Tom Hill Haze

[Piff_cat]

is there northern lights in toms haze ,
i dont think so piffy man ,
thats nevils stuff your stuck on ,

i grew tom hill haze eons ago , like 20 years back,
it reminded me of thai too , some sour mango going on there ,
no incense at all ,
just like the local weed here , in fact , side by side they were exactly the same and you couldn t tell them apart ,
and the local stuff here was from thai stock ,
nice racy uplifting sativa high , very strong if grown to its full potential ....

it seems to me , and others from what i read,
that toms haze is crossed with thai ,
or its the thai leaning stuff sam talked about before ,
only dna testing would tell us i guess , but it would be my guestimation anyhow ..

I don't mean you need nl5 to get church just take it increased the expression already present in haze. If a line is in the basal position it means there will be a shared ancestor and a portion of the offspring will represent this ancestor chemotype/genotype. . This portion is called transgressive segregation qnd is inheritabile unlike hybrid vigor.
However inbreeding to siblings of the line outside of thus transgressive group of desirable throwback can damage and reduce their population. When this happens Mediocre phenos inject undesirable genes further diluting the throwback occurrence and later gens become intermediate homogenized junk hence the "5 percent" claim.
. Nev described his first pure female haze plant huge strong church hanging in the air. This plant was from earliest bag so incense phenotypes are certainly big part of haze phenotypes.i consider Tom Hill haze as the closest to original described plants but since they were further gen down the f gen line by then the specialized terpenes like santalene incense could have been silenced. Good way to test this would be to cross t hill to nevs nl5 and see what gets pulled out. Guiaol ocimene and alpha bisqbolol are deeply impeded into rare gene groups related to location which still hold sway in New homes.
Guiaol and eudesmol are sting oxygenated terpenes present in many medicinal plants in yunnan, xinijiang,Xinjiang,, Tibet, afghanistan such as palo Santo, guiacwood, agarwood, holy basil and ferula. Bisabolol and cannabis even share a rare bisqbolol synthase group which turns bisqbolol into santalene in reaction to specific heavy metals.

 

[Donald Mallard]

yea i recall nevil saying folks didnt like the smell of that cannbis burning from that plant he grew ,
and that it lingered in the air ,
though im not sure that indicates all haze prior to that plant had similar qualities ,
one would have to ask sam about that i guess ,
i dont see him mention the smell of the smoke anywhere , more the affect and quality of the high ,

given toms haze reminds a lot of people , himself included of thai ,
its possible it is in fact thai x haze , perhaps thats why no church like qualities in that stuff where the smoke is concerned ....
he was a bit upset when folks said it should have those notes , he never came across it in that line as far as i recall him saying ...
some old colombian gold we used to get that was grown in australia from colombian seed used to have slightly smelly smoke ,, a bit spicy smelling ,
it was more a yellow than gold color , but then ive seen plenty of yellow colored gold since then ... lol ..

 

[Raco]

Another revegged THH P1 ...reflowered under a skylight ..few hours of direct sunlight

 

[CosmicGiggle]

Beautiful, old school look Raco.

 

[Piff_cat]

yea i recall nevil saying folks didnt like the smell of that cannbis burning from that plant he grew ,
and that it lingered in the air ,
though im not sure that indicates all haze prior to that plant had similar qualities ,
one would have to ask sam about that i guess ,
i dont see him mention the smell of the smoke anywhere , more the affect and quality of the high ,

given toms haze reminds a lot of people , himself included of thai ,
its possible it is in fact thai x haze , perhaps thats why no church like qualities in that stuff where the smoke is concerned ....
he was a bit upset when folks said it should have those notes , he never came across it in that line as far as i recall him saying ...
some old colombian gold we used to get that was grown in australia from colombian seed used to have slightly smelly smoke ,, a bit spicy smelling ,
it was more a yellow than gold color , but then ive seen plenty of yellow colored gold since then ... lol ..

