The Haze discussion thread

[harvestreaper]

man yawl still going ,,,when you gonna understand your gonna prove nothing here,,,,neville fans go grow an prove nevilles... sam fans grow an prove sams work that it .... me im greedy i like both lol arguing just makes everyone look dim as long as you like what you grow and or your customers do what else matters??

 

[bigherb]

I see your banned now but why wasnt anything further or better found from the Millions of O Haze seeds sam had ? , Millions and Neville had 7 ?

When these comparisons are made it brings negativity. It divides the love of Haze and some of the feelings behind it joy and laughter . It also shows the lack of knowledge and understanding . There should be no Sams Vs Nevil . We’re all Haze lovers

Much much respect to Nevil and all his work . Ojd respect for your works as well.

Again your comparing the 12-16 weeks Haze hybrids with Original Haze 16-24 weeks . Most aren’t willing to grow 12+ week plants . I’m sure less than half the amount of people who have even attempted to grow Haze hybrids have attempted to grow Original Haze

Most growers want high yield and short flowering .
Why have you crossed cookies / diesel / kush to your Haze hybrids?

Who says nothing better was found than Nevils work ?

I know your busy crossing Nevs work to Kush etc , maybe your not familiar with all the work MadMac has done lately

Johnny Chicago and Goli have shared Haze stock with various members including MadMac and Mac has done some amazing work that is getting great feedback from members in our community . Maha kala is doing some great work as well not using Nevs hybrids .

You can’t compare Original Haze to a haze hybrid. But if you’d like to I’d love to hear your feedback on some of the Haze work / selected clones from the above mentioned vs Nevs work

1luvbigherb

 

[Hammerhead]

There are people working with NHaze. Some killer Haze hybrids are def out there. Finding them is not so easy.

cosmic wisdom seeds
Hawaiian Sativa x Nevils haze

northern lights #2 x nevilles haze

 

[harvestreaper]

nev x sam hybrid i like to smoke as i read the arguments

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Nevil said he didn't know why you'd get males from a selfed male so he clearly didn't grow the seeds

Show me the quote were he said that. As far as I know he was reversing male cannabis plants decades before most and clearly knew that genetically they would come out as male and female.....plus the double m was the percetge that wasn't germenating.....he was using genetic charts before most in cannabis so knew an could chart and predict outcomes...an was doing this decades back......I think your mixing some stuff up hello....
ps the seeds were grown. Revesed hazeC using males and female put to other things were sold.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

hahaha a whole year was it? hahahahahahaha he preserved what he could and was more than reluctant to sell to Nev was he not?

Your clearly dont really know....not sure what your on about about a whole year....the f1 seeds were sold days after sam landing in holand to nevil......nevil got them in 1984....first official haze hybrid release he did was in 1988....so work out how many years of testing that is.........

its pretty clear who you are now....I wouldn't believe everything your fed or read.

 

[Raco]

CG Sept 19 @ 43N

 

[TheDarkStorm]

When these comparisons are made it brings negativity. It divides the love of Haze and some of the feelings behind it joy and laughter . It also shows the lack of knowledge and understanding . There should be no Sams Vs Nevil . We’re all Haze lovers

Much much respect to Nevil and all his work . Ojd respect for your works as well.

Again your comparing the 12-16 weeks Haze hybrids with Original Haze 16-24 weeks . Most aren’t willing to grow 12+ week plants . I’m sure less than half the amount of people who have even attempted to grow Haze hybrids have attempted to grow Original Haze

Most growers want high yield and short flowering .
Why have you crossed cookies / diesel / kush to your Haze hybrids?

Who says nothing better was found than Nevils work ?

I know your busy crossing Nevs work to Kush etc , maybe your not familiar with all the work MadMac has done lately

Johnny Chicago and Goli have shared Haze stock with various members including MadMac and Mac has done some amazing work that is getting great feedback from members in our community . Maha kala is doing some great work as well not using Nevs hybrids .

You can’t compare Original Haze to a haze hybrid. But if you’d like to I’d love to hear your feedback on some of the Haze work / selected clones from the above mentioned vs Nevs work

1luvbigherb

Big herb....you manged to test out some of the newer repo'd ohz work......seeing as your one of the rarer people around in today's age who got to experience the gold and brown I was intrested in your opinion an what you think comparing the old to whats available now. Thanks

 

[woogieboogie]

Show me the quote were he said that. As far as I know he was reversing male cannabis plants decades before most and clearly knew that genetically they would come out as male and female.....plus the double m was the percetge that wasn't germenating.....he was using genetic charts before most in cannabis so knew an could chart and predict outcomes...an was doing this decades back......I think your mixing some stuff up hello....
ps the seeds were grown. Revesed hazeC using males and female put to other things were sold.

He said it right here!!

Nevil

Breeder

Jan 5, 2011

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I'm wondering if the female progeny of a selfed male crossed with a normal female tend to show hermy tendancies also?​

they see a 1/3 females and 2/3rds male ratios.​

Why would you see any males at all?
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https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/breeding-techniques.5559/page-17#post-81756

 

[TheDarkStorm]

He said it right here!!


https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/bree...-17#post-81756

Were does it say he dont know why he is getting males out of a reversed male. It talks about a female from a reversed male crossed to a normal female...an why it may show herm tendancys...and why you would see males out of those female x female..your obviously misunderstanding things.....
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[Cvh]

woogieboogie hello there, back already under a new nickname?

