That’s it.

Nothing Democratic at all about what he did. He felt he was above all that .

I didn’t vote for the guy. Nobody did. He wasn’t invited nor was he vetted to decide what should be public and what shouldn’t be. We have elected officials that do that. It is not a free for all.

 

[gaiusmarius]

He’s a loser. He published stolen information that really amounted to more or less what we already knew was going on. He made no difference in this world whatsoever. He does have his fan club . That’s it.

Nothing Democratic at all about what he did. He felt he was above all that .

I didn’t vote for the guy. Nobody did. He wasn’t invited nor was he vetted to decide what should be public and what shouldn’t be. We have elected officials that do that. It is not a free for all.

progress at least, lol. you said he was a traitor, thief and a hacker. now hes a publisher after all?

for someone who is all about fact checking, you have been throwing around wild accusations against him without bothering to look any of the facts up.

rapist: no
thief: no
hacker: no
traitor: no

as for saying he didnt expose anything that wasn't already known, or was just useles, thats really crazy. how can you have forgotten all the stuff he exposed.

Six big leaks from Julian Assange's WikiLeaks over the years

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...ileaks-most-memorable-revelations/3434371002/

 

[h.h.]

Wow. We have Sarah Palin’s email account. She shouldn’t have the same right to privacy that we do. Or should she?

we don’t need foreign actors self deciding for themselves what should be kept secret and what shouldn’t be. If you’re total focus is to destroy the fragile theme of democracy at all costs in a self appointed, self promoting way, julians your man.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Wow. We have Sarah Palin’s email account. She shouldn’t have the same right to privacy that we do. Or should she?

we don’t need foreign actors self deciding for themselves what should be kept secret and what shouldn’t be. If you’re total focus is to destroy the fragile theme of democracy at all costs in a self appointed, self promoting way, julians your man.

do you really read that badly or are you just trolling here? they exposed that she was doing the same as Clinton, using her private email account for government business. this allows them, (palin and clinton) to hide shady doings from their official email accounts. don't you want reps held to the same standards as dems?

 

[Microbeman]

do you really read that badly or are you just trolling here? they exposed that she was doing the same as Clinton, using her private email account for government business. this allows them, (palin and clinton) to hide shady doings from their official email accounts. don't you want reps held to the same standards as dems?

but Trump admin gets a pass

 

[audiohi]

Where is the line drawn?

Log4j is probably going to expose quite a bit of info.

Free to publish?

 

[gaiusmarius]

Where is the line drawn?

Log4j is probably going to expose quite a bit of info.

Free to publish?

i don't know who that is, but if he is publishing wrong doing by elites, i say more power to him, who ever his target may be. expose that shit, the abscess needs to be purged, the puss of corruption and criminality needs to be exposed to the bright light of day. no matter who it is, no favour no fear, let the wheels of justice grind that shit.

 

[gaiusmarius]

but Trump admin gets a pass

huh? why? nah man, no way, no one gets a pass!

 

[audiohi]

i don't know who that is, but if he is publishing wrong doing by elites, i say more power to him, who ever his target may be. expose that shit, the abscess needs to be purged, the puss of corruption and criminality needs to be exposed to the bright light of day. no matter who it is, no favour no fear, let the wheels of justice grind that shit.

It's a huge Apache software vulnerability.

Used all over.

 

[Microbeman]

huh? why? nah man, no way, no one gets a pass!

Meadows = it is different man, apples and oranges. He is not emailing privileged government stuff; only stuff about subverting the government - this according to the Quoir
The above has sarcastic content and intent, however this portrays the mindset or lack thereof regarding Trump followers, AKA Q-followers, not to be confused with Q-anon or Auntie Fay or uneducated trailer folks or educated trailer folk or newfies or nova scotians.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Where is the line drawn?

Log4j is probably going to expose quite a bit of info.

Free to publish?

now i get the question, according to the rules as they stand, the person using those methods to hack is committing a crime, if they find some thing really important about someone of great influence or public office and this info was leaked to a publisher, they should be free to print it, as long as they are damn sure it's real, else liable suits will be in their future. this doesn't mean the hacker will not get punished if he is caught. sadly even someone who didnt hack, but just shared the info they had access to like Manning gets badly punished, even if the info was in the public interest.

 

[h.h.]

do you really read that badly or are you just trolling here? they exposed that she was doing the same as Clinton, using her private email account for government business. this allows them, (palin and clinton) to hide shady doings from their official email accounts. don't you want reps held to the same standards as dems?

By using shady methods ourselves? No. A person has a right to personal emails. If it was found that she was violating the law, it should be done possibly by subpoena. It’s not up to foreign actors to decide what should or shouldn’t be published or exposed though I do expect that sort of crap from possibly Russia.
As for using private emails for government work. Shame on them, but that’s our business for us to deal with.

 

[h.h.]

Whose to say what’s in the public’s interest? Certainly not Wikileaks.

 

[dramamine]

Whose to say what’s in the public’s interest? /QUOTE]

Journalists. That is/was their function.