Tom Hill Haze

harvestreaper said:

i still dont understand how the terps from the haze s neville used can be read thru a cross to nl ,,did anyone smoke a or c uncrossed ?

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That would be possible when you pick up the similarities through a number of different outcrosses.....its a good way of knowing the exact traits the plant in comon is passing on....so for eg...nl5xhzC, g13xhzC, skxhzC, afgxhzC, hwnxhzC, dubnxhzC, slvpxhzC, and then again the same for hazeA...

Any breeder who knows what they are doing when actually taking on a strain as their own dont just take the strain an inbreed further.... If the possibility is there and that breeder had sense he would take the very parent seeds that make that specific strain....
After sam took the right to the "originally haze" strain in 1980/81 he came out with a mock listing.....

New years haze
Burning bush
Haze#1
Haze#2
Haze#3
Haze#4
Brians haze
Someone can put up the actual listing if they want as it contains other stuff too

Around this time 80/81 sam describes growing out plants with unique individual traits...one of these he himself gave the name burning bush to.....another unique haze with unique to it traits he knick named crem'dela crem...and another mr greasy.....

By the time he arives in Holland in 1984 and a year or so later when he begins to save and reproduce original haze he some how has to go to a dozen or so seeds that were collected from trimming original haze grown by the haze brothers in 1976......there are around this time some write ups about sam saving haze but unfortunately the earler stock was lost

Sam got hold of nevil days after arriving in Holland and nevil mentioned huge bags of seed..with sam also mentioning selling by the killo...nevil also stated sam had a large number of half of these seeds in his possession....nevil also mentions that he was told the seed was old and the germination may be low...and that the seeds were ancestors and something about being ancestors of burning bush.....

The only person ever to describe plants from his haze seeds like those sam had described in 80/81 is nevil....were those seeds the very parents and ancestors to later made hazes...work that out for your selves.....there was a reson haze/haze hybrids coming from those plants were on another league at the time....nevil made nlxhaze....so did sam...both made skhz....the quality wasn't so much coming from the match ups but more so the blood line of the old ancestral haze.

Quote from sam.....anyway it is now pretty hard to tell but what most have was pure Colombian(which he admitted was a guess at the make up), green, purple, lime green, silver, magenta, blueish, I saw all this before Haze had anything besides Colombian in it. A little bit has Thai, and even less has S Indian.end quote

So haze today is mostly the pure 1976 haze but a little bit has thai and a bit has south indian.......probably Mexican and skunk in tiny amounts in some batches too.....wich is why you probably see those differences in the Holland made different batches of haze.....more than likely toms has durban thai in it which is were the colour probably comes from...and his being the only one with those colours in some phenotypes....as sams 76 haze was known as the silver blue type in its original form was true breeding...

harvestreaper said:

after everything is considered carefully from sam and nev an toms work and mouths i can see only one way outta this shit ,,,,,,get them seeds in the dirt people

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The Haze wars needs to end and if you want my honest opinion it is stupid to argue about something that involved non of us.

They are all Haze even the Haze Brothers had diffrent versions to the story.

One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.

-SamS

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We are lucky to still have Haze around and lucky it fell into Sam Nevil and Tom and other peoples hands. Seed were sold shared and will continue to be grown by any that want them that is the part we should be happy about.

Let's not deify our heroes. Frame them in the correct setting. I wouldn't knock the importance of Nevil's work, nor am I saying that Nevil didn't believe that males were magical mystics with memories. But to say it's inappropriate to correct misinformation is dogmatic.
A Y chromosome is only 1 in 20. An X chromosome's non recombining region is the same as a male's, therefore in both sexes, you have the same percentage of "for ease of conversation" unchanged information.
I will leave it at that, but that does need to be pointed out.

TheDarkStorm said:

That would be possible when you pick up the similarities through a number of different outcrosses.....its a good way of knowing the exact traits the plant in comon is passing on....so for eg...nl5xhzC, g13xhzC, skxhzC, afgxhzC, hwnxhzC, dubnxhzC, slvpxhzC, and then again the same for hazeA...

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i understand prodigy testing and agree fair point

If it aint church for me its not Haze.
My cut of JH while burning.
Is straight frankie with addes sandalwood and spices.
It instant feel the room even if you smoke it you can smell it all around.
Sometimes in morning if you smoked it all day you feel incense/spice on in your loungs and mouth.

Other phenos were piney/sandalwood/camphor,rosemary...

Its not church but shure smell in air is oriental and special I will say not church but hazy/ balsamic.

Original White Widow also have phenos that smell balsamic/hazy...
Bandaid Haze have that smell in Air close to ww and other phenos of Jack I had.

