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    I have a speculation then. If a Thai and Colombian were used, could it not be the same or a similar Thai/Colombian dominant Thai like was used in Neville's Haze or Afghan Haze? Then Cross that with a Cambodian, Laotian etc and viola you come to Kali Mist?
    Your best you try, to harm I and I, Aiming to kill.
    But I love you still Cause you are here to make prophecy fulfill.

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      Limeygreen we can say it may have this in it or that but only the breeder really knows but it was nothing like neviles haze or like afganix haze.

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        theres no colombian in the kali mist.i think theres definite thai in there
        in NYC around my way we say if it anint church it anint fire
        more incense and less nonsense

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          Sam

          I've got a question about the 'old days' in the late 1970's in California if you might be able answer.

          In and around Fallbrook, California (North San Diego County) beginning around 1976 or 1977 there started showing up in Laguna Beach down to San Diego the very first seedless pot. None of it had names yet but we would label the various jars with names like 'Christmas Tree' or 'Sweet Lemon' - you get the idea.

          From what I was told by people associated with the BOEL in Laguna Beach at the time was that the Fallbrook crowd was working with genetics the BOEL had brought out of Afghanistan, India, Mexico, etc. and seeds from a consortium of Thai stick importers out of San Diego.

          The Thai sticks came in 10 kg. packs with 9 kg. being thai sticks and the rest was stickless thai buds - dealer's choice type of product. Even then the street price was $10.00 per gram - 30 years ago. Amazing.

          I never knew what happened to those strains that they were working on and was curious if you had any information about their attempts at breeding.

          RE: Purple Sativas

          As early as 1968, I remember buying bags of 'purple pot' up and down the Baja California peninsula wherever surfers were hanging out & 'getting tubed' as the expression goes. The pot we bought from the Mexican teens came in all shades of purple, violet, blue and everything in between. It was very strong - much stronger than the usual stuff in and around Laguna Beach except for the hash dealers that had the killer pot out of Mexico and even Jamaica from time to time.

          Then again, Laguna Beach had been the epicenter of the importing of black Afghani in the late 60's and early 70's. That was about the time that the BOEL had a business connection with Timothy Leary in a rather unusual head shop in Laguna Beach called 'Mystic Arts World' where some of the biggest players in the hash deal hung out and played.

          Weird times.

          Thanks for any input you might have.

          Peace

          CC
          Last edited by Clackamas Coot; 04-15-2008, 20:09.
          One minute I held the key
          Next the walls were closed on me
          And I discoverd that my castles stand
          Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

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            I smoked some BOEL pot back in the late 60's but never saw any strains that were maintained in any way. I suspect they were lost or maybe used to make hybrids. This is pre-clones and strains had to be maintained by seed lines, and that is a lot more work and a lot harder. That is why we don't see them any more.

            -SamS

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              SamS

              I grew out some of the BOEL seeds, specifically the Afghani Indica strains, in the late 1980's with very limited success.

              Finding a 'keeper' was more challenging that one might have thought. All of the female plants showed massive resin levels and very strong structure but at the end of the day the 'punch' just wasn't there in the overwhelming majority of plants.

              They looked great but that was about it for the most part.

              BTW - a documentary came out in March about the BOEL and was produced by a son of one of the BOEL associates. It called "Orange Sunshine: The Story of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love" and there's a 10-minute trailer you can watch here

              Here's an article that was published in an Orange County weekly. It's titled "Lords of Acid" and does a good job of describing how much of the Afghani hash & some seeds found their way to the states.

              Thanks for your answer.

              CC
              One minute I held the key
              Next the walls were closed on me
              And I discoverd that my castles stand
              Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

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                Originally posted by Clackamas Coot
                In and around Fallbrook, California (North San Diego County) beginning around 1976 or 1977 there started showing up in Laguna Beach down to San Diego the very first seedless pot.

                From what I was told by people associated with the BOEL in Laguna Beach at the time was that the Fallbrook crowd was working with genetics the BOEL had brought out of Afghanistan, India, Mexico, etc. and seeds from a consortium of Thai stick importers out of San Diego.
                I used to visit my uncle in Fallbrook every summer in the 70's. At home we smoked only Mexican, some of which was very good. The Fallbrook bud my uncle had was VERY good, though. They were growing seedless as early as '74 (maybe earlier, I first saw it in '74). I would take samples home and blow my friends minds with it.

                Until '78 it was all sativas, from all over the world. By 1982 they were mostly sat/ind hybrids and pure indicas, all very good, but pure sativas were becoming rarer.

                Fallbrook has one of the best climates in the world for agriculture, and cannabis grows to perfection there with almost no effort. A lot of the biggest plant nurseries in the country are in Fallbrook. It is also surrounded by vast expanses of rugged, remote, brushy land in which to hide your plot (used to be, anyway). My uncle had lived there his whole life, and knew a lot of the growers. Most were locals, and they got their seeds from anyone and everyone. They all knew each other, but there was no formal organization I was aware of. Camp Pendleton Marine Base is right next door, and the troops brought good seeds from overseas (they would also buy up as much as the growers could grow). There were outsiders growing there too ("those damn hippies",maybe some of them were BOEL, but I never heard that name), and they brought seeds too. There was no single group or organization responsible. It was just the best spot in southern Cal (and therefore the world) to grow weed, and people did, with incredible success.

