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    Originally posted by Chi13 View Post
    -I'm sure there are a lot of immigrants in England, both legal and illegal. It did not start in the 70s when you joined the common market, but began post war to help build the economy. Just because there are immigrants in your country, it does not mean that came about because of a conspiracy devised by Kalergi. If you accept the Kalergi plan, you also have to accept that there is a secret class of rulers who devised this. I don't see any evidence of that. There's a difference between predicting something, and devising a conspiracy to see that happen.

    All I see is a country trying to revive it's economy with migrants after a brutal war. It turned to it's Commonwealth countries to provide the labour.

    "Immigration from the West Indies was encouraged by the British Nationality Act of 1948, which gave all Commonwealth citizens free entry into Britain, and by a tough new US immigration law introduced in 1952 restricting entry into the USA. The symbolic starting point of this mass migration to the 'mother country' was the journey of the SS Empire Windrush from Kingston, Jamaica, to Tilbury, Essex, in June 1948. On board were almost 500 West Indians intent on starting new lives in Britain.
    From the Indian subcontinent, the majority of immigrants arrived in Britain during the 1950s and 1960s. Although often lumped together as one group by white Britons, these newcomers in fact came from a variety of backgrounds. They included Hindus from the Gujarat region of western India, Sikhs from the eastern Punjab region, and Muslims both from the west part of Pakistan and from East Pakistan, which became Bangladesh in 1971."
    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...mmigration.htm

    Btw there was a lot of opposition in Britain to this. That link has more information about it.

    -I know you don't like the Nazi link but it is there none the less. It is a right wing conspiracy theory, with it's roots in Nazism.

    There is similar migration to my country. I think a quarter of people in Australia were born overseas. My understaning is that our countries economy depends on this. Does it cause problems? Yes of course, but for the most part it is accepted. It has changed our culture, in my opinion for the better. However some things aren't the same. We no longer drink massive amounts of beer, eat meat pies, peas and boiled veg, and listen to ACDC (well some of us do).


    - "Joy, joy, my Lord Don Quixote !!!
    Take heart, my lord, and don't lose hope.
    Look that the fame and reading of your adventures and adventures in search of good and justice have reached the antipodes, and..."-

    - "What are you talking about, Sancho? Perhaps that new world that Andres de Urdaneta discovered, and that Fernandez de Quiros has christened Australia?!?" -

    "That's right, my lord ... They say it well to know how harmful it is to confuse and attack windmills, while shouting that they are giants generated by the darkest sorcery ...-

    - "Don't be a fool, my dear Sancho; surely your Australian friend came to his own conclusions without having to read our clumsy adventures ...
    ... But that if you do well Sancho to celebrate and rejoice: because while in this world there are hearts willing to commit the brave folly of raising their voices against evil ... you and I will ride forever ...
    (... and by the way tell your dear friend, that I knight him as "Don Chi 13 of Australia", and that we will dedicate a street in the capital of our Empire to his noisy countrymen ... "-





    Pd:
    I'm not much into rock...but when these 5 come over here, we hang Australian flags even on the lions of Congress, je, je...
    We salute you !!!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EexwyS...epvEQ&index=18

    .

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      ''Natural and sustainable immigration happens organically. Economic immigrants, whether legal or not, can’t be blamed or demonised for looking for a better quality of life. And genuine asylum seekers who escape war zones and civil wars created by any aggressor including western/Nato countries should expect our sympathy and help and be given refuge in the nearest safe country or countries as set out in international law.

      But it isn’t that simple. Sadly there are political leaders and planners who seek to create and use mass immigration and the forced movement of people for their own nefarious purposes. Not many people have heard of the The Kalergi Pan European plan for Europe. In the 1920s, Free Mason Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi wrote a book titled “Praktischer Idealismus,” (Practical Idealism) which set out his views on how he believed the abolition of the right of self-determination and the elimination of European nations should be accomplished with the formation of an European Union.''

      <from the sovereign Wales site - https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/2...les-of-europe/ ->
      'It can all start from a seed'

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        Montuno: I wont leave room for the option too misunderstand. Its already happenend way to many times in the thread. So, what precisely where you refering too with Joseph Goebbels? Many strategies in the German Nazi propaganda machine, wasnt it?