But this smell have nothing to do with church smell.

Bandaid haze - why the name Bandaid? Does it smell like the adhesive you get on fabric plasters or savlon?

I get that smell in MN AfgHz.

THH to me was sandlewood, lime, frankincense, leather/goats, old musty books, cola/root beer, oily metallic shavings

The smell of burning frankincense when it burns a bit rather than melts is a smell similar to leather/goats/musty books. Frankincense when melting is similar to lime fruit polos.

THH Haze

Trouble is a smell can smell different to different people.

I've been smoking THH hash. The whole house smells of incense. Vistors ask what insense i'm burning...

Smells Gingery/Sandlewoody as hash but it's mixed with a couple of other hazes.

GMT said:

Let's not deify our heroes. Frame them in the correct setting. I wouldn't knock the importance of Nevil's work, nor am I saying that Nevil didn't believe that males were magical mystics with memories. But to say it's inappropriate to correct misinformation is dogmatic.
A Y chromosome is only 1 in 20. An X chromosome's non recombining region is the same as a male's, therefore in both sexes, you have the same percentage of "for ease of conversation" unchanged information.
I will leave it at that, but that does need to be pointed out.

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I will let Nevil respond to that.

hailing from SC Mtn’s…..had two sources of Haze late 70’s……………one tended in Boulder Creek the other Watsonville……both favored Purp phenos ……clean, clear, and actually HIGH…..not sedated…..great bodysurfing gear…..
ganj on…….

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I will let Nevil respond to that.

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Sam_Skunkman said:

Transform males to female and smoke them & lab analyse them if you want to see what they can contribute to a line. Takes a lot less time then making hybrids with males & your favorite female clones then growing them out to see what the males contributed. Or use both methods. I use both but transforming males to female is a game changer to find elite males to keep.

Male clones transformed to Female to judge male smoking quality

Has anyone done this? -SamS Fertile female flowers can be induced in male plants by ethephon (2-chloroethanephosphonic acid) and NIA 10637 (ethylhydrogen-l-propylphosphonate). Interestingly, stamens could be seen arising even from fruits. Stopping the application of growth regulators caused...

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Cannabis Genetics 101​

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Have you ever wondered about the genetics of Cannabis? Humans have 46 chromosomes in total; we have a diploid genome (2n = 46) or 22 pairs and two sex chromosomes. Females have two X chromosomes and males have an X and a Y chromosome. Yep….this isn’t new to most folks. However, did you know that the Cannabis plant also has a diploid genome but only has a total of 20 chromosomes. Each plant cell nucleus has 9 autosomes with a pair of sex chromosomes; an X and a Y just like humans in fact. Well, not just like humans but kind of.
Human sex chromosomes are vastly different in size; the X chromosome is 155.3 Mb and has approximately 833 genes where the human Y chromosome is 59.4 Mb and contains approximately 72 known genes. The human haploid genome size equals approximately 3,300 Mb. Comparatively, the total cannabis genome haploid size is 818 Mb for female species and 843 Mb for males. The size difference is accounted for by the larger Y chromosome in male plants.
Gene expression patterns are variable in plants, similar to humans. In humans, different tissues have different roles so genetic expression is regulated in unique and complex ways. In plants, most of the cells are similar in form and function; metabolic pathways and expression are far less diverse, but still manage to produce different phenotypes. For example, the flower cells of the cannabis plant show expression patterns for cannabinoids and terpenoids in all phases of flower development compared to the rest of the plant components. The highest density of trichomes, which produce cannabinoids, are found within the female plant flowers.
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What do we know about the unknown/legendary Colombian Gold?​

25/75 indica/sativa landrace from colombia., giving as a result a mixture of pure lines come from santamarta zone. The history dates tell us that this variety was used by Simon Bolivar in his trips around amazonas, in which he interchanges spices and medicinal plants with natives during his conquests. High, vigorous and branched, its smell is sweet and intense, stands out for its flavour and powerfull psicodelic effects.

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Recently from what I have read was that OT haze was from one of the last reproductions of haze in Cali.
@Sam_Skunkman lived with Wernard (Positronics) when he arrived from USA haze #19 THH ?