                If I had all the seeds that ended up in my uncle's ashtray, I would be a happy man!

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                  Originally posted by mofeta
                  It was just the best spot in southern Cal (and therefore the world)

                  What is it with some of you cali guys yes you got good weather so does many other places were i live my weathers here is just like southern Cali but do you see us here saying we have the best mj or best weather no man please this cali self stroking movement needs to stop cali like other areas many other areas would be growing didly if it was not for imported seed.

                  This type of remark only makes cali growers look aregent which most are not and would see it as i and many others also see it.

                  I don't live in the us and i can name places id bet would be as good to grow mj as cali..... Florida / Georgia .....to name but a few.

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                    Originally posted by Sam_Skunkman
                    I smoked some BOEL pot back in the late 60's but never saw any strains that were maintained in any way. I suspect they were lost or maybe used to make hybrids. This is pre-clones and strains had to be maintained by seed lines, and that is a lot more work and a lot harder. That is why we don't see them any more.

                    -SamS
                    A factually inaccurate statement.

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                      Heres a few more pic's of my Original Haze,the first is at 9-10 weeks with 3-4 to go...


                      And these are around 4 weeks into bloom...


                      Plant a Seed
                      &
                      Free The Weed

                      https://www.seedbay.com/vendor/crazy-x-seeds/

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                        Originally posted by mofeta
                        Fallbrook has one of the best climates in the world for agriculture, and cannabis grows to perfection there with almost no effort.
                        I won't argue whether or not North San Diego has 'one of the best climates in the world for agriculture' - let's say that this is a true fact. It's not but I'll leave that on the table.

                        While the 'climate' may be perfect - the other factor needed to grow plants is missing, i.e. water. Southern California does have great climate. It's also reclaimed desert, i.e. you have to bring in water to feed the plants.

                        Water was the main reason that the 100's & 100's of acres of avocado groves in and around Fallbrook that had been in production since the 1930's were destroyed in the late 1980's and the lands sold to real estate developers. Production of avocados has been in Chile since with cuttings of the famous Haas avocado tree sent down there.

                        The BOEL was not a group of hippies. They were a criminal enterprise so it's highly unlikely that they would have set up shop in Fallbrook with an announcement that "We're here! We're the Brotherhood!" - a few were stretched out enough on cocaine to have done that perhaps, but not too many I would think.

                        CC
                        Last edited by Clackamas Coot; 04-17-2008, 02:29.
                        One minute I held the key
                        Next the walls were closed on me
                        And I discoverd that my castles stand
                        Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

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                          marijuanamat
                          o.haze looks sick real ill lookin shit brotha.haze 4 days love too see a pic of som dry nugs.a smoke report would be exciting
                          in NYC around my way we say if it anint church it anint fire
                          more incense and less nonsense

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                            Originally posted by outlawed420
                            A factually inaccurate statement.

                            Meaning what? I meant that it is hard to maintain a Cannabis variety from seed only and that the BOEL varieties are not around in pure form anymore. If I am wrong then what variety is still around that was started/created by BOEL?
                            Of the maybe 500+ varieties available today from seed sellers, maybe a few are maintained by seed lines, all the rest 490+ are maintained with clones. The reasons are simple, to maintain a Canbnabis variety by seeds only requires much bigger yearly grows, while from clones requires only two plants.

                            -SamS
                            Last edited by Sam_Skunkman; 04-18-2008, 19:25.

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                              Originally posted by bigherb
                              marijuanamat
                              o.haze looks sick real ill lookin shit brotha.haze 4 days love too see a pic of som dry nugs.a smoke report would be exciting
                              I don't feed my haze much,i only feed her seaweed extract,molasses a little bio-bizz bloom , plus she's only in a 2 liter pot so i could keep the height in check.She's not got to long to go so i've stopped feeding her bio-bizz bloom and just give her alittle seaweed extract and molasses until harvest.
                              Plant a Seed
                              &
                              Free The Weed

                              https://www.seedbay.com/vendor/crazy-x-seeds/

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                                Strain preservation though seed, North County, etc.

                                Hi folks,

                                Sam, I didn't thank you for your answer to my post. Thank you. That's interesting. I also agree that seed is being used less and less to preserve strains and clones are now ubiquitous... It's rare to find anything true breeding today in seed form, never mind a (real) IBL in seed form. Emery was the king of slinging these exotic seed concoctions, although BCSeed had pretty true NL5 for a while.

                                Interesting about the BOEL....I've been living with spitting distance of all this and didn't know til now..I live between Fallbrook and Laguna...and yes, Hempy, California is all that and a bag of chips (please reference wink icon at top of thread that I tried unsuccessfully to insert here)

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