What's new

Bill C-15 has passed in Canada. You will get 6 Months prison for one plant. ORGANIZE.

S

slartibartfast4

Member
I was super pleased to see that in the paper today though it was well hidden and consisted of about 2 paragraphs. Suprised to see the liberals doing the right thing as they have been pretty useless as of late.
Slart
 
beanja

beanja

Member
New bill gets introduced in fall , hard to say whats gonna be in it but its probably not good for cannabis cultivating.
 
F

FrankDiscussion

Member
The mandatory minimums legislation will be reintroduced this fall within an "omnibus" crime bill (a collection of all previously un-passed Conservative crime bills).

Harper has full control now with a majority government, so there is little to stop him from passing the mandatory minimums legislation -- except public outrage -- and Harper has concealed the details of this legislation, so the public doesn't even realize there is something to be outraged about!


Conservative majority would hustle crime bills into law all at once
April 07, 2011
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...me-bills-into-law-all-at-once/article1975719/


Crime and punishment: Inside the Tories’ plan to overhaul the justice system
May 21, 2011
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/0...e-tories-plan-to-overhaul-the-justice-system/


States cut drug penalties as Canada toughens them
Jun 17, 2011 - CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/06/17/pol-mandatory-minimums.html
(* a very good audio clip included with this article)



More info...
Mandatory Minimum Sentences for Drug Offences
http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/mandatoryminimums.html

-FrankD
 
F

FrankDiscussion

Member
Crime decreasing but feds won't change 'all stick, no carrot' law and order bill

Crime decreasing but feds won't change 'all stick, no carrot' law and order bill

Crime decreasing but feds won't change 'all stick, no carrot' law and order bill

August 15, 2011
By JESSICA BRUNO
Hill Times

Controversy over the accuracy of Statistics Canada's national crime rate, which fell again this year to its lowest since 1973, has entered the debate about the Conservatives' upcoming omnibus crime bill, but opposition critics aren't hopeful the numbers will spark any change to the laws.

NDP MP Joe Comartin (Windsor-Tecumseh, Ont), his party's justice critic, said that while StatsCan's crime statistics regime is not perfect, it's still the best in the world.

"It's not perfect: we've got small police forces who don't feed in all the information they should be; we've got busy police forces in metropolitan areas that sometimes slip up and reports don't come in," he explained.

Mr. Comartin, vice-chair of the House Justice and Human Rights Committee, said that he's "not optimistic at all" that the government will be open to amending the legislation to take in expert analysis.

Statistics Canada's latest report, released July 21, show that the volume of crimes, as reported by police forces nation-wide, has declined five per cent in 2010, from 2009 levels. There were decreases in the number of homicides, attempted murders, serious assaults and robberies that took place last year as well. There were also increases in some kinds of crime, including the number of sexual assaults, child pornography and drug offences reported, the agency found.

The report comes as the Conservative government prepares to introduce an omnibus crime bill which packages 'law and order' legislation not passed in the last Parliament. The Conservatives campaigned on introducing and passing bill "within 100 sitting days of the new Parliament."

Michael Aubie, a spokesperson for Justice Minister Rob Nicholson (Niagara Falls, Ont.), said details about just what laws will be in the bill "will be announced in due course."The government has until early March to introduce and pass the bill if it is to remain within the 100 sitting day timeframe.

The crime bills which died on the order paper when the spring election was called include:

* C-60, the Citizen's Arrest and Self-Defence Act;
* C-54, Protecting Children from Sexual Predators;
* C-51, Investigative Powers for the 21st Century;
* C-50, Improving Access to Investigate Tools for Serious Crimes;
* C-39, ending Early Release for Criminal and Increasing Offender Accountability;
* C-23b, Eliminating Pardons for Serious Crimes;
* C-17 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (investigative hearings and recognizance with conditions);
* C-16 Ending House Arrest for Property and Other Serious Crimes by Serious and Violent Offenders;
* C-5 Keeping Canadians Safe (International Transfer of Offenders;
* C-4 Sebastien's Law (Protecting the Public from Violent Young Offenders) and
* S-10, Penalties for Organized Drug Crime, which has had its first reading in the House of Commons after being passed by the Senate.
[See: CHART: Bill S-10's Proposed Mandatory Sentences]


Anywhere from eight to 12 bills are expected to be in the omnibus bills. Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page has said that assuming the prison population, which has already begun to climb, stays level, the crime bills could cost $1-billion a year over the next five years, when it comes to building facilities to house new inmates. He's also stated that the government has not been transparent enough about the costs of the crime bills.
[Note: The Conservative government Cabinet was found to be in contempt of Parliament for this very reason.]

David MacDonald, a researcher and economist with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives said he thinks the government's crime agenda is divorced from statistical reality.

"The problem with some of the ideological programs that the Conservatives are putting through is that they're just completely disconnected from the facts. This is certainly the case with the crime statistics," he said.

But Scott Newark, a researcher with the Macdonald-Laurier Institute, said Statistics Canada's numbers aren't so straightforward and lack some important details.

"What StatsCan reports is police-reported crime, not actual crime," said Mr. Newark, who also served as a special adviser to Stockwell Day in 2006 when he was public safety minister.

"In fairness, it has to be this way because you can't with any statistical accuracy report what the people themselves aren't reporting to the police, that's logical. But, we've got to pay attention to the fact that essentially people are increasingly not reporting crime. It's not helpful to blend everything together and go 'Don't worry, be happy. The overall crime rate is down,'" he said.