        Or should I call him Joe Go, heres what first comes to my mind, I see you like message music yourself :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyc62g7YQM0

        When we first are on music another song could be atleast as relevant : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4

        I know for sure, Im not beating on some war drums. Hate do feed hate. We got something called Blodtann, that means bloodtooth. If your brother killed my brother, I will take your brother... For that you will take another brother from me and so it keeps going until everyone is dead... We stopped doing that some years ago.. I believe.. Well, if you want to die that might be a good solution, but for everyone else, not so good..

        Anders B. Breivik. Yeah I "know" that fucker, it was in Norway BTW. Utoeya, half an hour/ hour north of Oslo. It was one bomb in Central Oslo, I cant remember numbers died there. The high numbers came from Utoeya. Where there was an camp for the Liberty Youth Party here. He dressed as up as a cop with guns and "who in the name of saving Europe from threats and ghosts like those advertised here" did his shits. Oh well... What can I say? Where should i begin? He totally fucked my country on so many levels...

        Im in no favor for that guy, I couldnt care less to what happens to him. You got my word on it. On the other hand on a personal note Im in no favor for prison system at all, but that definetly would complicate the discussion. Send him to my farm, I will take good care of smoking his brains out. Just give me some Ibogaine too for "experimenting" on him and I feel be fine....

        But speaking about fascism and the Liberty Party... In 1920.. The farmers here called that party The Bolshevik Jews.. Just saying since I recently learned that myself and it could be relevant..

        Cannavore: Im not sure what numbeo is. I can say that Scandinavian countrys are really great on a lot of stuff, lot of social things. Everyone is welcome, more the better attitude is broad here. We dont have so big gaps in society either, we are world leading to equality in salary also.

        BUT Maalmoe IS a problem, it IS a no gone zone for many, even for police someplaces. Thats an fact.

        A couple of months ago I was talking to Swedish friend of mine. He begun speaking of a talk with his own mother, how used she had gotten to talk about murders and cruel things. Why this came to his mind? Well, the mother didnt show so much shock effected by the fact that her own daughter were moving to a place where they just a few years earlier had found a couple of woman without there heads in the bathtub.

        The Police have even admittited on a press conference that THEY DONT HAVE CONTROL. Do you think that it takes some guts for a Chief Policemen to say that? Fuck yeah, we have not "real" big cities here. We are peace loving rednecks.

        Its not that we are afraid, because we have in all of Scandinavia taking in many immigrations. Its because it has lead to some issues. And for what? I also know that some think they would come to something completely else when they settled for the path to come here. Hmm.. Were they mislead too perhaps? Could it be "vitcim" on both sides?

        Im just saying if I came from a country way south. I would rather want help there then come to this facking freezebox. Ski`s aint that cool. I have brainfreeze atm btw. I take a farm in Syria (with peace there) any day of week. Wait? Why isnt peace there again? Hmm...

        Oh yeah, me and a friend had to personally drive an so called "luck hunter" away from my farm. Different culture have different rules. Specially for the woman. And the women in my family didnt want more play... That lead to some problems... Especially for me... Cause he came here to make a fuss. One crop drying, one crop flowering, one crope rooting and vegging, moms and dads. I dont like to much noise..... Adreanaline? You bet! We manage to get the situation away from the farm at least. So the cops picked him up somewhere "safe". Still truckin though.

        Talking about bulls... Anyone else played with them? hehe. Being a farmer I have been smashed by this huge animals, a couple of times, damn they have lots of power! I also got a knock from a cow one time. Horn right over the front tooth, but still under the nose. Straight to the floor! I said revenge! One day I will EAT ya! Oh, shit, maybe I still got that Bloodtooth? Btw, best meat I have ever tasted, seven year old grass fed, slow growing breed. mmm. I got hungry....

        Im not advocating white power, or black power or jew power. Im advocating equal power. Give people some understanding for there roots helps a long way. In this post you will se that Im quite personal, well, as many of us. Its just because this have led to some personal problems for me. But my motto is still the same towards everyone, smile and wave !

        Btw. Thor Heyerdahl talked about boarders: I have never seen any, but I have heard that they exist in the minds of some
        Hehe

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          * great link to a VERY intensive and broad thesis on Count Coudenhove Kalergi -

          Thorpe, Benjamin J. (2018) The time and space of
          Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi’s Pan-Europe, 1923-1939.
          PhD thesis, University of Nottingham.

          http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/51778/1/Thesis%20%25
          'It can all start from a seed'

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            Talking about Barbara :

            https://archive.org/details/zionistb...uropeanethnics

            What does people make out of statements like that?
            Hehe

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              Can you give us the crime figures coming from the recent 'cultural enrichment' say just in the last 10 years - into your homeland Veggia? - or does the government try to hide them - by conveniently sweeping them under the carpet and burying it somewhere? - what type of crimes are most evident from the new additions to your society - and how do similar crime figures compare with before the flood gates were opened - to let so many migrants in? - and what is the impact and response from your fellow countrymen?

