War

[Cannavore]

I have to say, no ones solutions, diplomatically speaking, feel like good solutions.

This whole region is destabilized and only seem to be getting worse due to the failed experiment of nation building and the numerous failed attempts at peaceful negotiations.

The past had important details regarding the history of what happened but can either side ever move on from it?

More than one thing can hold true at once. The Israelis are not denouncing this war and seem to be in popular support of it. On the other end, the Palestinians and other Islamic groups will not denounce Hamas and seem to support their actions and charter.

No wonder peace is impossible. There are two groups of very stubborn people, no one will compromise. However, one side is clearly more powerful than the other.

I think both sides are guilty of lies and manipulation.

The only way for this to stop would be for the larger nations, with their influence, like the US and Iran, to negotiate a resolution for these two groups that are incapable of negotiating one for themselves, and hold them accountable. That is really unlikely to happen so I fully expect this conflict to balloon at some point into a larger and more devastating war.

The only reason hamas exists is because of the actions taken by Zionist terrorists. Everything that's happening has a legitimate starting point and it was started by the Zionists lol.

Why would people stuck in a concentration camp all their lives denounce hamas? The number one Hamas recruiter is Israel. You can't execute entire families while locking them in a blockade their entire lives and not expect retaliation.

The solution is simple. Like apartheid South Africa, this regime and state must fall and everyone involved including western governments and media need to be prosecuted (which is never going to happen as long as the US exists).

 

[Cannavore]

United Nations cuts estimates of women, children deaths in Gaza war in half​

USA TODAY

WASHINGTON ― The United Nations reduced estimates for the number of women and children killed during Israel's war in Gaza by nearly half, inviting new scrutiny for figures that come from the militant group Hamas.

Of the 34,735 people who have died in Gaza since the war began, according to data published May 6 by the UN, more than 9,500 were women and more than 14,500 were children.

But in updated data published two days later on May 8, the UN significantly reduced the figures to 4,959 women and 7,797 children among the 34,844 people reportedly killed in Gaza.

The UN cites data from the Gaza Ministry of Health, controlled by Hamas, to produce casualty figures. The UN reports come with a disclaimer that says, "The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures."

In a statement to USA TODAY, UN spokeswoman Eri Kaneko said the Gaza Ministry of Health's overall number of fatalities remain unchanged and cited the ministry's April 30 update on the breakdown of the 24,686 fatalities for whom the ministry has complete details.

"According to the Ministry, the fatalities for whom full details have been documented include 7,797 children, 4,959 women, 1,924 elderly, and 10,006 men," Kaneko said. "The Ministry of Health notes that the documentation process of casualties’ full identification details is ongoing"

The updated UN breakdown of casualties does not include more than 10,000 people who the Gaza Ministry of Health considers "missing or under the rubble" in Gaza.

Last month, the Gazan Health Ministry said through its Telegram channel it had incomplete data for 11,371 fatalities it claimed to have documented. A record is considered incomplete if an individual's identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death is missing, the ministry noted in the report.

Kaneko said UN teams in Gaza have been unable to independently verify the figures because of "the prevailing situation on the ground and the sheer number of fatalities."

"For this reason, all figures used by the UN clearly cite the Ministry of Health in Gaza as the source," she said. "The UN will verify these figures to the extent possible when conditions permit."
The revised estimates were first reported by the Jerusalem Post.

After expressing initial skepticism last year about the accuracy of figures provided by Hamas, President Joe Biden in recent months started to cite death figures from the Gaza Ministry of Health, including during his March State of the Union address to Congress.

Israeli officials have long disputed the death figures reported by Hamas including the share of women and children killed during the war. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said more 13,000 Hamas "terrorists" have been among the Palestinians killed in Gaza since the war began Oct. 7.

"Hamas wants the world to believe that the main casualties and fatalities have been women and children, an argument almost universally accepted until very recently," Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the think-tank Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in a blog post.

"Now even the UN, or one part of the UN, silently acknowledges that it blindly accepted Hamas numbers meant to mislead," said Abrams, former deputy national security adviser for President George W. Bush.
According to the UN's latest figures, 40% of casualties in Gaza have been men, 32% children, 20% women and 8% elderly.

United Nations cuts estimates of women, children deaths in Gaza war in half

The United Nations reduced by half the number of women and children estimated to have been killed during Israel's war in Gaza.

www.usatoday.com

 

[moose eater]

The only reason hamas exists is because of the actions taken by Zionist terrorists. Everything that's happening has a legitimate starting point and it was started by the Zionists lol.

Why would people stuck in a concentration camp all their lives denounce hamas? The number one Hamas recruiter is Israel. You can't execute entire families while locking them in a blockade their entire lives and not expect retaliation.

The solution is simple. Like apartheid South Africa, this regime and state must fall and everyone involved including western governments and media need to be prosecuted (which is never going to happen as long as the US exists).

Yep.

 

[Cannavore]

 

[moose eater]

THIS!!!!!!!!!

 

[moose eater]

I knew the worker wasn't the only one killed by IDF.

It was the circumstances in this case, a vehicle clearly marked with UN insignias, and the bullet holes in the -back- window of the vehicle, that tell a noteworthy story.

 

[GenghisKush]

people stuck in a concentration camp

This isn't a concentration camp.

