What Do You Guys Think About This Pole Barn Plan? Would You Do Anything Different?

[MajorGrindage]

I recently bought a house with a pole barn, and am currently working with a builder to plan out how to convert it into a grow. I plan on starting with 24 plants. I made a post on here a little while ago about it that was very helpful, and i think i have finally come up with a plan, but im curious what you guys think.

The dimensions of the barn are 28'-10" x 39'-2 3/8". I have attached a picture below.

Im thinking i have decided that it sounds like 1 veg room, 2 flowers rooms, and 1 room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying is the best move.

Im curious if you guys think this is a good idea, and if there is anything you would personally do different. It will be me and 1 other person working the grow:

1. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 23.5 feet with 4 lights each and 12 plants in each room. HLG Scorpion Diablo Lights.
2. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 14.5 feet
3. 1 15 x 14 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Im very curious to see what you guys think. Is this a good use of the space, or would you do something different? Also, would you use more than just the 8 lights total for 24 plants?

Thank you!

Im not sure of the exact height of the barn, but hopefully you can kind of tell by this picture, the ceilings are fairly high.

 

[Creeperpark]

I recently bought a house with a pole barn, and am currently working with a builder to plan out how to convert it into a grow. I plan on starting with 24 plants. I made a post on here a little while ago about it that was very helpful, and i think i have finally come up with a plan, but im curious what you guys think.

The dimensions of the barn are 28'-10" x 39'-2 3/8". I have attached a picture below.

Im thinking i have decided that it sounds like 1 veg room, 2 flowers rooms, and 1 room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying is the best move.

Im curious if you guys think this is a good idea, and if there is anything you would personally do different. It will be me and 1 other person working the grow:

1. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 23.5 feet with 4 lights each and 12 plants in each room. HLG Scorpion Diablo Lights.
2. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 14.5 feet
3. 1 15 x 14 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Im very curious to see what you guys think. Is this a good use of the space, or would you do something different? Also, would you use more than just the 8 lights total for 24 plants?

Thank you! View attachment 18946953 View attachment 18946954 Im not sure of the exact height of the barn, but hopefully you can kind of tell by this picture, the ceilings are fairly high.

That should do the trick. Keep us posted when you get started.

 

[potty1]

Looks like you've done plenty of research..
I can feel growroom envy coming on
However...you are late to the party,its not as easy as it once was.
Obviously getting the rooms right is of vital importance but secondly you need to get a solid plan of action in place.
Do you grow the latest big names?are you gonna specialise in particular cultivars?
Where is the end product going? How can you build a solid reputation and quick.
The market is saturated with quality...what's gonna make you stand out?
Good luck with it all
Potty1

 

[Rocket Soul]

New thread about the same build out?

 

[Ca++]

The room dimensions could work. Do you have them drawn within the barn, with the doors and walkways sketched on

 

[MajorGrindage]

The room dimensions could work. Do you have them drawn within the barn, with the doors and walkways sketched on

I completely forgot about adding a walkway. Do you think i should make each room a little bit smaller than i planned in the original post, and add a walkway down the middle of the barn with doors to each room on either side.

Maybe instead of the original plan i would do:

1. A 3.5 foot wide walkway down the middle of the barn
2. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 21 feet with 4 lights each and 12 plants in each room. HLG Scorpion Diablo Lights.
3. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 12 feet
4. 1 15 x 12 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Is 3.5 feet a good width for the walkway you think?

Do you think this is a better idea than what i had in my original post?

I just need to send over my final plan to the builder im working with, and he can draw it all up with the doors/walkway and everything.

Thank you!

 

[MajorGrindage]

Looks like you've done plenty of research..
I can feel growroom envy coming on
However...you are late to the party,its not as easy as it once was.
Obviously getting the rooms right is of vital importance but secondly you need to get a solid plan of action in place.
Do you grow the latest big names?are you gonna specialise in particular cultivars?
Where is the end product going? How can you build a solid reputation and quick.
The market is saturated with quality...what's gonna make you stand out?
Good luck with it all
Potty1

I really appreciate it! My buddy and i have been think a lot about that. We are just gonna focus on bringing back some fire old school strains, we both love og's so definitely gonna hunt for some good Og's, and we have a ton of packs from csi humboldt and some from a local grower that sound insane.