              - Ya Breivik was a nut-case - a terrorist - may his victims RIP - and may he be damned to hell (if there is such a place) - He was no better or worse than any Islamic terrorists than have been continually bombing and beheading citizens worldwide for oh so many years - Europe/UK included - ever since mass-Islamic populations were allowed in - and for centuries before apparently Mohammedans and Christians did not mix well - and were constantly at war -

              - Just in the last week we see these figures all killed in the name of the prophet - but as they say 'One mans terrorist - is another mans freedom fighter' - so they are fighting to spread Islam into all nations - with bomb, sword and IED's (amongst many other weapons) - if necessary - since that is the aim of the Islamic political/religious ideology - to conquer all before it - and we have already seen many innocent European's and Brits murdered in horrendous ways because of it - too many to count -

              - Jihad Report
              Jan 23, 2021 -
              Jan 29, 2021
              Attacks 32
              Killed 86
              Injured 107
              Suicide Blasts 0
              Countries 11

              * in just one week Islam has taken more lives than Breivik took in just one very isolated attack - many years ago now - be sure to check the weekly body-count of Islamic terrorism at : https://thereligionofpeace.com/ - often the weekly totals are much-much higher -

              - You speak of this 'luck-hunter' - was this person some lost country bumpkin from another place (displaced traveller?) - what was all the fuss about?




              Originally posted by Veggia farmer View Post
              Montuno: I wont leave room for the option too misunderstand. Its already happenend way to many times in the thread. So, what precisely where you refering too with Joseph Goebbels? Many strategies in the German Nazi propaganda machine, wasnt it?

              Or should I call him Joe Go, heres what first comes to my mind, I see you like message music yourself :

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyc62g7YQM0

              When we first are on music another song could be atleast as relevant : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4

              I know for sure, Im not beating on some war drums. Hate do feed hate. We got something called Blodtann, that means bloodtooth. If your brother killed my brother, I will take your brother... For that you will take another brother from me and so it keeps going until everyone is dead... We stopped doing that some years ago.. I believe.. Well, if you want to die that might be a good solution, but for everyone else, not so good..

              Anders B. Breivik. Yeah I "know" that fucker, it was in Norway BTW. Utoeya, half an hour/ hour north of Oslo. It was one bomb in Central Oslo, I cant remember numbers died there. The high numbers came from Utoeya. Where there was an camp for the Liberty Youth Party here. He dressed as up as a cop with guns and "who in the name of saving Europe from threats and ghosts like those advertised here" did his shits. Oh well... What can I say? Where should i begin? He totally fucked my country on so many levels...

              Im in no favor for that guy, I couldnt care less to what happens to him. You got my word on it. On the other hand on a personal note Im in no favor for prison system at all, but that definetly would complicate the discussion. Send him to my farm, I will take good care of smoking his brains out. Just give me some Ibogaine too for "experimenting" on him and I feel be fine....

              But speaking about fascism and the Liberty Party... In 1920.. The farmers here called that party The Bolshevik Jews.. Just saying since I recently learned that myself and it could be relevant..

              Cannavore: Im not sure what numbeo is. I can say that Scandinavian countrys are really great on a lot of stuff, lot of social things. Everyone is welcome, more the better attitude is broad here. We dont have so big gaps in society either, we are world leading to equality in salary also.

              BUT Maalmoe IS a problem, it IS a no gone zone for many, even for police someplaces. Thats an fact.

              A couple of months ago I was talking to Swedish friend of mine. He begun speaking of a talk with his own mother, how used she had gotten to talk about murders and cruel things. Why this came to his mind? Well, the mother didnt show so much shock effected by the fact that her own daughter were moving to a place where they just a few years earlier had found a couple of woman without there heads in the bathtub.

              The Police have even admittited on a press conference that THEY DONT HAVE CONTROL. Do you think that it takes some guts for a Chief Policemen to say that? Fuck yeah, we have not "real" big cities here. We are peace loving rednecks.

              Its not that we are afraid, because we have in all of Scandinavia taking in many immigrations. Its because it has lead to some issues. And for what? I also know that some think they would come to something completely else when they settled for the path to come here. Hmm.. Were they mislead too perhaps? Could it be "vitcim" on both sides?