 

[moose eater]

 

[Cannavore]

This isn't a concentration camp.

under what definition? because under international law and the rome statute, yeah it can be defined as such. loosely sure because i don't think there are forced labor camps in gaza but nonetheless it's still the largest interment camp to as far as i'm aware to ever exist.

Gazans are held against their will in a fenced in area that is the most overcrowded overpopulated unemployed place on earth that is occupied by a foreign army that controls the points of entry and exit, and controls everything that goes on within including limiting their diets. These are civilian refugee descendents of the 1948 ethnic cleansing being held against their will without trial or due process simply for being Palestinian.

The West Bank is also under illegal occupation where Hamas does not operate.

The settlements are illegal, the occupations are illegal, the ethnic cleansing and apartheid is illegal. Israel has no ground to stand on.

 

[audiohi]

I knew the worker wasn't the only one killed by IDF.

It was the circumstances in this case, a vehicle clearly marked with UN insignias, and the bullet holes in the -back- window of the vehicle, that tell a noteworthy story.

I know that you know.

The shredding of the UN charter for all to see while it's happening was the story I wanted to highlight

 

[Cannavore]

my good homeboy and stable genius chat gpt told me this;

sounds like it could be applied to Gaza to me

 

[GenghisKush]

my good homeboy and stable genius chat gpt told me this;

sounds like it could be applied to Gaza to me


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This is your problem, guy: You can't be bothered to reason for yourself, so you outsource it.

This is precisely what has led you to the laughable argument that obscene luxury and wealth and refinement is, in fact, a concentration camp.

Please, continue beclowning yourself. Don't let me stop you.

Hamas needs you.

 

[moose eater]

I know that you know.

The shredding of the UN charter for all to see while it's happening was the story I wanted to highlight

Yep, Bibi only cares about the law as he sees or ignores it, from his blindered position as a serial mass murderer.

 

[Cannavore]

damn right im gonna "outsource" it to abide by international law and the geneva conventions lol

 

[moose eater]

my good homeboy and stable genius chat gpt told me this;

sounds like it could be applied to Gaza to me


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Yep, universally accepted definitions add clarity to what's happening.

Despite those whose strategy involves well honed deflection based in hypocrisy and astounding levels of lack of insight into themselves... with hefty does of disingenuousness and/or intellectual dishonesty

 

[GenghisKush]

Yep, universally accepted definitions add clarity to what's happening.

Despite those whose strategy involves well honed deflection based in hypocrisy and astounding levels of lack of insight into themselves... with hefty does of disingenuousness and/or intellectual dishonesty

Moose, your self-aggrandizing wears thin.
Cannavore: transcripts from your interaction with a chatbot is not reasoning, nor is it jurisprudence.

 

[shiva82]

Moose, your self-aggrandizing wears thin.
Cannavore: transcripts from your interaction with a chatbot is not reasoning, nor is it jurisprudence.

genghis , 9-11 was committed by israel mossad , the king david hotel was also israel mossad , the staged attack was israel mossad, and hamas are controlled by isrfael mossad. that is just a few basic well known examples .

stop acting ignorant . you know this, the world knows this apart from a few that follow narratives

 

[moose eater]

Moose, your self-aggrandizing wears thin.
Cannavore: transcripts from your interaction with a chatbot is not reasoning, nor is it jurisprudence.

Self-aggrandizing now morphed from intolerance for disingenuous bullshit, but I can see how someone who abides by your ethics and 'insights' might come to such conclusions.

You're neither as insightful, bright, or fair-minded as you pretend. Talk about 'wearing thin.'

 

[Cannavore]

okay, you skipped over this post that didn't use a chatbot though:





under what definition? because under international law and the rome statute, yeah it can be defined as such. loosely sure because i don't think there are forced labor camps in gaza but nonetheless it's still the largest interment camp to as far as i'm aware to ever exist.

Gazans are held against their will in a fenced in area that is the most overcrowded overpopulated unemployed place on earth that is occupied by a foreign army that controls the points of entry and exit, and controls everything that goes on within including limiting their diets. These are civilian refugee descendents of the 1948 ethnic cleansing being held against their will without trial or due process simply for being Palestinian.

The West Bank is also under illegal occupation where Hamas does not operate.

The settlements are illegal, the occupations are illegal, the ethnic cleansing and apartheid is illegal. Israel has no ground to stand on.

They are breaching articles 6, 7, 8 of the Rome Statute

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/icc-statute-1998?activeTab=undefined

 

[moose eater]

okay, you skipped over this post that didn't use a chatbot though:





under what definition? because under international law and the rome statute, yeah it can be defined as such. loosely sure because i don't think there are forced labor camps in gaza but nonetheless it's still the largest interment camp to as far as i'm aware to ever exist.

Gazans are held against their will in a fenced in area that is the most overcrowded overpopulated unemployed place on earth that is occupied by a foreign army that controls the points of entry and exit, and controls everything that goes on within including limiting their diets. These are civilian refugee descendents of the 1948 ethnic cleansing being held against their will without trial or due process simply for being Palestinian.

The West Bank is also under illegal occupation where Hamas does not operate.

The settlements are illegal, the occupations are illegal, the ethnic cleansing and apartheid is illegal. Israel has no ground to stand on.

They are breaching articles 6, 7, 8 of the Rome Statute

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/icc-statute-1998?activeTab=undefined

But... but... OUTSOURCING!!!!

(*Every reference to any law involves 'outsourcing').