Even if the plant is a terrible yielder, if its quality, were gonna keep it. Luckily were not worried about making any money right away, so were hoping our flower will speak for itself, even if it takes a while.

Thanks you for wishing me luck! Take care!

 

[MajorGrindage]

New thread about the same build out?

Yea lol same build. I had to take a break from working on it, and i just recently came up with what i think are the final plans, so i figured it couldnt hurt to run it by you guys another time.

 

[MajorGrindage]

That should do the trick. Keep us posted when you get started.

Awesome, i really appreciate it! I'll definitely be posting here a ton once i get started. Take care!

 

[Treetroit City]

Four lights is not much light for the size of the rooms. At most you will get good coverage of a 10x10 area.

 

[MajorGrindage]

Four lights is not much light for the size of the rooms. At most you will get good coverage of a 10x10 area.

I had a feeling that wasnt enough. Ive got a pretty decent budget for the grow, so i could get however many lights are necessary.

Is there an amount youd recommend? Maybe 8 of the HLG Scorpion Diablo's per room?

Also do you think adding a walk way down the middle of the barn and doing this instead of the original plan is a good idea? :

1. A 3.5 foot wide walkway down the middle of the barn
2. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 21 feet (With 8 HLG Scorpion Diablos each?)
3. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 12 feet
4. 1 15 x 12 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

I really appreciate it!

 

[Boob McNoob]

A few techniques from this gentleman might be feasible with your project.

 

[Dime]

I recently bought a house with a pole barn, and am currently working with a builder to plan out how to convert it into a grow. I plan on starting with 24 plants. I made a post on here a little while ago about it that was very helpful, and i think i have finally come up with a plan, but im curious what you guys think.

The dimensions of the barn are 28'-10" x 39'-2 3/8". I have attached a picture below.

Im thinking i have decided that it sounds like 1 veg room, 2 flowers rooms, and 1 room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying is the best move.

Im curious if you guys think this is a good idea, and if there is anything you would personally do different. It will be me and 1 other person working the grow:

1. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 23.5 feet with 4 lights each and 12 plants in each room. HLG Scorpion Diablo Lights.
2. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 14.5 feet
3. 1 15 x 14 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Im very curious to see what you guys think. Is this a good use of the space, or would you do something different? Also, would you use more than just the 8 lights total for 24 plants?

Thank you! View attachment 18946953 View attachment 18946954 Im not sure of the exact height of the barn, but hopefully you can kind of tell by this picture, the ceilings are fairly high.

Your flowering rooms are big enough to put 24 plants in one. Are you offsetting your grows or maybe using one room as a tester till you find what you like? I would grow the same strain in one room for simplicity plus you have predictable product you can count on. I would use constant drip without emitters again for simplicity although 24 plants can be hand watered in no time.If you are going to pheno hunt new strains you may need a bigger veg room than flowering. Build it so it can easily be altered ex: use screws and you can re-evaluate as you get better and have dealt with things you haven't thought of. If your growing for production keep them short and pack them in for single tops and a uniform product unless legalities are an issue and the most important thing is tell no one.

 

[MajorGrindage]

Your flowering rooms are big enough to put 24 plants in one. Are you offsetting your grows or maybe using one room as a tester till you find what you like? I would grow the same strain in one room for simplicity plus you have predictable product you can count on. I would use constant drip without emitters again for simplicity although 24 plants can be hand watered in no time.If you are going to pheno hunt new strains you may need a bigger veg room than flowering. Build it so it can easily be altered ex: use screws and you can re-evaluate as you get better and have dealt with things you haven't thought of. If your growing for production keep them short and pack them in for single tops and a uniform product unless legalities are an issue and the most important thing is tell no one.

Me and my buddy that im growing with are still beginner growers, so we are just doing 2 rooms with 12 plants for now until we feel confident enough to start growing more. I figured spreading the plants across 2 rooms would make it easier so we dont have to do all of the trimming and everything at once.

I really appreciate all of the info regarding irrigation and growing. Im gonna take note of everything you said and run it by my friend later this week. Building it so it can be easily altered is a great idea, and im gonna make sure we do that as much as possible.