 

[Hammerhead]

I don't understand that.. Even if you reverse a male it still carries both sexes, so there will always be both females/males in reversed males. Females don't carry male genetics so we get females only when reversed.

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nice way to dance around the question .
But to be clear you and your little circle ( not meaning you but any little crew) defo cant compare to 1000's of people worldwide all agreeing its the best they have ever seen , hence why harvest parties/cups or smokeouts were started way back to let everyone sample/judge and crown the best .
And every real Haze smoker knows nobody come close to Neville , even Sam who had the same seeds and made Millions of them to so its a clear winner.

Nevil Haze and SSH are 2 that clearly show that.
Sam made similar X's but nobody ever heard of them apart from real hardcore Haze fanatics but Nevilles X known worldwide in every country.

Also not knocking Sam as he made some killer strains to , Titans Haze my favourite from Sams strains but Neville was miles ahead and produced many world famous strains from Indica to Sativa's that people still grow clones of today nearly 40 years later like the other most saught after strains that ahve been kept for several decades like Chemdog , ECSD , Original Diesel etc etc.
where is Sams famous Haze cut ? , from Millions of seeds and supposedly the same original seeds he sold Neville and ive never seen any famous Haze cuts from Sam , havr you ?.

Sam run 10's 1000's if not millions in greenhouses for several companys and im still waiting to see something that compares to Nevilles best.

Nevilles new projects have produced mutilple keepers from small selections i made and shows Neville Schoenmakers is still the Haze king after all these years RIP

hahaha,
its pretty clear you are just about hero worship ojd,
like for instance , nevil says mullum was as good as any haze ,
but who around the world has tried it before , so then does it measure up ??

just because thousands have not tried a good variety of cannabis ,
that doesnt lessen it in any way at all ,
something can still be of a world standard , but not have been tried by thousands ,
im not talking about sam , or sam vs nevil ,
im just saying there is , has been great pot around , that just wasnt kept and shared ,
im not sure how you dont understand that ....

what question did i dance around , you did not clearly ask one,
your idea was that good pot , isnt good pot until its been shared among thousands to review it ,
then it becomes good ,
to me thats a crock of shit , and id say to a fair % of others it is too ....

so out of the seeds nevil got from sam,
what did he do to make them better??
nothing of course , he was limited by the genetics ,
which of course were great ,
the guy that gave them to him knew that ,
did they become better in nevils hands ,
no of course they didnt ,
was his selection better , how could it be when in the end only a few were viable ,
and only 2 remained as keepers ....

have they been appreciated by many , yes of course ,
so i dont really understand what your getting at ojd ,
nevil didnt take a turd and shine it up and turn it to gold ,
if he had never shared it around the world , it would still have been great pot ,
i do agree that its a good thing they landed in his hands so we can all give it a try ...

you need to stop this nevil vs sam rubbish mate ,
its divisive and creates arguments ,
give credit where its due and ease up on the hero crap ,
nevil didnt wear a cape , he was just a man....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I don't understand that.. Even if you reverse a male it still carries both sexes, so there will always be both females/males in reversed males. Females don't carry male genetics so we get females only when reversed.

Thats exactly right hammer. A reversed male gives male and female seeds....a small percentage will be whats called a super male or yy....those have issues popping.....

 

[woogieboogie]

Your clearly dont really know....not sure what your on about about a whole year....the f1 seeds were sold days after sam landing in holand to nevil......nevil got them in 1984....first official haze hybrid release he did was in 1988....so work out how many years of testing that is.........

its pretty clear who you are now....I wouldn't believe everything your fed or read.

that maybe so but what did he do with seedlot he had of original haze then? as he and MNS have only ever used the outcrossings or HzC etc, did he just sell them to someone? and not keep any? as it doesn't add up.

 

[woogieboogie]

Were does it say he dont know why he is getting males out of a reversed male. It talks about a female from a reversed male crossed to a normal female...an why it may show herm tendancys...and why you would see males out of those female x female..your obviously misunderstanding things.....
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Jesus, the 1st bit is someone else's words try the link I gave... go to post 328 then Nevs then you'll see

 

[TheDarkStorm]

that maybe so but what did he do with seedlot he had of original haze then? as he and MNS have only ever used the outcrossings or HzC etc, did he just sell them to someone? and not keep any? as it doesn't add up.

The original seeds were too old....sam had some too..they were all too old or hadnt been kept properly...or had been messed with..sam had to fall back on a dozen or so 1976 seed to resurect his haze....what dont add up.....as for others what other breeders do is up to them

 

[woogieboogie]

The original seeds were too old....sam had some too..they were all too old or hadnt been kept properly...or had been messed with..sam had to fall back on a dozen or so 1976 seed to resurect his haze....what dont add up.....as for others what other breeders do is up to them

no you say he inbred them so what happened to those not the ones he got 7 from.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Jesus, the 1st bit is someone else's words try the link I gave... go to post 328 then Nevs then you'll see

Dude...I understand clearly exactly what some is asking in that passage..and nevils reply.....its actually correct......why would you see 1/3 females and 2/3 males from a female reversed onto a female....you should only see fem seeds...no males

 

[TheDarkStorm]

no you say he inbred them so what happened to those not the ones he got 7 from.

Some were lost in raids....all the seeds that survied before nevil left back to Australia to sort legal issues he gave to shanti.....they probably dont even pop now....shanti has loads of nevils stock going back to 87 and maybe earlier.....if ther having issues popping 1997 nevils haze and 98 ssh(not 99) well those earlier seeds are probably goners....