[*Note: Scott Newark is described as "a former Alberta crown prosecutor who is now a security consultant." He is much more than that. See: What CTV didn't tell you about Scott Newark]

He pointed to Statistics Canada's general social survey on victimization, which asks Canadians older than 15 to report whether she or he was a victim of a crime in the last 12 months. Statistics Canada intends the research to be taken into consideration with the official crime rate.

The last survey, which was done in 2009, found that only 31 per cent of all criminal incidents were reported to police, which was down from 34 per cent in 2004.

Mr. MacDonald said that even if it were possible to statistically factor in the country's unreported crimes, he doesn't think it would change the 20-year decline in crime.

"I think that the overall trend is clear, irrespective of how you measure it: crime is going down," he said.

Both he and Mr. Newark noted that as the population ages, there are few people in the demographic that commits the most crimes.

"That's a result as much of demographics as anything else. As the population ages that key men from 15 to 25 demographic that are the ones perpetrating the most crimes, there are fewer of them," said Mr. MacDonald.

Mr. Newark would like to see this information factored into crime data. He said that police collect the information, and they should be passing that data on to StatsCan if they aren't already.

He said that his proposed changes to the way StatsCan measures crime aren't meant to affect policy but to contribute to the discussion about the effectiveness of Canada's judicial system.

"We really don't need to be 'tough on crime' whatever that means, but we do need to be honest about it, so we can be smart about it," he said.

Mr. Comartin said that during the minority Parliament, the government resisted amendments the NDP proposed in committee to Bill C-4, Protecting the Public from Violent Young Offenders, and he doesn't see the situation improving now that it's a majority.

Bill C-4 amends the Youth Criminal Justice Act to treat young offenders more like their adult counterparts, and requires prosecutors to consider trying for adult sentences for teenagers between 14 and 17 who have been convicted of murder, manslaughter or aggravated sexual assault, among other changes.

Mr. Comartin said he thinks the bill is overreaching.

"The idea behind it was to target the young offenders out of control. In fact what it does it is, again by overreaching and taking too broad of an approach, is it's mostly missing those hardcore young offenders and catching the ones who would benefit by the normal approach we take to youth crime," he said.

Another bill causing the NDP concern is S-10, Penalties for Organized Drug Crime. Among other amendments, the bill would impose mandatory minimum prison sentences for drug trafficking. The bill was introduced in the Senate last December, marking the third time the Conservatives have tried to pass the bill.

"Any place in the world that you look where they've tried to combat a drug problem with that kind of legislation shows that it just doesn't work," said Mr. Comartin.

Speaking in the Senate Dec. 14, New Brunswick Conservative Senator John Wallace said it was "important to realize that Bill S-10 is not about applying mandatory minimum penalties for all drug crimes. It introduces targeted mandatory minimum penalties for serious drug crimes and ensures those who carry out these crimes will be appropriately penalized."

Liberal justice critic and former justice minister Irwin Cotler (Mont Royal, Que.) said that the crime policies are "all stick, no carrot." Mr. Cotler said that the mandatory minimums won't serve as a deterrent and will only end up "clogging up the criminal justice system." The omnibus bill will be a "test case" for government's willingness to work with the opposition, he said.

"They've got a majority and I think they could put that majority to effective use by cooperating with the opposition to produce the best type of legislation we can come up with, rather than seeking to ram the legislation through regardless of the evidence, regardless of the expertise, regardless of the opposition that is evidence-based," he said.

Mr. Comartin said however that the Conservatives will continue to instill fear in the Canadian public to ram the legislation through. "They've built so much on this. They've done well by it politically, they've convinced a lot of people in this country that we've got to get tougher on crime in spite of all the evidence to the contrary."

[email protected]

The Hill Times

http://hilltimes.com/page/printpage/crime-08-15-2011

---

Recommended:
Crunch the numbers: Crime rates are going down
Feb 22, 2011 - Globe and Mail
 
devilgoob

devilgoob

Active member
Veteran
What if you grew 340,000 plants?

Would you get more time for producing plants of low-quality?

It seems like they don't care about the quality the end-user could have potentially acquired.
 
Stranger

Stranger

Member
The prison complex already knows what it will take to get this rolling. They provided the guidance and probably wrote much of the legislation.

The pigs in Canada want to feast like they do in the USA.
 
B

Bombasquatch

New member
Well i heard justin turdeau with the liberals wants his buddy to fill the hersheys factory in glenns falls with medical pot. So how long can this conservative dictator continue this? And how will the next guy in line screw us more? I guess we'll see april 1st what happens when the laws change.
 
P

petepot

New member
Buds Bundy said:
They got busted with expired licenses and expired by quite a while.
Click to expand...
I read that the Supreme Court ruled a few years ago that Canadians have the right to grow Marijuana for Medical reasons, after that was when the Con's Govt came up with MMAR.
I don't remember the Case - maybe Matt Mernagh?
I believe the Court ruling means say you dont need to have a License from the Govt.

Anyways, if they can prove its for Medical need, even with an expired MMAR License, that
should get them off, if they get a decent Lawyer.
 
5

50State

Member
Anyone I meet said they will not stop growing (MMAR card holders) after April 1st. So I can see the cons gov locking up many MMAR card holders as of April 1st. I bet the raids are all planned and set to ensure compliance is met. Any have a link to the bill that's passed?
 
B

Buds Bundy

Member
50State said:
Anyone I meet said they will not stop growing (MMAR card holders) after April 1st. So I can see the cons gov locking up many MMAR card holders as of April 1st. I bet the raids are all planned and set to ensure compliance is met. Any have a link to the bill that's passed?
Click to expand...

The only raids that will happen are the ones where the growers is already a heat score and the cops know about them and if you let the city know what you where doing.

Even then they have to have proper info to get a warrant.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Latest posts

Top