              Im just saying if I came from a country way south. I would rather want help there then come to this facking freezebox. Ski`s aint that cool. I have brainfreeze atm btw. I take a farm in Syria (with peace there) any day of week. Wait? Why isnt peace there again? Hmm...

              Oh yeah, me and a friend had to personally drive an so called "luck hunter" away from my farm. Different culture have different rules. Specially for the woman. And the women in my family didnt want more play... That lead to some problems... Especially for me... Cause he came here to make a fuss. One crop drying, one crop flowering, one crope rooting and vegging, moms and dads. I dont like to much noise..... Adreanaline? You bet! We manage to get the situation away from the farm at least. So the cops picked him up somewhere "safe". Still truckin though.

              Talking about bulls... Anyone else played with them? hehe. Being a farmer I have been smashed by this huge animals, a couple of times, damn they have lots of power! I also got a knock from a cow one time. Horn right over the front tooth, but still under the nose. Straight to the floor! I said revenge! One day I will EAT ya! Oh, shit, maybe I still got that Bloodtooth? Btw, best meat I have ever tasted, seven year old grass fed, slow growing breed. mmm. I got hungry....

              Im not advocating white power, or black power or jew power. Im advocating equal power. Give people some understanding for there roots helps a long way. In this post you will se that Im quite personal, well, as many of us. Its just because this have led to some personal problems for me. But my motto is still the same towards everyone, smile and wave !

              Btw. Thor Heyerdahl talked about boarders: I have never seen any, but I have heard that they exist in the minds of some
              'It can all start from a seed'

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                Originally posted by Veggia farmer View Post
                I remember somebody said peace, love and understanding. I feel the last word is often forgot. Damn shame really.

                Im a so called "Viking" and GN is a so called "Gypsy". Its a different heritage on many aspects. Like an rastaman have his roots, Muslims have theres, Christians have theres and so on. Is there any problem with that? I would guess people would say no. Can I enjoi the difference too? I have a couple of spanish dogs. I wont say which, of security, but its a traditional dog I can say. The people who have them and breed them for a long time is very proud of there work, and they should be! Im a proud owner also. Anything wrong with that? Is it racist to be proud, enjoi or even saying hey, I want to conserve what I would to eat at Christmas? I looooove tandoori, but since I want to eat something traditionally from here, here at Christmas or Jul as we say. What about the Indians will they feel hurt? Or you know?

                Its not about being against "anything" or "anyone", in terms of cultural ID or genetic. Hell no. Come on, really? Thats what you think?

                But the theory presented suggest someone want to dilute many countries and cultures for there own benefit. Is that ok? I have a really big ego, just so you know, is it ok for everybody that I go to other countries to deliver my sperm to every women I see and pushing my agenda for the way I want everybody to live? I want everybody stoned 4:20, and I mean in the morning. Wake and bake mates. Everybody who doesnt blaze else is a traitor, and I F@((ing mean it! Church said missionary. I say, Doggy. I just love dogs, remember? Guess my sound at the end of the season aye?

                Im a mutt, so I have no problem with mixed breeding, and the least few person I have been with are not from my country. Oh yeah, also most of my friends are also not from my country. Sooo...... The racist card lack weight....

                So if Im not a racist.... (or Im a racist in the subconscious?(joke(?))) Im a allowed to ask, is it possible, that somebody is, are or can take control over an another population thru propaganda or manipualting search engines on the web? Cause if I understood the spanish right. Trump managed to brainwash right wing side, right? Is he a magician? Is it possible that others have tools to do it? Or is it always and only the "bad" guys (the told bad guys I mean) that can be able to project it and make it happen? Remember we are all bad mofos on this forum, cause we enjoi a plant, a flower. Think about it bad ass, flowers growers, sound a bit gay dont it? So, maybe we are not so bad ass after all, or are we? Ops, I forgot... I said gay, I must be against homos too? Naaah, I have had my fun Just fucking with ya mate, just watch your ass! My way, your way anything goes to night Im no painter, Im just an obeserver. Or? Anyway, pass it to left cause the right is wrong. That something we all know, right? or was it left again? Sides, can be so confusing? I rather walk the line, like Mr. cash.

                Wow, did anybody see that Documentary on Nexflix, cambridge analytica? Jesus, people are excellent on propaganda these days. It just show a "small" picture of what some tools can achieve.

                Please, and I really mean it. Debunk the theory. Cause in my own eyes I dont want this theory to be true. Thats the real deal.

