RanchoDeluxe
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Hey Neo, Don't bust his balls too much over Clonex. I was using it as little as 3 crops ago. Ain't organic. Honestly, aloe/protekt/fulvic works much, much better.
Maybe we can get Trich to give it a try?
RD
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What Bottles do you use in ROLS?
- Thread starter VerdantGreen
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Hey Neo, Don't bust his balls too much over Clonex. I was using it as little as 3 crops ago. Ain't organic. Honestly, aloe/protekt/fulvic works much, much better.
Maybe we can get Trich to give it a try?
RD
I'm not in soil, well, actually I am now on the side, but I do like using natural additives alongside my mineral nutrition.
Ful power, great white, actinovate, and vitazyme
so far I'm loving vitazyme and biomin calcium foliars.
http://www.plantdesigns.com/vitazyme/product_information
http://jhbiotech.com/product-labels/wa/biomin-calcium-wa.pdf
Ful power, great white, actinovate, and vitazyme
so far I'm loving vitazyme and biomin calcium foliars.
http://www.plantdesigns.com/vitazyme/product_information
http://jhbiotech.com/product-labels/wa/biomin-calcium-wa.pdf
FunTimesIndeed
Member
I use it as a piece of Microbemans' ACT formula.
G
greenmatter
pretty sure it's MM that says the hydrolysate is a great food for our microbial friends. i use it in ACT's mostly, and one of the side effects is the oils keeping the foam down ,which i like ..... less to clean up
a bottle lasts me forever
thanks for the responses.. seems like protekt is pretty universally used.
i'll have to see if that is available in the UK
VG
i'll have to see if that is available in the UK
VG
only up to step one,the soil is mixed up...planning on letting it sit for 3-4 months before i even try to use it...
molasses, neptune's seaweed and fish, organic gem fish hydrolysate, neem oil, and pro-tekt silica is my main used bottle.
FunTimesIndeed
Member
Once in a while a bottle of molasses for ACT.... I have an old Neptune's Harvest bottle that I mix my Agsil16 in,an old Dyna-gro pro-tekt bottle I mix my bug spray solutions in,a bottle of raw neem seed oil,and a bottle of Ecosmart concentrate.
I have a bottle of beer in there once in a while....
I have a bottle of beer in there once in a while....
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BlueJayWay
Karanja oil mofos
I have the ussual suspects, that fit nice into a old milk crate, plus a bunch of kitty litter bottles with homemade fermented plant exracts in them. There slightly over two gallons and great for storing extracts in. I have some stashed in our new house (to keep from freezing) that the wife does not know about and they don't even leak smell, praise the ganja gods for that! scrappy
bumping this.
verdant, I love your posts
and to be honest I quit organics for a long while, as the mentality is far worse then the "damage" of salts.. it's like my wife's dad use to say, hippies are far worse then businessmen.. it's all about the attitude... see and I'll prove it right here. who would you rather be around all day for the rest of your life. someone with a bad attitude, or someone with a relaxed attitude...
I just think everyone's got to change there idea of "organic". this isn't the 1800's anymore. we all live in houses with running water / pluming / heating / cooling / washer / dryer ........ were far from "living off the land" .. I will admit there's a few, and if they want to gloat about it, I guess go ahead.
bottle.. bag.. there all the same. if you want to trick yourself into thinking your far better then the guy who visits the hydro store, well play all the tricks you want, but deep down visiting the "farm store" is the same as a hydro store. stuff is sold and transacted, making them the same thing when you break it down.
honestly, I think it's why more people don't grow "organic" or even want to. the idea is there, but the follow through puts people off when anyone gets blasted for not having there own worm bin.. making FPE.. having compost bins..making teas...
honestly these are actually harder then dosing a liquid into your water container.. I found going to salts actually more relaxing, more simple, more easy, more fun, more enjoyment..
I just find everything silly. as to think your way is the right way is wrong.. it's, that way works for you.. if you want clones of everyone doing the same thing, I think it would get a little boring going outside to see everyone driving the same car...
when you get to a certain point, you realize it's all needed. your definitions change though-out your life, views are seen in different ways, experiences make you think / see things different..... that's my take anyways. the only way one rots is through repetition, change is always needed.
adventure = nature = something new every time
anyone who has a thing against a bottle, is someone who's deep down insecure ( all you who fit this, ask yourself honestly, insecure about what.. I won't spoil your fun ). it's funny, the "purists" attack the bottles. but who are the bottle users attacking...?