Old positronics strain. Seedling No.19 out of an original-Haze selection. The seeds was given to Wernard from Sam the Skunkman

Tom Hills Haze Description​

Haze is a four-way hybrid of some of the finest narrow-leaf tropicals that the world has ever known (Mexico, Colombia, S. India, Thailand), so the legend goes. A long flowering plant that gives wispy yields of the highest quality. This line is out of Sam Skunkmans stock by way of Positronics seeds ("Original Haze") circa mid 1990's. It does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced. Indoor flowering 14 to 16 weeks

Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering: 14-16 weeks

Dutch Flowers' Metal Haze Description​

Experienced smokers know nothing comes close to the potency of a true Haze. Growers also know this, but long flowering periods, unruly phenotypes, and the infamous 1-in-5-crapshoot chance of finding a special female have held many back. Breeding an indoor-friendly Haze strain that consistently delivers superior potency has been the very focus of DF breeding efforts since its inception. To that end, the team has collected and grown enough clones and crosses to setup a small Haze museum. Synthesizing our best Haze genetics into one line posed a considerable challenge. In early trials, proven clones passed down their potency genes on to the next generations using an unacceptable, unpredictable domino pattern. To develop a superior seed line, males were tested the hard way, growing out their offspring to recognize the best possible pollen source. Winning donors pollinated our choicest females, and their offspring was then heavily selected at the second generation. Recombinant individuals displaying the desired potency, phenotype, flowering and yield traits were identified and inbred into separate lines. Three years after the project begun, the resulting lines were finally blended, giving rise to our Metal Haze, a hybrid that received high praise from skeptic industry testers. Named after the metal-lit room that keeps our Haze clone collection alive, Metal Haze displays the brain-warping quality that fueled the legend. It is a modern, trippy cerebral sativa, with classic psychoactive soar and scant body cues. Connoisseurs report a deadly, creeper with no ceiling, combination of effects. The phenotype is fully suitable for indoor growing, with a branching habit resulting in an abundance of dense, oily, attractive buds. Aromas range from animal sour spice to sweet piney mint, often accompanied by rotten meat undertones. Overindulging the Metal Haze is not recommended for the sativa sensitive or the inexperienced. It is a deceptively smooth smoke that starts out uplifting and super-active -ideal for musicians and creative types- and climbs ever higher in a succession of intense waves, taking perception to uncharted lands. We trust the virtues bred into Metal Haze to earn its place in discriminating gardens, and satisfy demanding sativa aficionados.

Flower: 56 - 77 days
Indoor / Outoor
Yield: 450 - 500 grams/m²
Phenotype: Indica-sativa
Effect: Ultra Strong Sativa

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No Mercy about the Santa-Maria F8 (actual version):
After having crossed a Santa Maria with a Mexican Haze and a Silver Pearl and inbreeding the resulting plant for 4 generations, one male was selected to pollinate a pure Santa Maria mother. After this we inbred 8 times by backcrossing a male/son with the mother (a pure Santa Maria). Scientifically spoken an F6 should be pure, but according to our experience cannabis plants become truly pure only in F8. In other words: this Santa Maria is pure. A good and fast “white” plant for both indoor and outdoor. Santa Maria’s have proven themselves over and over again for the last 15-17 years. This exotic variety has very powerful erotic effects.

CANNATORIUM said:

If it aint church for me its not Haze.
My cut of JH while burning.
Is straight frankie with addes sandalwood and spices.
It instant feel the room even if you smoke it you can smell it all around.
Sometimes in morning if you smoked it all day you feel incense/spice on in your loungs and mouth.

Other phenos were piney/sandalwood/camphor,rosemary...

Its not church but shure smell in air is oriental and special I will say not church but hazy/ balsamic.

Original White Widow also have phenos that smell balsamic/hazy...
Bandaid Haze have that smell in Air close to ww and other phenos of Jack I had.

But this smell have nothing to do with church smell.

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Was this Jack Here from a seed line or as clone?

I just trimed this THH X A5hbx x Mac.. She has a solid Stinky Pine nose to her. A bit harsh from letting her dry too quickly. Overall very nice!. I was surprised by how faded I got this morning from a few bog rips. I was glued to the couch lol. It seemed to get stronger as time passed.

Gold

browntrout said:

Was this Jack Here from a seed line or as clone?

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Recent seed line from Sensi...it's just gossip that the Sensi genetics are no longer the same. If you buy regular seeds, everything is the same as always. For feminized seeds I do not guarantee.


Here you can see erthing.

Two sterile male tom hill haze.

pretty as a picture looks lovely yaxu

Chimera x THH x P41 testers. This pheno did not stretch much for the 1st 30 days. She has added 6" since the last pics were taken. Chimera stretches big time, I thought she might pass on that trait. So far its not bad.

sdd420 said:

Tom said his selection of haze was fruity and also said when he went to Amsterdam and smoked the haze it was not fruity but instead it was spicy church type smell..he thought his leaned towards the Thai

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I just scored some THH