                Much Love

                I got this link earlier from thread starter. Totally off topic. Or? I think its about time to put some more music on :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xMfIp-irg
                Of course, we should all be proud of what is good in our culture and spread it, just as we should correct what is bad.

                We simply say that the rediffusion of theories of any enlightened person, as if they were plans that really govern the world, to foment fear and hatred of the other, is a strategy of the current international ultra-right to get the most popular (traditionally leftist) vote and democratically come to power (since with their real agenda and programme they would not achieve it, and they do not have, yet, enough power to do it by force).
                These "enlightened plans" and others were already used by the Nazis to help them climb to power.
                I, who was born in the only (with my portugueses neightbors) and last (till 1977...40 year of fascism...) of the pre-WW II fascist dictatorships, also heard it as a mantra in my childhood from the mouth of the "Sentinel of the West"...

                And he breathes a sigh of relief; the ploy has also been denounced by our friend:


                Originally posted by Chi13 View Post
                Kalergi Plan: The Undying “White Genocide” Conspiracy Theory
                Similar to the "Great Replacement Theory," the "Kalergi Plan" is a false conspiracy theory that claims there is a plot to wipe out white Europeans.
                profile avatar
                by: Roland Clark on May 2, 2020

                Co-Written By Dr. Roland Clark and Dr. Nikolaus Hagen

                When Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi outlined his idea for a unified Europe in his book Paneuropa in 1923, the Tokyo-born Austrian politician had no idea that almost a hundred years later his name would be associated with an imaginary plot to wipe out white people through immigration and intermarriage.

                Kalergi was a tireless advocate for European unification, and served as president of the Paneuropean Union for almost fifty years. A liberal-conservative, he opposed both communism and racism, hoping that: “today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice.” Adolf Hitler’s Nazi Party bitterly attacked Coudenhove-Kalergi, asserting that his vision was a masonic plan to enslave Europe.

                Coudenhove-Kalergi left Freemasonry in 1926. Nonetheless, today’s references to “the Kalergi Plan” are common in right-wing websites and speeches. The conservative non-profit group Turning Point USA recently tweeted a photograph of its members encouraging people to educate themselves about the dangers of the Kalergi Plan, and the conspiracy theory is reported as fact in online news sources, such as Slovenia’s Democracija, Germany’s Epoch Times and Austria’s Zur Zeit.

                A Twitter search for the hashtag #Kalergi produces thousands of tweets from people warning that “the replacement of indigenous Europeans with ‘diversity’ is the ultimate goal of the ‘globalists’” and that “We caused the population explosion in Africa. Now we are enjoying the consequences. Europe will be African within a century.” The former British National Party leader, Nick Griffin, associated the Kalergi Plan with “Soros-backed leftists” in Czechoslovakia, who were apparently trying to prevent local television stations from reporting the “truth” about Muslim immigration. Most recently, right-wing bloggers have begun associating the “black Jewess” Meghan Markle with the Kalergi Plan.

                How did the Kalergi Plan become a major trope of right-wing discourse, when just two decades ago this alleged plan was virtually unknown? The apparent success of this conspiracy theory is as puzzling as it is distressing. It is a remarkable example of how globalized right-wing discourse has become in the last decade and how it openly resorts to tropes and claims originating in Nazi propaganda.

                The Origins Of The Kalergi Plan Conspiracy Theory
                In November 1940, the Völkischer Beobachter, the infamous official daily paper of the Nazi party, claimed: “Count Coudenhove-Kalergi […] the commercial prophet of Pan-Europe, a dressed-up, nasty mongrel, dreams of a world of Eurasian-Negroid humans, subject to the God-given rule of the Jews.” This claim was based on a distorted reading of his books combined with outright fabrications. Another Nazi newspaper asserted that Coudenhove-Kalergi was supported by “international Jewry and Freemasonry”. Coudenhove-Kalergi was not Jewish, but he did vehemently opposed anti-semitism – as had his father Heinrich, who had written his dissertation on the character of anti-Semitism.

                For the Nazis this was proof enough that he was indeed an agent of international Jewry. Further proof was, that – as an opponent of Nazism – Coudenhove-Kalergi had colluded with the fascist Dollfuß-Schuschnigg regime (often termed Austrofascism), arguably the (Austrian) Nazis biggest rival. In 1938, Coudenhove-Kalergi fled Austria and eventually lived in the United States until 1945.