Do you think 4 of the HLG scorpion diablo lights per room is good, or would you recommend more?

Also do you think adding a walk way down the middle of the barn, and making each room a little smaller, instead of the original plan is a good idea? :

1. A 3.5 foot wide walkway down the middle of the barn
2. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 21 feet (With 8 HLG Scorpion Diablos each?)
3. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 12 feet
4. 1 15 x 12 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Thank you for all of the help, its much appreciated!

 

[Dime]

Hi . I take it that is LED . I don't use them so I have no idea, but there are some great growers on here that may give their thoughts. You could always skip the walkway and just have a door go into the next room and gain some space,if you're growing big plants consider casters. Best of luck.

 

[MajorGrindage]

Hi . I take it that is LED . I don't use them so I have no idea, but there are some great growers on here that may give their thoughts. You could always skip the walkway and just have a door go into the next room and gain some space,if you're growing big plants consider casters. Best of luck.

Yea its LED, no worries. And that sounds like the move, ill stick with my original plan then for sure. I definitely want as much space as possible to grow if the walkway isnt necessary. And ill be sure to look into casters, because were definitely going to be growing decent sized plants.

Thanks again for all of the help!

 

[Ca++]

If you had a 15x21 room, how would you lay it out.
Some people would say 15x21=315 foot of plants.
I say it's not, because where do I stand.
I need to move about in this room, visiting each plant, and I can only reach 3 foot. While I need 2 foot wide lanes to move along.
Lets imagine we have a 15x21 greenhouse. The greenhouse door will be in the middle of the 15 foot wall. There will be a 3 foot isle down the middle. To each side, a 21x6 growing space. Each might be covered by 3 lights, that can do a 6x6 each. However, this room wouldn't actually work. 6x6 lights don't really exist, so you would have 12 lights doing 3x3 each, over each bed, is 24 lights per room. It is still rubbish though. A 6 foot deep bed, is too far to reach.
With a fresh canvas to work with, I would look at greenhouses (rooms) that are 10 foot wide, and as long as you like. This 10 foot width, is to accommodate a 3 foot isle up the middle, and a 3.5 foot deep bed, each side. That is a good reach, and a good size for lighting.

If you start putting these 10 foot rooms, side by side, the need to separate them with walls is questionable. With no wall between the 3 foot deeps beds of two rooms, you get a 6 foot deep bed, with an isle each side.
This scales up. So your basic room size is 10 foot wide. Or you have a 20 foot wide with two isles (your 21 foot) or a 30 foot wide with 3 isles. Just working in 10s, to get an isle and two plant areas you can reach.

So back to the 21 foot dimension. We are looking at two isles. The question is, do you join them (taking up floor space with the join) or do you have two doors. You will often see big greenhouses with lots of doors, so they go outside to change isles.


These are limiting dimensions, which need thinking about early in your plans. Though your vision of a working grow might not align with mine, there is only so far we can reach, and lights tend to be made to light a 3x3 or 4x4, so these are your grow space multiples.

You can turn this on it's head with rolling tables, or moving plants about as you crawl through watering a jungle by hand. If you go for two tiers of plants, the isle must accommodate your ladder/platform. Which will be moved about a lot. Each rooms tank, is nice outside the room. Better still if they are all grouped on a wet-room floor. The pipework length and location...

I could spend longer explaining all this, than just doing it for you. I feel that is perhaps what you need tbh. Someone to design this for you, as you seem to of stalled. Which is no surprise, trying to fit all this together, when you have not worked in such an environment before.

I'm in the wrong country entirely, but there might be someone near, who can come along with some sketches, and talk with your builder. Now is the time to get it right. You might want to cut service ducts into the floor. Most obviously for drainage, but if you have pipes spidering out from central tanks, they may be crossing traffic lanes. A good plan from the start is going to save so many problems later.

Is there water, and something more than a soakaway. There are so many questions

 

[Hiddenjems]

For production, rolling tables and some form of hydro are going to work best. You’re going to want to monocrop high plant counts to avoid any vegging in your flower space.