i dont think haze needs to have church to be haze but this all goes way past general terms like thai and colombian. they certainly matter somewhat but the genetic control primal cannabis plants are under originates in tibet/yunnan etc. and where they go from there before ending up in cali. tibet/yunnan/uttakarhand/nepal are all known for huge diversity of medicinal plants including cannabis, mulberry, rhododendrons which all use sequiterpenes and chromene meroterpenoids to fight fungi/microbes/insects/herbivores. earliest generations of haze are the last strings going back to these basal plants. so the terpene profiles are going to reflect this. so far roughly the list goes- andong south korea candy pine/lemon thc/cbc/cbg ether cannabinoid profile limonene, pinene, carene, guiaol , eudesmol
thai high in farnese which guards against humidity and along with nerol a central intermediate pre cursor terpene which can be modified further with cytochrome 450 enzyme
japan- leather/church/wildflowers, eugenol, guiacum, ocimene thc,cbc,cbl,cbt,cbgm
nepal- thcv,thc, cbg ocimene etc. major genetic work has uncovered cool stuff last few years including finding a yunnan cannabis maternal haplotype equal to hops. xinijiang/tibet/yunnan/sichuan have been identified as basal and feral lines sister to all others. cbc was found to be an active cannabinoid rather then an artifact or endpoint. cbca is modified by 9 different cbt synthases to create cbt 1-9. these high chromene levels are the best trait for tracing back haze from clone only and seedlines to original home. the piffcon results showed us 69 haze progeny is full of chromene cannabinoids which are barely found in indian ganja or african where thcv is the most prevalent 2nd cannabinoid. in 2015 the first natural tetraploid population was found in nw himalayas and surrounding areas had aneuploids/mixoploids which most likely represent gene flow from the tetraploid on down. testing semi feral ganja in india its found that aneuploidity runs rampant as well as cytomixis(more then one nucleus) these plants had special seed morphology and structure which enabled insane growth characteristics. this polyploidity is either caused by high thc itself (been shown crude can mess up meiosis) or the extreme enviorment- these areas with high altitude cold temperatures put alot of pressure on plants with huge numbers of polyploid compared to other regions.

 

[harvestreaper]

i was always under the impression neville sold haze crosses so im a lil baffled on the terp convo of the haze neville used ,, do we know for a fact it was a pure haze and if so did anyone else smoke it ? apologies if i missed something painfully obvious as it wont be for the first time lol

 

[Asiatica]

Excellent thread. Great info. Thanks for sharing.

 

[sdd420]

Tom said his selection of haze was fruity and also said when he went to Amsterdam and smoked the haze it was not fruity but instead it was spicy church type smell..he thought his leaned towards the Thai

 

[herbgreen]

i was always under the impression neville sold haze crosses so im a lil baffled on the terp convo of the haze neville used ,, do we know for a fact it was a pure haze and if so did anyone else smoke it ? apologies if i missed something painfully obvious as it wont be for the first time lol

The Nevils haze is NL5 Haze A X Haze C

Nevil obtained original haze seeds from SamS

 

[herbgreen]

I think these things can be found in the todds haze, haze-4-daze

harvestreaper did you find incense in those so far?

Its the Nevils haze smoke that leaves the air of nag champa or frankincense

Its haze A.... more of the haze in question there

And NL5 is part hawaiian ... thai/mexican/afghani

I think the first generations of Nevils haze very edgy,heart race haze C

That's what good about the TFD boneyard and todds, and ICmag

Find new things.....

 

[harvestreaper]

The Nevils haze is NL5 Haze A X Haze C

Nevil obtained original haze seeds from SamS

i still dont understand how the terps from the haze s neville used can be read thru a cross to nl ,,did anyone smoke a or c uncrossed ?

 

[harvestreaper]

I think these things can be found in the todds haze, haze-4-daze

harvestreaper did you find incense in those so far?

Its the Nevils haze smoke that leaves the air of nag champa or frankincense

Its haze A.... more of the haze in question there

And NL5 is part hawaiian ... thai/mexican/afghani

I think the first generations of Nevils haze very edgy,heart race haze C

That's what good about the TFD boneyard and todds, and ICmag

Find new things.....

the two i kept from todds was 3 and 7 ,,,, 3 very much reminded me of the old haze5 cut we had in 80s fruity with leather and leaves a disintive smell in the air like the haze5 i would not call it like nag champa tho ,,the 7 was a more sharper citrus metal smell closer to thh and was the strongest ive just bred both along with 3 thh phenos to mm original haze so should be interesting sifting thru those

 

[herbgreen]

i still dont understand how the terps from the haze s neville used can be read thru a cross to nl ,,did anyone smoke a or c uncrossed ?

C was a male ...A was lost

C5 and A5 are clones out there in S1 form

Nevil had a few females up to 7 plants I think

Yeah, its mystery

More interesting is grow out the haze... Original haze

 

[@hempy]

i still dont understand how the terps from the haze s neville used can be read thru a cross to nl ,,did anyone smoke a or c uncrossed ?