                Couvenhove-Kalergi returned to Europe after the war, dying in Austria in 1972. Postwar agitation against Couvenhove-Kalergi was mostly confined to the radical right and neo-Nazi circles, whereas the conservative right hailed him as a prophet of European unity. This changed in the early 2000s. In 2003, Gerd Honsik, a prominent Austrian Holocaust-denier and Neo-Nazi, who had evaded imprisonment in the 1990s by fleeing to Spain, self-published a book about the alleged Kalergi Plan.

                The book, written in German, is now out of print. A translation of the book is however available online in Croatian. Honsik might have even coined the term “Kalergi Plan” himself, but the book’s content came straight from Nazi propaganda of the 1930s and 1940s. Although Honsik was a convicted felon on the run, he had remarkable connections to the then-governing Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ) and other right-wing circles, and promoted his views extensively on the internet and through far-right publications. Honsik’s theories thus infiltrated more mainstream right-wing discourse.

                Around 2005, Honsik also published an open letter to the Austrian and German presidents in seven languages, alleging that the United States purposely committed a genocide of 13.2 million Germans after 1945 and had – among a number of strategies – resorted to the “Kalergi Plan”, in order to implement this “genocidal” goal. This letter is still available on international “revisionist” and Holocaust-denial websites in different languages. Honsik’s book was also discussed in 2006 on the American Neo-Nazi internet forum, Stormfront. These are perhaps the earliest examples of how Honsik’s “Kalergi Plan” myth found its way into the American and international radical right.

                Meanwhile, in Hungary, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has popularized his own iteration of the Kalergi Plan myth: the Soros Plan. Over the past few years, Orbán’s regime has attacked the billionaire philanthropist repeatedly. They accuse him of masterminding attacks on the Hungarian nation through “liberal” educational institutions, such as Central European University, and of convincing the European Union to accept refugees.

                In 2019, the Hungarian government claimed that Soros was working together with Jean-Claude Junker to “to weaken member states’ rights to protect their own borders”. The eternal return of the Kalergi Plan (and its variants) suggests that – despite unparalleled access to information – our society has still not come very far beyond those which believed the Illuminati were the masterminds behind a new world order, or that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was an accurate record of a Jewish conspiracy for world domination.

                by: Roland Clark
                Dr. Roland Clark is a Senior Lecturer in Modern European History at the University of Liverpool and a Senior Fellow with the Centre for Analysis of the Radical Right. His first book, Holy Legionary Youth: Fascist Activism in Interwar Romania (Cornell UP, 2015) examined the experiences of rank and file fascists during the 1920s and 1930s. He has also published a number of book chapters and specialist journal articles on fascism, religion, and East European cultural history.
                https://rantt.com/the-kalergi-plan-explained
                Can't remember the name of your dogs' breed?
                You say they are protection dogs, don't you? ...Spanish Alano? Presa Canario? Dogo Canario? Majorero Canario? Ca de Bou? Ca de Bestiar? Mastin Español Leones?

                ...later I will tell you more about the fighting bulls here, which have nothing to do with the domestic cattle for meat, milk, or draught...because those are undomesticated, they live in open fields,
                and are herded on horseback and best accompanied by good dogs such as Alano Español, and the human selection when it has intervened has been only to enhance their bravery...

                Cheers!

                Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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                  Originally posted by Montuno View Post
                  Of course, we should all be proud of what is good in our culture and spread it, just as we should correct what is bad.

                  We simply say that the rediffusion of theories of any enlightened person, as if they were plans that really govern the world, to foment fear and hatred of the other, is a strategy of the current international ultra-right to get the most popular (traditionally leftist) vote and democratically come to power (since with their real agenda and programme they would not achieve it, and they do not have, yet, enough power to do it by force).
                  These "enlightened plans" and others were already used by the Nazis to help them climb to power.
                  I, who was born in the only (with my portugueses neightbors) and last (till 1977...40 year of fascism...) of the pre-WW II fascist dictatorships, also heard it as a mantra in my childhood from the mouth of the "Sentinel of the West"...

                  And he breathes a sigh of relief; the ploy has also been denounced by our friend:


                  Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
                  - There is no ploy to denounce - read up on what Count Coudenhove Kalergi wanted - a politically United Europe - creating a homogenous United States of Europe - The British people are not happy to be controlled by some European central government and the laws they make - far distant from these shores by un-elected (by British citizens) officials - so they voted out of it - they democratically voted to Brexit in a referendum - deal with it - if you see any fascism in any of that - you must be seriously deluded -

                  Ann Widdecombe’s full speech in the European Parliament below:

                  She said: “Thank you, President. It’s a great honour to speak on behalf of the largest single party in this place. And may I say, if I needed any convincing at all that the best thing for Britain is to leave here as soon as possible, it was the way those elections were conducted yesterday.