I commend anyone using bottles, and to say, use them more!
attacking a person who uses bottles. attacking for what !!! ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ask yourself that
well, I'm sure some people now only have to mention price, so go ahead, as you always have to have the last word, so go ahead I won't stop you.. I'll be off to do what I do.
it's funny , I haven't seen some of the BIG players posting in here. hmmmmm, could they be insecure, no way........... there "true organic" ......... hahahahahahaha
and to be honest I quit organics for a long while, as the mentality is far worse then the "damage" of salts.. it's like my wife's dad use to say, hippies are far worse then businessmen.. it's all about the attitude... see and I'll prove it right here. who would you rather be around all day for the rest of your life. someone with a bad attitude, or someone with a relaxed attitude...
I just think everyone's got to change there idea of "organic". this isn't the 1800's anymore. we all live in houses with running water / pluming / heating / cooling / washer / dryer ........ were far from "living off the land" .. I will admit there's a few, and if they want to gloat about it, I guess go ahead.
bottle.. bag.. there all the same. if you want to trick yourself into thinking your far better then the guy who visits the hydro store, well play all the tricks you want, but deep down visiting the "farm store" is the same as a hydro store. stuff is sold and transacted, making them the same thing when you break it down.
honestly, I think it's why more people don't grow "organic" or even want to. the idea is there, but the follow through puts people off when anyone gets blasted for not having there own worm bin.. making FPE.. having compost bins..making teas...
honestly these are actually harder then dosing a liquid into your water container.. I found going to salts actually more relaxing, more simple, more easy, more fun, more enjoyment..
I just find everything silly. as to think your way is the right way is wrong.. it's, that way works for you.. if you want clones of everyone doing the same thing, I think it would get a little boring going outside to see everyone driving the same car...
when you get to a certain point, you realize it's all needed. your definitions change though-out your life, views are seen in different ways, experiences make you think / see things different..... that's my take anyways. the only way one rots is through repetition, change is always needed.
adventure = nature = something new every time
anyone who has a thing against a bottle, is someone who's deep down insecure ( all you who fit this, ask yourself honestly, insecure about what.. I won't spoil your fun ). it's funny, the "purists" attack the bottles. but who are the bottle users attacking...?
I commend anyone using bottles, and to say, use them more!
attacking a person who uses bottles. attacking for what !!! ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ask yourself that
well, I'm sure some people now only have to mention price, so go ahead, as you always have to have the last word, so go ahead I won't stop you.. I'll be off to do what I do.
it's funny , I haven't seen some of the BIG players posting in here. hmmmmm, could they be insecure, no way........... there "true organic" ......... hahahahahahaha
nice habeeb
I didn't see many attacking people here but lets not get sour & misled over bias opinions twisting environmental ethics with defining organic growing..
aiming to recycle and reusing instead of dumping, burning or buying new, putting effort to choose locally available material & letting life flourish;
isn't the strongest influence in the canna community so don't take what little you see hear on the web as gospel
FWIW
the BIG ROLS players use bottles & purchase products
kelp, neem, fulvic acids, molasses, rock dust, compost/casting etc
from my understanding they even go out the way & discuss in detail on how to better source products so I think much of what was said is a bit misleading
none the less
" The search for environmental ethics, in the conventional modern sense, seems wrong-headed and fruitless … [Some] think“environmental ethics can be as tough, practical, rational and secular as prevailing Western ethics.” I find this neither desirable nor necessary, and perhaps not possible. …
The search … is not for environmental ethics but for ecological consciousness.
The attempt to solve these ecophilosophical problems on purely logical or conceptual grounds is to fail to realize that this approach is itself part of the old paradigm which needs to be replaced "
— George Sessions
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/pdfs/Organic-Gardening-Guidelines-2010.pdf
I didn't see many attacking people here but lets not get sour & misled over bias opinions twisting environmental ethics with defining organic growing..
aiming to recycle and reusing instead of dumping, burning or buying new, putting effort to choose locally available material & letting life flourish;
isn't the strongest influence in the canna community so don't take what little you see hear on the web as gospel
FWIW
the BIG ROLS players use bottles & purchase products
kelp, neem, fulvic acids, molasses, rock dust, compost/casting etc
from my understanding they even go out the way & discuss in detail on how to better source products so I think much of what was said is a bit misleading
none the less
" The search for environmental ethics, in the conventional modern sense, seems wrong-headed and fruitless … [Some] think“environmental ethics can be as tough, practical, rational and secular as prevailing Western ethics.” I find this neither desirable nor necessary, and perhaps not possible. …
The search … is not for environmental ethics but for ecological consciousness.
The attempt to solve these ecophilosophical problems on purely logical or conceptual grounds is to fail to realize that this approach is itself part of the old paradigm which needs to be replaced "
— George Sessions
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/pdfs/Organic-Gardening-Guidelines-2010.pdf