 

[MCGold]

I recently bought a house with a pole barn, and am currently working with a builder to plan out how to convert it into a grow. I plan on starting with 24 plants. I made a post on here a little while ago about it that was very helpful, and i think i have finally come up with a plan, but im curious what you guys think.

The dimensions of the barn are 28'-10" x 39'-2 3/8". I have attached a picture below.

Im thinking i have decided that it sounds like 1 veg room, 2 flowers rooms, and 1 room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying is the best move.

Im curious if you guys think this is a good idea, and if there is anything you would personally do different. It will be me and 1 other person working the grow:

1. 2 flower rooms that are both 15 x 23.5 feet with 4 lights each and 12 plants in each room. HLG Scorpion Diablo Lights.
2. 1 veg room that will be 15 x 14.5 feet
3. 1 15 x 14 foot room for storage/reservoir/irrigation and trimming/drying

Im very curious to see what you guys think. Is this a good use of the space, or would you do something different? Also, would you use more than just the 8 lights total for 24 plants?

Thank you! View attachment 18946953 View attachment 18946954 Im not sure of the exact height of the barn, but hopefully you can kind of tell by this picture, the ceilings are fairly high.

Do not forget to get some quality insulation. A stable temperature and humidity goes a long way. Happy growing!

 

[Hasch]

If you had a 15x21 room, how would you lay it out.
Some people would say 15x21=315 foot of plants.
I say it's not, because where do I stand.
I need to move about in this room, visiting each plant, and I can only reach 3 foot. While I need 2 foot wide lanes to move along.
Lets imagine we have a 15x21 greenhouse. The greenhouse door will be in the middle of the 15 foot wall. There will be a 3 foot isle down the middle. To each side, a 21x6 growing space. Each might be covered by 3 lights, that can do a 6x6 each. However, this room wouldn't actually work. 6x6 lights don't really exist, so you would have 12 lights doing 3x3 each, over each bed, is 24 lights per room. It is still rubbish though. A 6 foot deep bed, is too far to reach.
With a fresh canvas to work with, I would look at greenhouses (rooms) that are 10 foot wide, and as long as you like. This 10 foot width, is to accommodate a 3 foot isle up the middle, and a 3.5 foot deep bed, each side. That is a good reach, and a good size for lighting.

If you start putting these 10 foot rooms, side by side, the need to separate them with walls is questionable. With no wall between the 3 foot deeps beds of two rooms, you get a 6 foot deep bed, with an isle each side.
This scales up. So your basic room size is 10 foot wide. Or you have a 20 foot wide with two isles (your 21 foot) or a 30 foot wide with 3 isles. Just working in 10s, to get an isle and two plant areas you can reach.

So back to the 21 foot dimension. We are looking at two isles. The question is, do you join them (taking up floor space with the join) or do you have two doors. You will often see big greenhouses with lots of doors, so they go outside to change isles.


These are limiting dimensions, which need thinking about early in your plans. Though your vision of a working grow might not align with mine, there is only so far we can reach, and lights tend to be made to light a 3x3 or 4x4, so these are your grow space multiples.

You can turn this on it's head with rolling tables, or moving plants about as you crawl through watering a jungle by hand. If you go for two tiers of plants, the isle must accommodate your ladder/platform. Which will be moved about a lot. Each rooms tank, is nice outside the room. Better still if they are all grouped on a wet-room floor. The pipework length and location...

I could spend longer explaining all this, than just doing it for you. I feel that is perhaps what you need tbh. Someone to design this for you, as you seem to of stalled. Which is no surprise, trying to fit all this together, when you have not worked in such an environment before.

I'm in the wrong country entirely, but there might be someone near, who can come along with some sketches, and talk with your builder. Now is the time to get it right. You might want to cut service ducts into the floor. Most obviously for drainage, but if you have pipes spidering out from central tanks, they may be crossing traffic lanes. A good plan from the start is going to save so many problems later.

Is there water, and something more than a soakaway. There are so many questions

Well put imho

I would strongly advise to take at least some of his suggestions to heart!

Do not forget to get some quality insulation. A stable temperature and humidity goes a long way. Happy growing!

Yeah!
What are the expected temps + humidity in that area?
Good VPD really lets one boost plant growth and production.

AC, dehumidifiers, heating etc...