                  “If that is this places idea of democracy, then that is a serious betrayal of every country that is represented here because it is not democratic at all.

                  “That is just one of many reasons why Britain is right to be leaving this place, hopefully on Halloween.

                  “It is right because there is a pattern consistent throughout history of oppressed people turning on the oppressors. Slaves against their owners, the peasantry against the feudal barons, colonies, Mr Verhofstadt, against their empires and that is why Britain is leaving.

                  “It doesn’t matter which language you use, we are going and we are glad to be going.

                  “I represent the southwest of the United Kingdom. And I found on my very first day that this place has decided, well this place hasn’t, the powers that be have decided to actually increase the size of fisherman’s meshes, thereby reducing their income by 40 percent.

                  “That is what you do here. That is why we are going. Nous allons, wir gehen, we’re off!”

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUS0cBdFicI
                  - Ann Widdecombe likens Brexit to the emancipation of slaves in EU parliament speech
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                  'It can all start from a seed'

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                    (Jokin)

                    What I believe, Gypsy, is that Brexit is the result of a hidden agenda to free you from the problem of having to feed and suffer the bad character of the macaques in Gibraltar...and return the enormous problem to us.

                    Why, tell me what have you done to these poor animals during these long time to make them so bad tempered? Uninterrupted listening to Elton John's entire discography?

                    And on top of that, the asshole of my compatriot, trying to fix them with flags... Leave the flag and give a ham sandwich to the monkey, asshole, you'll see how that will make it better...

                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoRs1Po0SjE

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                      - Ya - you can keep those nasty mugging macaques - if they were Bonobo's then Britain would send a fleet of warships to rescue them - before they end up in a paella - or in Macaque-Tapas -

                      - When/if Gibraltar becomes under Spanish rule - you will have to de-program those damn Macaques - and stop tourists from showing them Planet of the Apes movies plus 'The Baboon Plan' conspiracy theory - or you will have the Mother of all Macaque rebellions on your hands - the Elton John music is just to keep them from listening to UK Grime music where they would learn about drive-by-shooting - and twerking - and Rambo knives - take my advice - just NEVER play 'Saturday Nights Alright for Fighting' (the trigger song) - by Elton - or you could have Spain's first simian insurrection - going down - and I would never wish that on my Spanish cousins -

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3WpzA6LiAo
                      Kingsman the Golden Circle (2017) - Popyland Fight Scene - with ELTON - HD

                      - oh yeah - after British rule - if you don't involve them with Spanish cuisine - you will have to send those Macaques off for several years of rehabilitation - and get some nicer, kinder inhabitants in their place - like this fella - and his mates -



                      *whatever you do - don't call him 'Big Nose!'






                      Originally posted by Montuno View Post
                      (Jokin)

                      What I believe, Gypsy, is that Brexit is the result of a hidden agenda to free you from the problem of having to feed and suffer the bad character of the macaques in Gibraltar...and return the enormous problem to us.

                      Why, tell me what have you done to these poor animals during these long time to make them so bad tempered? Uninterrupted listening to Elton John's entire discography?

                      And on top of that, the asshole of my compatriot, trying to fix them with flags... Leave the flag and give a ham sandwich to the monkey, asshole, you'll see how that will make it better...

                      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoRs1Po0SjE
                      'It can all start from a seed'

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                        Twerking? Did you said twerking?
                        My cousin is always dreaming of us leaving the goats, deserting the plough...and becoming reggaeton stars....
                        I'm not so sure about that... Im so old...

                        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OlE_0h6KRa0

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                          My generation was more dancehall, Gypsy ("dansjol", heh, we call it here...).
                          Now it's almost oldies music, heh...