Nevil had posted that information.

HzA produced leather / liver /metal type smells.

HzC produced fruity types example the 5HzC 122 mango smells.

There are also other traits each HzA and HzC pass on that each dont share.

The frame of the plant the look of the flower the differences are more than just smells.

 

[harvestreaper]

Nevil had posted that information.

HzA produced leather / liver /metal type smells.

HzC produced fruity types example the 5HzC 122 mango smells.

There are also other traits each HzA and HzC pass on that each dont share.

The frame of the plant the look of the flower the differences are more than just smells.

that makes sense ,,, thanks hempy,,,, i guessed i musta overlooked something,,,do you know if others smoked them ?

 

[JohnnyChicago]

i still dont understand how the terps from the haze s neville used can be read thru a cross to nl ,,did anyone smoke a or c uncrossed ?

It's a (NL x HzA) x HzC cross. Therefore not so difficult to read, if you know well the NL, the A5 clone(s) and the OH.
If you do not, then just grow more NL; OH; NLHaze, A5 crosses and HazeC progeny.

And yes we are many who have smoked Nevils HzB x HzC. I have family members and friends who have. Only that these people are not online on cannabis forums. 17 years I am searching. There is nobody.

 

[@hempy]

It took me many years of growing Nevils and Shantis Haze lines and talking to Nevil and Shanti to figure out the differences between HzA and HzC sire lines.

The only line i grew that ever had a hint of nl5 come threw was the SSH and i hated it and i canned it.

The HzB fem going by Nevil even tho it came from pure Haze seed did not grow or look like a pure Haze. Nevil said it looked like Haze x to a early type.

Even when HzB was crossed to HzC it was flowered and ready for harvest out doors in 10 to 11 weeks.

 

[harvestreaper]

It's a (NL x HzA) x HzC cross. Therefore not so difficult to read, if you know well the NL, the A5 clone(s) and the OH.
If you do not, then just grow more NL; OH; NLHaze, A5 crosses and HazeC progeny.

And yes we are many who have smoked Nevils HzB x HzC. I have family members and friends who have. Only that these people are not online on cannabis forums. 17 years I am searching. There is nobody.

i dont quite follow johnny are you saying youve smoked the purehazes nevile had or youve smoked hybrids like neviles hz,??i was asking if anyone smoked them pure ?,as to the nl5 x hz i do not know what one it was A or C but the best i ever had till now was the cut we held here in uk in 80s its the same way with nl5 cut we held at same time ,,never had it equalled only weaker versions to this day ,, im very familiar with both of those ,,,,,todds pheno 3 reminded me of the old haze 5 cut in terps but i would only be able to assume not know it came only from the pure haze side in the nl5 x haze i had in past as some think todds hz contains nl5 etc which of course muddies the waters for me ,,,, ive never grown nevilles haze and ive only grown one pure seedsman haze batch in past ive smoked one or two haze hybrids over the years but always room for more lol

 

[harvestreaper]

It took me many years of growing Nevils and Shantis Haze lines and talking to Nevil and Shanti to figure out the differences between HzA and HzC sire lines.

The only line i grew that ever had a hint of nl5 come threw was the SSH and i hated it and i canned it.

The HzB fem going by Nevil even tho it came from pure Haze seed did not grow or look like a pure Haze. Nevil said it looked like Haze x to a early type.

Even when HzB was crossed to HzC it was flowered and ready for harvest out doors in 10 to 11 weeks.



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interesting hempy thats pretty quick altho i have seen sam mention they dont all need to be super long flowering to be any good or a pure haze ,, nevil seems to be saying in that post that hazes he used were hybrids as hes saying he suspects B was a cross and the same with O or am i reading it wrong ??

 

[@hempy]

interesting hempy thats pretty quick altho i have seen sam mention they dont all need to be super long flowering to be any good or a pure haze ,, nevil seems to be saying in that post that hazes he used were hybrids as hes saying he suspects B was a cross and the same with O or am i reading it wrong ??

Hiya mate no the first Female and the 2 males used were what we would expect in a long flowering sativa the first female after 9 months of flower was still flowering and that plant going by Nevil resembled the HzA side.

No Haze line from Nevil or from shantis i selected from seed came in fast even a 50% haze hybrid can go 20 or over weeks.

My Nevils Haze are all long flowering as are my Mango Haze F2s even the Afghan Haze is long flowering.