                          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_SsV66oK8

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                            - I grew up with Jamaican-British friends into - Ska - Bluebeat - and Rocksteady - all three came together to make Reggae - and then Dub Reggae came out - Augustus Pablo was always a favourite of ours -

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztq7-kkygZk
                            - King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown -

                            Augustus Pablo - Rockers Meets King Tubby In a Fire House [full album] -
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=?u_w0u_LzIQ4




                            'It can all start from a seed'

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                              Originally posted by Gypsy Nirvana View Post
                              - What rules this world is - money - and those that create it out of thin air and loan it out thru all of the worlds central banks - Coudenhove Kalergi was said to be funded by the Warburg's - from the same group that funded the Bolshevik revolution and Hitler - and even in Kalergi's Pan-European ideas - Britain was not expected to be a part of any European Superstate - *check the first map on this 'thesis' link - https://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/51778/1/Thesis%20%25

                              - Britain didn't get involved in what I would call mass immigration - until the 1970's - before that and throughout all of British history we had what I would call 'controlled immigration' - very few migrants came to the UK in comparison to recent times - and most assimilated well into British culture - so becoming British themselves - As I went thru school in the 60's and 70's - it was a very different demographic than it is today - of course things change - but at the speed I have seen change happen - it has not been good for many native Brits - their culture and society - villages - towns - and cities - have been swamped by often invasive cultures from outside the UK - bringing much crime and a distinct clash of cultures because of it - with many thousands of casualties already -

                              - England/Wales/Scotland and Northern Ireland don't comprise so much as a land mass - when compared to such places as Australia - mass-unfettered immigration over the past decades has led to a distinct drop in what most people think is their 'quality of life' - due to another 20 million or so people from other nations pouring in - and being catered for - otherwise the majority of Brits would not have voted for Brexit - in the first place - the people spoke in that democratic referendum - that took 4 years of complete BS to finally enact after the British people had spoken with their vote - and I didn't even bother to vote either way - because I knew how most people felt - and was fairly sure that Brexit would happen anyway -




                              * an interesting 'prediction' from the late 1800's?
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                              It may seem like immigration was greater in the 70s but the numbers and legislatin don't bear this out.
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern...United_Kingdom

                              Think about the sheer numbers of people that must be involved in such a conspiracy like the Kalergi Plan. Laws can only be changed through Acts. Were both the Tory and Labor Party involved and controlled by this secret society? Was this the same with various political parties throughout Europe? After all for Immigaration to occur it needs Acts of Parliament to be changed.

                              Lastly that qoute attributed to Pike is an oft repeated hoax. Do you really think that someone accurately predicted world wars? To believe this you would need to believe in magic.
                              The qoute below may resonate with some. It reminds me of Qanon.

                              Those peddling the 3 World Wars quote are literally falling for a hundred year old hoax. The concept that Freemasonry is Satanism, Luciferianism or Devil Worship, is the very kind of close-minded religious dogma that Taxil was mocking all those years ago, and ironically his self-professed hoaxes are fanning the flames to this very day.

                              “The public made me what I am; the arch-liar of the period,” confessed Taxil, “for when I first commenced to write against the Masons my object was amusement pure and simple. The crimes I laid at their door were so grotesque, so impossible, so widely exaggerated, I thought everybody would see the joke and give me credit for originating a new line of humor. But my readers wouldn’t have it so; they accepted my fables as gospel truth, and the more I lied for the purpose of showing that I lied, the more convinced became they that I was a paragon of veracity.

                              “Then it dawned upon me that there was lots of money in being a Munchausen of the right kind, and for twelve years I gave it to them hot and strong, but never too hot. When inditing such slush as the story of the devil snake who wrote prophecies on Diana’s back with the end of his tail, I sometimes said to myself: ‘Hold on, you are going too far,’ but I didn’t. My readers even took kindly to the yarn of the devil who, in order to marry a Mason, transformed himself into a crocodile, and, despite the masquerade, played the piano wonderfully well.

                              “One day when lecturing at Lille, I told my audience that I had just had an apparition of Nautilus, the most daring affront on human credulity I had so far risked. But my hearers never turned a hair. ‘Hear ye, the doctor has seen Nautulius,’ they said with admiring glances. Of course no one had a clear idea of who Nautilus was I didn’t myself but they assumed that he was a devil. Ah, the jolly evenings I spent with my fellow authors hatching out new plots, new, unheard of perversions of truth and logic, each trying to outdo the other in organized mystification. I thought I would kill myself laughing at some of the things proposed, but everything went; there is no limit to human stupidity.”

                              – Leo Taxil, National Magazine, 1906.


                              https://adam.curry.com/art/1446649785_TnLeXr8Z.html
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
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                                ...although my younger cousins say that nowadays there are still big dancehall parties (I'm not that old...), albeit organised in big macro festivals...
                                Nothing to do with taking a lonely park by storm in the middle of the night with a boom box, and hitting it all night long Gypsy...

                                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCJ80-uGY0

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